Mini 1706 - Pula Mafia (over)

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VOTE: Scorpoious

The son of Draco and Astoria has to be up to something!

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Also flavor is cool.

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Elu has posted and hasn't asked rqs. Scum?

I actually don't want to do RQS questions, all people don't answer them then I say naughty thing to the ones who don't

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Grib, you should know by now I'm always town

Bella, as per request.

These RQS questions are not for any purpose but a bit of socialization and friendliness. Town would probably answer them out of love, kindness and because town is beautiful in nature.

1. Sweet or salty?
2. Favorite word of all time?
3. Who have you played with before and describe them in one word.
4. Link to the most recent complete town or scum game

Thank you

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I'm just going to say that I don't really understand the VC and so many numbers and things confuse me so I will wait for someone with magic number skills to point out where I should look or what the key to all this is.

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Sugar and spice.

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Me 2.


Hi Atum, Bella, Grib, Mala

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Catboi grib has a bunch of exp with me tbh so the early read on me doesnt bother me that much

I gathered as much, it just doesn't really matter because there's no way hose reads come that quickly from a legitimate thought process, whereas they would come quick from someone looking to get their foot in the door and seem town

Actually...when you play a lot with certain people and they are devious then you can figure that out. Maybe. So, I want to know why you claimed miller with no pressure. What is the thought process? Where\when has this strategy been useful? Why?

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I'm afraid to vote because I can't read the new VC. So what should I look at in it to understand whether I'm doing something dangerous or not?

It's been fixed ages ago. Also, you could've been my co-mod, shame on you.

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Elusive have you ever played with a miller before??

Mala, no I have never played with a miller as described on the MafiaWiki. In the one game I replaced into that I didn't read the hundreds of pages because boring, there was talk of millers and blah blah but no one claimed it the way catboi has.

I'm just wondering why catboi would claim. For example if I had a negative utility role (if Miller here means gets a guilty from the Cop) then I would 1. not out my role and instead fake crumb cop to protect the real cop and 2. dance on the rooftops to goad scum into trying to NK me again to protect power roles.

So now I'm figuring out why the self-preservationy play if this is town or if this is scum then? I mean obviously if catboi doesn't flip soon then what? I'm not sure. It's like a player claiming Vanilla, its pointless and annoying since it narrows the pool for scum NKs. Don't do it.

I'm afraid to vote because I can't read the new VC. So what should I look at in it to understand whether I'm doing something dangerous or not?

It's been fixed ages ago. Also, you could've been my co-mod, shame on you.

I'm playing in the game, amn't I! And

Spoiler:

I invited these other people that I like playing with Idk, elusive as a Mod would be weird, I don't have much incentive to do boring things, I can't do numbers well and having to count things frustrates me, and also idk if I modded a game it would the rules would be:

1. Play to your wincon, do whatever it takes.
2. There are no other rules because rules are meant for those who lack the conviction to think for themselves. Don't be a crybaby about rules and grow a pair.

Probably my modding would not be approved on this site :O

VOTE: Catboi

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Grib, I want to know why he claimed and answers to my questions. I don't see how claiming is good for town so unless someone can explain that then yeah.

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Oh look what a peaceful game, no drama. Death must be like this.

Anyway, did a quick reread.

Lalendra, where is your vote and why?

1. salty
2. eloquent
3. Mala - slinky
Atum - mysterious
Grib - Gribblypuff
4. My Wiki's up to date, yo.

VOTE: superbowl9
Umm..we have like 8 day deadlines and you think what 5 pages is a lot? It's nothing. Now, 40 pages at this point might be a lot. 20 would be decent.

GrayFoxxx, you don't find anything scummy? For realz? Hmm... Why are you voting me again?

I'm assuming if I were Miller I'd probably soft claim through like, "My Immortal Lady Love Emulates Roses" and then yell at scum to rile them up. Alas.

Scorpius, something.

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I don't mind the flavor. I'd probably not put in in player posts but flavor is slightly scary and interesting. The Mod has a way with words.

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OH and Bella's avatar makes me happy, lol. I wish people could have penguins at pets.

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A preliminary review of forever 21s fall collection is that they continue to push clothes that would look good on grandmothers and for every 1 decent item they seem to propagate 10 hideous thrift store wannabes. Whack to the level Max.

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Grey and scorpy persons of interest and lalendra. Also I never thought nj could make a dream about zombies worse but zombie necrophilia yep much worse of it was made.

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Oh is Super Bowl posting now, k

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2 effing murdered by the sun to go deeper into this and direct quote but Superbowl states:

"Which made me cringe, nothing jumping out at me, so null."

Which is Superbowl regarding Lalendra (he also describes her posts as sleep inducing). Something made you cringe but is also null? Kind of sloppy there. Something off here?

"Grayfox is at a really weak scumread because with his voting he seems to be treating miller claim as gospel, which strikes me as off." I haven't played with a miller but I find its existence annoying. Most people seem to think its normal for a Miller to claim although I am not convinced of it, I mean for a number of reasons some already explained.

It's hard for me to know what your read on Lalendra is if its cringe + null. Grayfoxx, I find odd for the reason of him voting me for something that he could also question 2-3 other people for or even question me (or even read the thread and tell me what my thoughts on the miller are). So. yeah.

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Will catch up today.. Been crazy busy at work.woot! Saturday

This is also super scummy. How many posts have been about posting to post about posting?

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Superbowl, you haven't voted anyone yet even your "weak scumread," so what's going on there?

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So your RVS vote is for realz now? That's convenient.

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Also don't use a yelling town with me, brah.

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*tone, lol

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You have clear thoughts on certain people and null hand waving on others.

You're sheeping reads on Grib and haven't moved off that vote even though initially it was an RVS vote. Then neither your nor that other playstyle fool have gone and meta-ed a Grib game to see if he always does this or even discussed why him putting out a vote

You have a "slight scum read" on Grib and a "weak scumread" on Gray and you seem to post about mindsets yet you also call people null who you might have reason to call lean town or lean scum. You provide reads because Atum asks for them.

You are asking a bunch of people why they are voting such and such yet I don't see you doing anything to further solidify your own reads for example on Grib. So let me ask you, "Are you already set on calling him scum or what?"

Why?

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Policy lynch causes me to spaz out so I'm going to step away from wanton acts of violence..for now

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All these links in NJ's posts? Are they some sort of mystery or totally random?

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[flash]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTZ7iX4vTQ[/flash]

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Wow looking at Gray in ISO is interesting.

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I found Scorpy to be a little iffy and I'm tired of noob AtE. However, Bella and others voting him what distinguishes Scorpy's ISO from Gray's? Regardless of how sarcasm is wasted on Gray.

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actually I can see a millers claim being suspicious to a new player or someone unsure of the role and claim. I don't see a player with a bit more experience sheeping a claimed miller.

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I don't need to argue your scum poppet your ISO is problematic if people voting Scorpius are voting him for some of the reasons that are applicable to you and then there's the trail of tears that led you from voting me to voting now and you know what they say about glycerin

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Well well well look what we have here, I'll have more to say when I'm not phoning but entropy

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I'd love for the people who analyzed the miller claim as being town side to comment on Scorpy's claim.

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Considering that he claims to be a newbie, does that play into your reads?

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Welp, I'm in a lot of games again.

Does that mean you're setting up a pre-emptive excuse to lurk? o_O

VOTE: Grib

Uh okay. <____< remind me later when I'm not hyped up on caffeine if I don't like this post the way I do now then.

Hey Mala, how do you feel about Lalendra now?

Also hope things are okay in RL.

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@grib

: I can't find a scum-game of yours.
Help please

What's your follow up on this?

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Mala, do you think lynching the miller then is the better option? Or Banakai?

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VOTE: catboi

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Well I had a panic attack due to thinking deadline was sooner, but we have till the 18th? So two days basically. banakai has a too long freaking VLA and has barely posted day one. Lurkerhate is strong in this one.

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Yeah but one claimed wo any good reason. No pressure, so idk. I have to think, I panicked at thinking deadline was close but we're okay for two days.

Scorpy's role needs to be looked at but can also be checked.

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What, Grib? Aww. babe <3 Hope everything is okay.

Hey, shaddowez!

So banakai what are your reads on everyone in the game?

Scorpy, Grib seemed to replace across games. So, I wouldn't pull that, k? How can a person be so scummy? Idk. How? I guess anything is possible.

Catboi raving about the mod's stuff annoyed me since he has done nothing but be weird and not in a good way. Miller claim out of the blue, then random stuff. Idk.

Bella, I amn't comparing their claims and I don't really do setup\role spec but of the two I feel like the Miller is a noose around our neck where it doesn't get resolved whether its scum or town whereas the doctor or weak doctor does?

Scorpy, paraphrase your claim again for me thanks.

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Were you? You don't seem wary of it from the beginning. In fact a look at your ISO shows that you agree with Grib at one point and also find catboi to be scummy.

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Grib replaced site wide so anyone trying to pin scum on that is atrocious.

catboi's reads are nonsense and utterly so. "Feel strongly on elu-scum but absolutely think Scorpious should be the vote today."

So, again not voting your strongest scum read? Why?

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out of curiosity, decided to search the completed mini normal games for games that included a miller, to see the town power role composition:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lit=miller - miller, nurse, tracker, watcher, hermit
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lit=miller - miller, watcher, jailkeeper, even night vig
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lit=miller - miller, cop
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lit=miller - neigbor miller, neighbor doc, cop, 2-shot tracker
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lit=miller - miller, 2-shot vig, even night jailkeeper, cop
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lit=miller - miller, cop, two-shot vig, neighborizer
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lit=miller - miller JOAT, odd night cop, bodyguard, 2x town neighbors
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lit=miller - miller, 2 shot VIG, JOAT, Bulletproof
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lit=miller - miller, cop, doctor, 1-shot BP, neighbor
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lit=miller - miller, odd-night vig, 2-shot watcher
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lit=miller - miller, cop, tracker, non-consecutive vig
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lit=miller - miller, cop, doctor

So a miller being in the setup makes it likely but not guaranteed that there's a cop role, but it definitely doesn't mean town can't have another investigative role. I don't see the claims as inherently contradicting whatsoever and I'm wary of those who use that logic

SO based on copious research (done to what aim? To establish fake claims? Tot justify miller claim? To?), it seems Scorpy's role is possible but still wants to vote Scorpy? Why?

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Town

superbowl9

- I don't know, someone sticking a box in his post #135

where he asks everyone "Why" just feels strangely genuine, like he's asking for answers and not just to appear engaged.

Where is the follow up? Who has responded to this questions and who has he pressed for a response?

Bellaphant

- null/town, I hate to say I like something as

vague

as the overall tone of her posts, but that's what strikes me, her case on scorp in #190 was solid, #117 seemed to be some solid questioning, but she's tailed off lately.

So basically her ISO shows lurkerage and not much else and yet this is a town read. Totally legit.

Maxous

- null/town, like that he seems to be actively scumhunting and posting reads,

some of his reads are hard to understand though, in fact he names 3 people as town or townish who are all in my scum reads

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Did like that he tried to dig up meta on grib.

1. So are you saying he's a bad player or his reads are wrong? Or what is the implication there?
2. What meta did he dig up and what did he share with the town about Grib? Is this normal for Grib to use meta reads? Or? What was his follow up?

Null

Malakittens

- The idea that my role and scorp's contradicted each other bothered me, but I actually felt better after our exchange as I think her thought process behind it is very genuine and she's not trying to just set up lynches. Still don't like the fact that she sat on her RVS vote before voting me though, and

she ultimately doesn't have a lot of substance to her posts

- she's named reads but not really explained most of them, would like to see a bit more elaboration. Do actually find the Lalendra read to be a decent one, so there's that. also, would like to know what become of this:

I have to look at something with Maxous and I'll get back to you on that.

That statement is contradictory to the rest of it, however why is Bella town but Mala null? Scummy reads are scummy.

Atum

- needs to post more. not sure how he's only at one prod thus far. Very little actual content to go by.

LOL, talks about Grib and his meta but ignores Atum's lurking. Why? Have you even looked to see what Atum is up to elsewhere?

OH SNAP WE NOW HAVE 7 SCUM or NULL SCUM IN THE GAME, OMG TOWN WE R TOTES SCREWED.

Grib/shaddowez

- null/scum - still don't like that grib essentially never followed up a reads list that was extremely forced coming on page 2, everything he posted after was more or less

filler.

As for shaddowez, a lot of their reads have just been saying someone looks good or bad without saying why, and they accuse superbowl of repeating someone else's argument, but a lot of their case on scorp is sutff that other people have posted in the topic. Still, they seem to be making something of a legitimate effort and my read on the slot isn't as harsh as it was initially.

The point on gray is a nice catch, actually - gray's really said nothing of value recently and doesn't appear to have a followup to his unvote.

1. If you meta'ed Grib then you would know fluff is his style, hence the nickname Gribblypuff Master of Fluff. But of course you didn't do that research, did you?

2. So why not vote Gray? In fact, he seems the scummiest of them all but catboi being one of three to avoid talking about the level of null that Gray is trying to embody.

Banakai

- null/scum. Also very light on content, seems mostly to comment on the main subjects of discussion, #115 is very

wishy-washy

, says

my claim's suspicious but comes up with reasons I'm likely to be real, all while sheeping my vote on Grib, then in his very next post goes to vote scorpious over me. Still can see some hint of a legitimate effort in his posts, might get easier to read with a little more content.

And yet with all of this, you find him to be null because? What makes all of these contradictory actions seem null/scum to you? Or what's the town mindset that you see that balances out the scummy?

Grayfoxxxx

- null/scum -

Don't like the fact he promised reads in #170 then never delivered. He complained about not having much to go on early on, but hasn't really developed opinions since then, his one real move was to sheep the vote on scorp but now doesn't want to vote either of us, but hasn't presented an alternative.

This and your other comments on Gray seem to give off the most scum but yet again you've put him squarely where a scum would put him while FOSing the fuck out of him. Why?

Radja

- null/scum. essentially very little signs of scumhunting. As far as I can tell, hasn't voiced a stronger suspicion than voting banakai early on for speculating about the existence of a cop role. Throws weak suspicion at scorpious in #111 and #200, then at malakittens in #202, but never makes an outright accusation. A post like #130 isn't bothersome in and of itself, but it's all basically safe, neutral statements that appear active but don't really advance anything.

Somehow strikes me as worse than other low content posters because he seems to be trying to

appear

active, while saying very little, and I don't get a real sense of purpose to the posts.

And yet, again with all this FOSing you have him at null/scum which means you are again reading him as null because?

Scum

Lalendra

- Spends a lot of time talking about my claim, calls it suspicious in #81, seems to express doubt over the strategy of claiming right away in #106/#107, but in #120 says she tends to believe my claim, after general sentiment seems to be going toward not lynching me. Then, posts after that - #224 asks a question of superbowl9, no real followup, dismissive of another read, talking about my claim again. #227 is just weak suspicion of scorp, reluctance to vote due to the role, but then votes him anyway in #286 on a day-old post she'd already read/quoted past. What made the post suddenly notable then?

#233 and #234 are both extremely defensive in the face of some very, very slight pressure, which also looks like an "why me" sort of response. Don't like at all that her response to being attacked for lack of content is to claim there's nothing else to say and everyone else is just as bad (to be fair i've a lot of null/scum reads, but that doesn't make it any more of a good way to respond)

I'm ambivalent on Lalendra for now.

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Wanted to say town

when I went into my iso reads, but came away with a far worse impression than my initial one. Can understand why they'd be doubtful of my claim given lack of experience with the meta but the fact is I've never seen a miller that didn't claim day 1 and not doing so seems stupid to me. Vote in #116 came across as town annoyance, getting fed up with someone not contributing. However, a lot of their posts after that come off as looking to attack others, more than scumhunting - #150, #157, #159, #179, are examples of this, as well as #191 -

they're short posts that really just kind of pick at people without going so far as to make a full blown case.

The lack of a read on Grib is troubling, especially given they seem to have some familiarity with him and seemingly attacked people for voting him (see #165) The implicit critique here is that they think this is just grib's meta, but they don't say it outright and the only plausible motivation I can see is not wanting to defend him outright.

Also very notable that in #150 elusive calls out a post by scorpious as "super scummy"

but a single day later

in #191 They say he's "a little iffy" but try to redirect attention away from scorpious and toward gray - they go from saying his actions are "super scummy" to soft defending him in a day's time,

a dramatic shift in reads that I really don't see much of a rational explanation for

. Strongly think this is scum.

1. What cases for scum has anyone else in the thread made? Point me to a strong case that someone made where you are following them.
2. Link me to a day one game where you accurately read players as town\scum and made full blown cases that were accurate. Kind of want to see where you're at with that.
3. Scorpious has alleged he is a newbie (could be an alt, idk, I don't give out freebies to newbies - go to newbie school if your expecting hand holding), he also within that time period made a claim to be a doc. Why don't you believe his claim but expect yours to be believed?
4. Why are you voting for someone other than me if you think I'm strongly scum? Why? Why? Why? Why? I mean unlike the potential for Scorpy to be let's say 10% doc, I'm less of a risk since you know nothing.

Scorpious

- yeah, still. overall style of posting has been very much to cast soft suspicion on people rather than making strong accusations,

justification of not trusting my miller claim seems incredibly poor

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miller's not a remotely uncommon role,

and the idea that it's a good role for scum to claim is idiotic, essentially prevents them from claiming anything stronger and runs a risk of a counter claim or being outed by an investigative role. The overall questioning doesn't seem to have a purpose or go anywhere, also frequently pressing other players for content while saying little himself. The fact that he unvoted me when I mentioned his vote hadn't moved from RVS, then immediately re-voted just doesn't make sense from any sort of town mindset.

Vote on shaddowez is terrible, too. His mentions of Grib go from asking two randos if they support the lynch on Grib (#110), then never following up on it, asking him if he has reads that don't reference meta (#139), says that about him, which is basically meaningless commentary, along with saying his reaction to my claim is suspect, while trying to push him on my claim (#203), and then says he'd lynch the slot because...his reads were based on meta (as if that's meaningful) (#272). And that's "wary of the slot from the beginning"?

He'd only begun to express real suspicion of Grib 12 hours ag

o once it was clear to him I wasn't getting lynched. This just smacks of dishonesty.

Feel strongly on elu-scum but absolutely think Scorpious should be the vote today.

1. Actually I've played upwards of idk how many games on MS and this is my first encounter with a miller. So Miller isn't that common, maybe in this queue but not on the site.
2. So with that in mind and the alleged noob and my own feeling that claiming miller as the Wiki says may not be the best strategy (why not crumb it and then claim when needed?) Etc. You have actually ignored everyone talking about why it isn't the best to claim. The Wiki wasn't written by God nor does the Wiki have stats on how effective it is to claim Miller day one, for all we know wo research its possibly the worst thing ever.
3. I also pointed that out.
4. Is casting suspicion on players scummy? Why? What would town do or what would scum do? How is that different from your potentially 7 scum\nullscum?

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GrayFoxx and Bella not voting, so much thrill there.

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Do you want to put it in spoilers? That's what I probably would have done but I was too busy taking out the comments that might be considered offensive to whiny cats.

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Ok taking a quick look at it now.

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So from ISOing Scorpy in that game on day one he is : defensive, prickly but also logical and good at picking out inconsistencies and mis-logic. In this game he's still defensive, prickly but not as aggressive in pointing at scum. Is that scummy? It could be but it could also be that he's a PR and some people (like Mala for example) play PRs by being less aggressive and more lurkery in the hope they won't get NKed. Obviously, it leads to them hitting some town's scum radars and hard to tell if its scum just lurking or a town PR being nervous.

Scorpy isn't a noob from his other game but he doesn't know the MS lingo, so sorry about that. AtE means Appeal to Emotions. A tactic that scum or town might use and which in particular grates on my nerves.

Oh Scorpy, I like your town attitude. Very lovely, teaching those passive aggressive fruit loops to shove it.

This is where I'm at:
VOTE: GrayFoxxxxx

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Grib has several games on this site so you could have looked at his town games as well. I guess not that deeply invested in figuring it out.

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What is it that confirms Scorpy's claim as scum to you when you yourself listed multiple setups where a miller plus cop plus doctor is possible?

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I'll look again at Scorpy. What makes Gray a counterwagon? What in his ISO reads town to you? What are his reads\thoughts in the game?

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^

That's what she said

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That's not how I interpreted that at all.

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I don't know, Grib and I were in a game where a player was a bit of noob and was the doctor. He claimed because he flailed quite a bit and then town effing lynched him anyway and idk.

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I'm town. I think you're purposefully ignoring my content. I also find it convenient that no fucktard has thought it might be important to look at Scorpius's interaction. Nor has any actually town doofus seen my scum games on this site and realized that if Scorpy was my scum partner I would bus the daylights out of him.

So yeah. Bored by playstyles of the less than worthy. Among other unsavory things I could say but won't because apparently.

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lalendra, selectively quoting my iso is remarkable

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remarkable = repulsive

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superbowl, why is your vote on me at all? What mind blowing case did Mala make at that point? Interesting.

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So, I thought Scorpy was suspicious for a while and then defended him post him making a claim for the same reason and yet you're voting me? Ok,superbowl9 and Maxous. {Redacted}

Sorry, Lalendra I meant catboi there.

I was right about Grib. Right about Scorpy until the doc claim threw me off as explained due to being in a game with a moronic town that lynched the doc.

Anyway, superbowl9 you haven't answered my question and that's {redacted}.

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That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard and I don't know why you play mafia.

I've played with Mala and accurate reads have rarely been her strong suit.

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Nope

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It's not really my job to defend myself, it's your job to make an accurate case which you have already failed at. Being dismissive of people who play as if this is Town of Salem is a my prerogative.

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You haven't actually looked at Scorpius' interactions or ISO.

Since he revealed the setup spec and 3 scum, which is pretty important. Not only are you selective but have bad reads. See my earlier post about your terrible reads.

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I've asked both you and your buddy Superbowl several things and you've ignored that. So, its you who is ignoring the obvious.

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Repulsed.

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What defense do you expect? I already gave my defense. I'm town. I've explained everything that needs explanation. Why would I as scum defend him so blatantly? How does that make sense? How does that fit with my scum meta where I bus my teammates with town and in fact react very differently?

Trying to blame me for your lack of research, logical skills and ability to go through Scorpius's interactions and look at them carefully or even do wagon analysis is not my problem.

As for being lynched? Do you think I care? Go right ahead, make my day.

Here is Scorpius in ISO:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7136416

Posts that might make sense for people who give a fuck to look at:

#154, #203, #313, #314
FOSes: Grib (obvious town), catboi for the miller claim (idk what catboi is but i don't like it outside of alignment), Lalendra (RVs), Bella 2x,
Asks Grib why he has a townread on me, that's soft fosing as well,

The question about why I ask people claiming to claim again? Umm...obviously because sometimes scum will slip and claim something and then slip and change it up. For example, look at the finished game Diamond is Unbreakable and how Sala fucks up his fake claim.

So yeah reaching and stupidity.

If I were scum, why would I hard defend Grib? Why would I go against a scum buddy and defend Grib? Seriously. No.

What are you going to do lynch me? Like, do not care.

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And #425 is a lie, catboi you left out my interactions with Scorpy over him FOSIng Grib along with the ones I posted above. Shoddy.

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You're wrong.

How's that for defense?

Also, the burden of proof lies on you and the people on my wagon. Look at the shit wagon, its full of players who are using others for their reads. Where are the cases? There aren't any. Rank.

Also I despise people who ask for defense but then change the goal post. I explained some things you said I'm lying. Now when I flip town and then post game I'm going to feel justified writing, "This player's playstyle is worthless. See this game as evidence." Got it?

Mala's push sucks and seriously sucks.

Also, what research have you done? Have you looked at my scum or town meta and determined for example that as town I am always prickly as a pear about shitty stuff against me? Have you?

Or that my scum game is a lot better than my town game in general?

No, you haven't done research and are pointless. Lynch me so I can get away from this mentality of every single person on my wagon who I {} can't say it but you can imagine it, I'm sure.

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Sorry, I don't know if I'm frustrated with mafia in general or just idk stuff but I'm town, if there are reasonable questions then I can answer those. I refuse to partake in hitting my head against the wall.

[elusive]

I'm here, wanted to take vla because stuff but forgot. I'll try to read the game and catch up tonight.

[elusive]

Oh nm I was replaced, sorry on a trip and lost track of the game, good luck town

[elusive]

oh look i was right about catboi, huh and some other stuff too. epic.

[elusive]

tbh well i'm kinda glad that I called /most/ of the scum. Hey elusive about that shitty radar, eh?

Idk, looking at it in ISO we're kind of all over the place, plus you read me as scum.

I'm over mafia. The quest to figure out lies\truth through words and psychological means like some A level Sherlock fangirl on fluff isn't fun. At least through this game.