Mini 1699 - #swag wars: THE empire strikes back (swaggedout)

[Soft-spoken]

I also entirely disagree that claiming something like bulletproof would suffice for a potential implo-SK in this situation. that's an entirely null claim and so it would do absolutely nothing to allow him to escape the lynch

it would cator to the people who intuitively knew that the kill wasnt made by mafia. but i relent. its pretty irrelevant at this point because SK's aren't compulsive by nature here. woudlnt you rather take a stab at mafia? especially knowing that if he is SK he needs to kill mafia if we miss?

[pieguyn]

I'm pretty sure SK attempts to shoot town if we lynch town today? it's usually better to reduce town as fast as possible (and it's what I would do if I was SK in that situation, especially if I had any form of bulletproof).

there is also that eliminating SK from the game *now* ensures in the worst case scenario we at least get one more mislynch to play with

I might be getting this backwards, though.

[Wickedestjr]

Geesh seven more pages? You guys are just messing with me because I'm V/LA...

I skimmed through and saw implosion's claim. I don't want to lynch a vig/SK today. Will catch up later and think about where I want my vote.

[Soft-spoken]

Pie, SK cant win with mafia. they need to kill each other to win. if mafias numbers arnt reduced in the near future, winning as SK becomes impossible. not only would an SK gun for mafia, but mafia has a decent chance of wanting to kill implo due to not knowing if he is vig or SK and not having any reason (like a strong PR claim) to do anything else.

[Soft-spoken]

of course, there is always the possibility that implo is mafia doing nothing other than buying a day with a claim like that.

[RedCoyote]

no wonder yall have a hydra. its like im trying to figure out an inside joke.

now you know how i feel 24/7

[Empire]

DAY 2, VOTECOUNT 15

Nachomamma8 (3)

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Wickedestjr, implosion, Boonskiies

implosion (2)

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pieguyn, RedCoyote

Boonskiies (1)

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Nachomamma8

Soft-spoken (1)

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Vinkah

RedCoyote (1)

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Soft-spoken

Not Voting (3)

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Tammy, notscience, fferyllt

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch! Deadline is on August 13th at 3AM EST or in (expired on 2015-08-13 03:03:09).

Mod Notes - Wickedestjr is V/LA from the 8th to the 12th.

[RedCoyote]

Just because notscience does a "reaction test" doesn't make him town, fyi.

Who even does reaction tests anymore? what is this 2010?

[RedCoyote]

UNVOTE: implosion

If implosion is truly only 2-shot, I guess we'll find that out soon enough. He's using his next shot tonight?

[implosion]

Most people have told me not to, so as of now I'm not planning to. If people want me to use it (either on a pre-determined target or on a target of my choice or if you want to restrict me to a set of people, etc) I'm open to whatever.

[RedCoyote]

I don't want to vote Nacho... :/ Tammy and Vinkah are much better lynches than Nacho.

VOTE: Vinkah

Someone join me for real this time.

[RedCoyote]

Most people have told me not to, so as of now I'm not planning to. If people want me to use it (either on a pre-determined target or on a target of my choice or if you want to restrict me to a set of people, etc) I'm open to whatever.

If you don't then how can we rule out an SK? Just shoot notscience. Tell them I made you do it.

[RedCoyote]

It's potentially notable that Nacho was the third spot on both my wagon and the eventual Anen lynch wagon.

Agreed.

Why?

Why is it notable? Because you keep moving your vote.

you said I wasn't reading you, which is a cryptic way of implying that you had soft-claimed prior to that post.

And what makes you say that?

That was my interpretation of it. Let me put it another way, if ns was really just "reaction testing", why wasn't he blunt about that after the test was over? Why did he wait until after a vig claimed to be straight about it? What did he even gain from this so-called "reaction test"? These are the questions I am asking.

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when RC and notsci are interacting it feels like tvs, but that might just be me confbiasing

big whoop, you're townreading everyone except me anyway

P edit 2. i was thinking the same thing nacho. if hes SK we have him by the balls already. if hes not then we save ourselves a PR lynch.

This "use the SK to our advantage" crap always ends up backfiring.

[Tammy]

I don't want to vote Nacho... :/ Tammy and Vinkah are much better lynches than Nacho.

VOTE: Vinkah

Someone join me for real this time.

You wound me. I'm a terrible lynch.

~~~

Super tired airport catchup enacted.

I'm not interested in lynching implosion. I'd rather use the next couple days to use Implosion's other shot whether it be SK or Vig shot as a second lynch. Or just for Implosion to shoot his top scum read.

In some sense it makes sense if Implosion is an SK because that would explain why it's so damn difficult to get a scum read here, but I also don't have a problem with Implosion's explanations for his shot.

Pie - Did you stop believing that you can leash SKs?

I thought I had another question or something to respond to.

I might be interested in voting Vinkah, but I'm hesitating there on the strength of ferry's town read. Maybe not science or boon which yeah I'm not sure why that looked so town?

Oh yeah, I remember. Boon - Your read on me in which you addressed me by a nickname and all caps has a feel of familiarity with me though we've never played a game together I don't think. Feels weird.

[fferyllt]

I'm not as sure about it being a town reaction from Boonskiies either on reflection.

I'm starting to hate this game.

Vinkah is way off his timeline for getting back to this game and deadline is looming in a very chancy feeling late-day.

[Tammy]

heh I felt just a little better about it upon re-reading it. I might have been looking for good in it.

There's a little tiny thing I have with Vinkah and it's how much he's kinda overexplained his absences today. This is kinda player dependent but it also feels a bit weird.

[Tammy]

What is your read on Nacho from his most recent catchup?

The one thing that has me a little worried is his tone, but that could also be his grumpiness over being sick seeping through.

[RedCoyote]

Okay, I don't want to lynch Tammy anymore.

That was just a test? A reaction test, if you will. Lol, jk.

I dunno, I guess I could do Nacho. Something tells me he'd be more eager to be aggressive as scum in this game though. I don't get that sense from him here. Like, let me put it another way, it seems like there's this wide opening for a town leader in this game, and no one is filling that void. Perhaps scumNacho would.

[fferyllt]

What is your read on Nacho from his most recent catchup?

The one thing that has me a little worried is his tone, but that could also be his grumpiness over being sick seeping through.

his tone has been bothering me all game. I think it's life, though, and the bother has been less over time.

If this game has day chat then my concerns about nacho would rise based on his trajectory re boonskiies. In ny 169 we had masons who were able to confirm day chat was probably a thing, though I don't remember day chat assumptions pointing up potential scum there.

The point about the leadership vacuum in this game is a valid one. scum nacho would probably have filled it, at least at the tactical moments.

[fferyllt]

Pie - Did you stop believing that you can leash SKs?

This is a good question.

[Vinkah]

yeah, work. i really cant even summon the energy to keep up with this game which sucks because this playerlist. but here's where im at pretty much at the moment.

Wickedestjr - thoughts have been very genuine and transparent. he's playing very analytical and assessing situations.
fferyllt - thought the RVS was very Town. have been paranoid of her, but recent few days have shown the initiative/drive i've been looking for.
implosion - his thoughts/feelings pretty much mirrored mine all D1. i know this is fine line considering SK discussion, but i've liked him as Town pretty much all game.
Tammy - straight gut check here.

everyone else is a wash. i have SS and Nacho in a seperate tier from everyone else due to some of the Town reads from my Town reads and some of the interactions ive read (specifically between ffery and these two).

Soft-spoken
Nachomamma8

RedCoyote
notscience
Boonskiies
pieguyn

pretty much means i would be willing to vote any of the last four players.

unvote;

i'm off to work again shortly. i -actually- have a day off tomorrow. so if i don't summon the energy to do this tomorrow i'm just going to replace.

[pieguyn]

Pie - Did you stop believing that you can leash SKs?

in a large game, hell yes

in a mini game, hell no - there is not enough room for error to be able to leash one and not risk having it come back to bite you in the ass (ex: I've seen a fair amount of 9-3-1 setups that have been fucked because town mislynched D1 and no crosskills happened). I probably would have considered it if it was D1, though. in either case, I would want to lynch it before expected LYLO, which worst-case scenario would be today anyway.

[pieguyn]

vote: Boon

[notscience]

The point about the leadership vacuum in this game is a valid one. scum nacho would probably have filled it, at least at the tactical moments.

But he hasn't been around so much that he could even take this position.

[notscience]

Like I fully see your point and I think it also stems from the fact that noone in this playerlist sans you, pie, or nacho would be people I could see as orchestrating a leadership position but while you are trying to do things yes, the other two notsomuch and pie is going to yell at me because hse has been doing things but not full on taking a leadership role is my point!