In post 4520, Suzune wrote:Knowing enough of the roles in this game gives one power. The power to claim anything. So if you remember back when I thought that Sinsun might be a sensor, Titus said something about anyone claiming to be a sensor because there was no way to prove the claim. This got to me thinking about the Oracle claim. One does not need to actually be one to claim one. If PV knew there was a doctor, maybe because they were a doctor, it is easy enough to write yourself into your own prediction. Since no one is claiming it either means that no one actually has the doctor role, read as PV has the doctor role, or that actual doctor is one of the people who has not claimed.
Okay, so the working theory would be that he was scum and faked role awareness? The real question then becomes one of timing.
In post 2930, PeregrineV wrote:I'm
motivated
to find
scum
, but the
doctor
has been doing a shit job, and I think the "
tracker
" is also
scum
, and if he doesn't get lynched, he'll probably be
roleblocked
anyway. It would be nice if I could just
tree stump
myself like that one game, (but I waited too long). Oh well.
So here's his thing.
He knew about a Tracker, a Doc, a Motivator, a Roleblocker, and a Tree Stump
At the time he made this claim we had a claimed...Tracker, right?
Since then the Motivator, the Roleblocker, and the Tree Stump have all flipped confirmed scum.
The Tracker has flipped confirmed town but is a restricted Tracker and Pere argues that there is a non restricted scum Tracker.
We have also had zero Doc claim.
I, personally, see no reason for a scum Pere to basically just call out most of his team's PRs in a hidden way and then to also push a massclaim after the fact.
I am of the opinion that even if Pere is scum, he is also an Oracle.
His callout also seems to be almost entirely scum even if you think it was an intentional attempt to stab the town Tracker in the back somehow and maybe out a Doc...who doesn't appear to exist if he's town (an elaborate multi-scum bus attempt that they gave up on in favor of just shooting him instead)
Ockham's, yeah?
In post 4526, Nero Cain wrote:Basically here are my thoughts
I know that Gumball is cop "cleared" and PV says there is no GF but I dont trust either of them. I think Sin is wrong as Smurf on Titus and Gummy blindly sheeping Sin makes me edgy.
One thing that still really bothers me about Suzune is that she said she thought Thor was scum b/c he had a pr and she makes prs and didn't think their roles could coexsist but as soon as I asked about it she didn't respond (or atleast I don't remember it) and dropped it.
Nero
Titus
Sinsun
Thor
Dave
Rabi
Suzune
Gumball
pv
So you think Sinsun is hard pushing town (Titus) and also can see that I just helped nail two scum back to back and even in a way that didn't even cost a lynch - but you have Sinsun as more likely town than me...
Shall I also presume you are claiming 'not Doc'?
Since you think Pere is scum, and if you're the town Doc, a claim of 'Doc' would definitely help get Pere lynched, y'know - so I'm taking it you're not a Doc, yes?