Mini 1675 ~ Choose Your Side (Game Over)

Plotinus · Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:39 am

have we met?

VOTE: Jeanne

Policy.

Plotinus · Post Post #11 (isolation #1) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:51 am

Pleased to make your acquaintance. I am Plotinus.

Plotinus · Post Post #17 (isolation #2) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:17 am

Plotinus · Post Post #19 (isolation #3) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:35 am

I think this is the only game I wotc-ed you in, so what does this have to do with me?

Plotinus · Post Post #23 (isolation #4) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:51 am

don’t worry, there will be walls later. there are never walls on page 1. how you been wgeurts?

also hi skold that was very poetic of you!

Plotinus · Post Post #25 (isolation #5) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:08 am

Are you selectively scumhunting, oversoul?

Plotinus · Post Post #27 (isolation #6) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:20 am

oh, ok. It’s just it looked like you were looking for 3rd party instead of generic scum in 24

What did you think of Maruchan’s entrance?

Plotinus · Post Post #29 (isolation #7) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:31 am

eh. jeanne tends to flake as town. that’s a good enough reason for a page 1 vote until i have something better to go on.

Plotinus · Post Post #31 (isolation #8) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:47 am

You didn’t? Can you win with the town, though?

Plotinus · Post Post #39 (isolation #9) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:24 am

In post 30, Oversoul wrote:Maruchan could also be third party now that I think about it given his first post.

Did no one choose town =_=

you said no one. not “no one else”. that’s all.

Plotinus · Post Post #41 (isolation #10) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:32 am

I might have read too much into it :/ early game it’s hard to know what to pay attention to; i like replacing in better.

Plotinus · Post Post #86 (isolation #11) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:25 pm

nacho, can you selectively quote? can you multiquote?

if you can do both then here are some sentences for you to quote in response to other things:

Spoiler: miscellaneous mafia phrases

Plotinus · Post Post #89 (isolation #12) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:34 pm

yay it works!

Plotinus · Post Post #93 (isolation #13) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:36 pm

oh no it’s contagious!

i am groot too?

Plotinus · Post Post #99 (isolation #14) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:38 pm

Plotinus · Post Post #104 (isolation #15) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:43 pm

I wasn’t telling the truth about it being contagious i was making a joke. I am not actually grooted.

Plotinus · Post Post #126 (isolation #16) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 4:32 pm

In post 0, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:

Original Player List:

1) CooLDoG
2) diginova
3) Jeanne11
4) Klingoncelt
5) Maruchan
6) massive
7) McMenno
8) MewThree
9) Nachomamma8
10) Oversoul
11) Plotinus

12) miss
<——— this used to say skold before the game started.
13) wgeurts

I saw this earlier and it was confusing me. But I guess Skold is miss for the purposes of this game?

Plotinus · Post Post #128 (isolation #17) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:41 pm

yeah. the only thought I had about that is that Nexus’ title is “miss” but what does that have to do with Skold? I think if Skold doesn’t know either then whoever is responsible probably isn’t going to tell us?

It would be pretty annoying if all of our names got replaced with fake names. would be hard to keep track of who is voting whom and stuff.

Plotinus · Post Post #130 (isolation #18) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:03 am

That’s true.

Everyone’s being really quiet.

Plotinus · Post Post #134 (isolation #19) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:53 am

…I have the strangest tendency to vote people who claim scum, wgeurts. Dunno about the rest of the town. Let’s find out.

VOTE: wgeurts

Plotinus · Post Post #146 (isolation #20) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:45 am

assuming you’re telling the truth about the vengeful: jeanne and mcmenno are the ones that people wanted to policy lynch.

I think most of people’s votes are left over from rvs still so idk if anyone has any scumreads other than you because very few people have taking stances about anything. I have too many people in the nullscum, lurksack, and gibberish categories at the moment, so that’s something to work on toMorrow.

Plotinus · Post Post #157 (isolation #21) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:02 am

if you’re a jester why didn’t you fix your fake selfhammer? You messed up your voting tags.

Was looking forward to playing with you, wgeurts, oh well. Good appetite for your pizza!

Plotinus · Post Post #159 (isolation #22) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:15 am

Nacho, are you telling me to unvote? (2 groot = yes unvote, 1 = no i’m saying something else)

Plotinus · Post Post #162 (isolation #23) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:57 am

ok.

UNVOTE:

until we talk this through.

Plotinus · Post Post #165 (isolation #24) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:00 am

So, you think it’s a botched fake claim, and you don’t believe what he’s saying but you don’t want him lynched right this second. I could try to guess and you could quote parts that are right?

The dayphase hasn’t gone on long enough and you want some more time to discuss things.
You think the wagon happened too quickly and you think it’s not because all of his buddy turbobussed him.
You want some time to convince him not to vengekill you.
You don’t think he’s scum.
Something else.

Plotinus · Post Post #168 (isolation #25) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:04 am

You’re worried that jester might end the game for everyone instead of him just exiting and game play continuing for the rest of us?

pedit: oh, yeah i can see that. but I’ve seen him botch a fakeclaim before, in We Didn’t Playtest This.

Plotinus · Post Post #170 (isolation #26) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:07 am

I also think probably not jester.

Plotinus · Post Post #175 (isolation #27) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:20 am

Here is what I think:

I think he probably does have some rolepm related thing about cats. It is too bizarre a thing to claim out of nowhere in a uPick.
I think he is rolefishing.
I think he is frustrated that other people weren’t eating the bait.
I think he is implying that townkitties would have happily crumbed their role to player of unknown alignment.
I think this makes no sense.
I think townkitties and scumkitties would each be wary for different reasons.
Townkitties have no reason to trust him yet and know that mods tend to implement mechanics to make massclaiming be a bad strategy
Scumkitties are afraid that this is an investigative kind of cathugging.
I still think he’s scum, though.
And that if he isn’t, he’ll be a distraction later on. I don’t think he can town it back up enough.

pedit: oh! You think he can’t self hammer, but if I unvote then he can vote himself and then I can revote him?

pedit: oh ok. well we’ll see if he brings himself back to L-1 again or not.

Plotinus · Post Post #179 (isolation #28) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:29 am

VOTE: wgeurts

? is this what you want me to do? I unvoted because I thought you wanted me to, not because I didn’t want him lynched. so now I’m revoting because i think that’s what you’re telling me to do?

wgeurts is at L-1 and should self hammer or something

Plotinus · Post Post #185 (isolation #29) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:59 am

I think 3 means “maybe” or “it depends”

I thought 1 meant “no” so if in 181 nacho is telling me to unvote after i thought he told me to revote then i am really confused.

@nacho:

Spoiler: more echolaelia for nacho to use

Plotinus · Post Post #188 (isolation #30) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:07 am

Plotinus · Post Post #189 (isolation #31) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:11 am

Quote the parts that apply:

Nacho want plotinus to make wgeurts self hammer.
Nacho doesn’t want wgeurts to be at L-1.
Nacho wants Plotinus to unvote so that wgeurts is at L-2.
Nacho want plotinus to vote and unvote every other post like a traffic light because it’s funny.
Nacho thinks wgeurts can’t and won’t self hammer so plotinus should unvote so that wgeurts can put himself at L-1
Nacho has a reason that makes sense and Plotinus just isn’t getting it still.

Plotinus · Post Post #192 (isolation #32) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:12 am

UNVOTE: wgeurts

fair enough. thank you.

Plotinus · Post Post #193 (isolation #33) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:16 am

do you need more mafia sentences?

what kind of mafia sentences do you need:

Trying to figure out motivation sentences
Wagon driving sentences
Scumhunting sentences
Interrogating sentences
Posting reads lists kind of sentences

I’m running low on some of these categories myself but we can try to think of some?

What do you think of my 175?

Plotinus · Post Post #194 (isolation #34) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:19 am

i remember towards the end of we didn’t playtest this when i was in a situation that i hadn’t been in before and i didn’t have any echolaelia for it at all and i spent a few days just reading completed games to try to see what kinds of words others were using in similar situations. so i know what it’s like to need words and not have them. we’ll try to find you some.

Plotinus · Post Post #202 (isolation #35) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:27 pm

k. found some completed newbie games of nacho’s to borrow phrases from. i might be able to get reads based on whether he predominantly picks sentences from his scum game or from his town game. sentences are from his entire ISO, most of them won’t apply right at this very moment but maybe he can use them later? skipped stuff that seemed overly specific to that one game but tried to keep enough variety too.

Spoiler: defending sentences:

Spoiler: interrogating/pushing sentences:

Spoiler: townreading kinds of sentences:

Spoiler: scumreading kinds of sentences:

Spoiler: picking people’s cases apart sentences:

Spoiler: commenting on the game state sentences:

Plotinus · Post Post #203 (isolation #36) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:36 pm

In post 196, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 175, Plotinus wrote:And that if he isn’t, he’ll be a distraction later on.

I am Groot

fair enough. i’ve only seen him as scum before so that’s probably biasing me?

Plotinus · Post Post #204 (isolation #37) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:37 pm

This is my only ongoing game at the moment, in case it wasn’t obvious.

Plotinus · Post Post #218 (isolation #38) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:06 pm

In post 200, Maruchan wrote:Also just pointing out that while groot is canonicly a good guy, we picked out alignment. So macho could very well be a groot mafia. Or groot third. So far his actions have been towny, or as towny as can be while he can not display any original thoughts, being forced to parot/mince out posts to make thoughts. But we cant guarantee bus townieness

I thought of this too, and I read a game once where nikanor was a completely postrestricted (could only post in gestures) mafia aligned beloved princess so I think it would be a mistake to townread people based on what they claim their role is, based on the visible effects of their role, or their post restriction. bad setup spec loses games!

but I think it’s a good sign he’s making an effort to communicate with us and now that he has an easier way of participating we will be able to read him more easily based on which sentences he uses where, which sentences he doesn’t use at all, whether the stances he takes make sense, as well as how he interacts with different people.

I wasn’t sure for a while but i’m townleaning him at the moment.

Plotinus · Post Post #219 (isolation #39) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:11 pm

hi wgeurts i can see you are online do you have anything to say?

Plotinus · Post Post #223 (isolation #40) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:17 pm

VOTE: wgeurts

he’s at L-1

Plotinus · Post Post #224 (isolation #41) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:18 pm

you could post a readslist or something

Plotinus · Post Post #228 (isolation #42) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:23 pm

It’s page 10 and the following players have less posts than the mod does: skold, jeanne, massive, colddog, mcmenno, diginova

IF you guys could do something to change that, it would do wonders for the game state.

pedit: that makes sense. we should definitely look into this wagon toMorrow

Plotinus · Post Post #230 (isolation #43) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:27 pm

Sure!

In post 86, Plotinus wrote:
We should lynch this today.
All aboard!
This is my lynch pool: wgeurts

Plotinus · Post Post #233 (isolation #44) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:35 pm

The wiki says jester doesn’t usually end the game anymore and I think if I were a mod I wouldn’t want jester to end the game because you put all that work into designing a setup and then it’s all over by page 10.

I also think it’s cruel to have people in the game who can no longer achieve their win condition, like brantz/not_mafia at the end of wdpt.

and you keep saying stuff that makes people more hesitant about lynching you: bringing up that the game might end, bringing up that hammering could be construed as a town cred grab, and that’s making me more nervous about you maybe being maf after all.

Plotinus · Post Post #237 (isolation #45) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:04 pm

yeah, that’s why i brought up not_mafia/brantz. they had to spend an entire day phase unable to win just waiting to see whether we’d make the right decision or not. it was lame. that’s the situation you’d be in if we refuse to lynch you.

from my perspective it does sort of matter because if you’re mafia then you need to die but if you’re jester that’s one less mislynch the mafia needs to meet their wincon.

but you’re my friend and i always hope my friends win (though i won’t make it easy for them if we don’t share an alignment, of course).

Plotinus · Post Post #250 (isolation #46) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:12 am

ok, now that it’s later in the day and i’m fully awake I can understand what people are saying.

UNVOTE: wgeurts[/unovte]

sorry, friend, it is better to find mafia toDay.

Plotinus · Post Post #251 (isolation #47) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:12 am

UNVOTE: wgeurts

someday preview before pressing submit. someday.

Plotinus · Post Post #262 (isolation #48) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:55 am

@massive: i think it is because the mafia need to get x mislynches in order to get to lylo and then win, and lynching the jester if we’re sure he is a jester aand not mafia fake claiming, it gives the mafia a free mislynch, taking them one step closer to their goal without furthering the town wincon.

Plotinus · Post Post #267 (isolation #49) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:44 am

Yeah, that was lame. Need to stop n00bslipping, my newbie card expired towards the end of May. I didn’t notice he was jester for a while, I thought he was just being bad because in We Didn’t Playtest This he really botched his fakeclaim in twilight 1, so i’d seen him be obvscum as scum before. And then after the word jester was mentioned, I spent some time not understanding what that meant. I get it now!

In post 263, massive wrote:I have a feeling cross-killing is going to be WAY more important to this game than mislynching.

Also, massive could you explain the town motivation behind saying something like this in public?

Plotinus · Post Post #269 (isolation #50) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:00 am

might explain why i have too many nullscum reads.

nacho, maruchan, and oversoul are probably town. everyone else is nullscum/jester/lurksack/gibberish. i need to take some time to interact with the people in those categories because I don’t have anywhere near enough townreads and that worries me.

Plotinus · Post Post #284 (isolation #51) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:41 am

wgeurts (in oranje crush hydra) botching his fakeclaim in wdpt as SK: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p6681668

is why botched fake claim made more sense to me than jester for a while.

calling for massclaims in twilight 1, roflclaiming commuter (better to try to draw the nightkill since he was actually a commuter), using the wrong definition of amnesiac (that was the fakeclaim part). later “remembered” some kind of ability that let him see the dead’s role pms and then tried to crumb mafia traitor to one of the scum teams. and later on practically bragging about some of the nightkills once he stopped commuting and started using his nightkill.

just lots of little things seemed familiar.

Plotinus · Post Post #305 (isolation #52) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:09 am

You should venge her for us

VOTE: Jeanne11 finally people are seeing the light. like she seems to be post restricted or something too (or maybe she always posts gibberish? it’s hard to tell with her) but unlike nacho she’s not trying to communicate or scumhunt or do anything at all.

Plotinus · Post Post #311 (isolation #53) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:19 am

In post 18, Jeanne11 wrote:Yeah, I am feeling cynical, cos there seems to be a conspiracy against me here bent on creating a wall between me and certain game I desperately want to join, which is still in sign-ups.....*insert sadface here*

A rules infraction has been assessed for this post.

this is why i thought she might be post restricted.

but like, if you compare her ISO with nacho’s (whose post restriction seems to be

worse

) it’s like night and day.

Plotinus · Post Post #351 (isolation #54) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:29 am

In one of my completed games, one of the scum was scumreading everyone but himself and the person he was buddying.

Plotinus · Post Post #357 (isolation #55) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:23 am

VOTE: massive

Plotinus · Post Post #365 (isolation #56) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:35 am

….are you trying to get modkilled?

Plotinus · Post Post #368 (isolation #57) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:41 am

you just claimed scum with another player. that usually gets people modkilled.

Plotinus · Post Post #370 (isolation #58) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:46 am

might depend on the mod, but i thought it was a “regardless of truth value” sort of thing. In my last game, I asked the mod if I could claim scum with a dead townie during twilight trolling if I was lynched and he said no, even though that clearly would have been a joke.

Anyway, I hope you don’t get in trouble. I like you, though I know this game probably isn’t much fun for you at the moment.

You have my permission to turn me into a double voter by sheeping me if you want to.

Plotinus · Post Post #372 (isolation #59) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:52 am

Plotinus · Post Post #374 (isolation #60) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:58 am

I cannot blame you, no. You are only trying to play to wincon, after all.

Plotinus · Post Post #384 (isolation #61) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:56 am

he didn’t look very voteless on the vote counts.

Plotinus · Post Post #387 (isolation #62) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:19 am

why? It’s a thing that happens regardless of the truth value of the statement. I know that jesters aren’t scum with other people, if that’s what you’re yelling about. If you’re yelling about something else then you should use your words because some of us can’t read your mind.

Plotinus · Post Post #412 (isolation #63) » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:04 am

have you forgotten that wgeurts is jester, cooldog?

since you kept poking me about not understanding stuff.

Plotinus · Post Post #416 (isolation #64) » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:48 am

In post 413, CooLDoG wrote:you still don't understand. He has turned into you. He doesn't realize that wrgruts is not game trolling. He is actually playing his role.

He is asking, "why not lynch the jester?"

I’ve been trying to figure out if I’m scumreading you independently of your constant selfcontradictory ad hominem sniping at me and I think I am.

In my offsite scum game, we spent a lot of time voteparking on people for nonalignment indicative stuff that basically amounted to differences of opinion on mafia theory. (We were technically vote parking people who weren’t being stupid

enough

but that aspect of the strategy is something it doesn’t make sense to attempt outside the newbie queue, too big a chance that someone in the town understands mafia theory, but I think the voteparking is scummy in and of itself. Post 340 is just one example of you saying you’re going to votepark people).

So there’s that which doesn’t have anything to do with me.

As for your interactions with me: In my experience, town needs to try to lynch actual scum, not the mislynch bait who for whatever reason isn’t playing well. As such, town tends to be interested in trying to repair communication failures, asking questions to determine people’s motivations and checking for misunderstandings, whereas scum doesn’t really care and just needs to get their mislynches in. This happened to me a bunch of times in WDPT with various scums screeching about how retarded I was whenever I either bumbled into a correct scumread (I was a newbie back then, it was right after my first newbie game that i replaced into page 209 of that game) or whenever I was completely failing to grasp some basic mafia theory concept. I was scumread by town in that game too, and town didn’t hesitate to tell me when I was being bad at mafia, but they did it differently, they took a different tone, a different approach. Town were trying to communicate with me, trying to figure out my alignment. Scum didn’t really care as long as they didn’t lose me as a mislynch candidate.

So, sure, my first time encountering a jester and I don’t immediately figure out how to interact with the jester to further my (town) wincon or how to compare and contrast how I should be responding to him with how the mafia should be responding to him. I don’t manage to build up this knowledge from first principles but I spend a few pages trying to figure out what to do. What is the scum motivation for missing the point like this? I miss the point sometimes. It happens. It’s not alignment indicative for me.

The way you’re interacting with me about this reminds me of like 6 different people who were scum across 3 of my completed games.

Also your case against me seems to be some combination of Plotinus can’t be that stupid and Plotinus really is that stupid. Make up your mind? And I’m not even going to argue against the “really is that stupid” right now because I’ve been failing theory of mind a lot lately. But it was below the belt.

VOTE: CooLDoG

Plotinus · Post Post #419 (isolation #65) » Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:30 am

I think I’m finally on the same page as everyone else with regard to the jester. The “isn’t that modkillable” question was genuine too. It was a product of having seen “don’t claim scum with someone else” on every ruleset in all 6 of my games and not knowing that the reason for that rule was “don’t play against wincon”; I had thought it was part of “don’t be a jerk”.

The person I wanted to policy lynch, i wanted to lynch them because their

town

meta is that they flake. That’s a hint at their alignment in this game, and I even explained that at the time. And I was right! I was right about jeanne before you were, even! I think we should take equal credit for Jeanne

Then I spent a while scumhunting Oversoul, though I liked the way he responded to my prodding, it seemed very natural and he didn’t get flustered so I came away from that with a provisional townread on him.

I have no idea what to make of massive being on fire, which is why I’ve been ignoring it. The only thing that I can think of is that in WDPT there was a person who had a role that let him take himself out of the game (which made him unlynchable 3 times and unnightkillable the following night) and then come back. Setup spec isn’t one of my strengths but I think that a role that makes you harder to lynch is less likely to be a town role.

I’m perpetually behind on my notes for this game, but I’ve been noticing things anyway: maruchan was sheeping my oversoul pushes and my policy lynch target was better than his, but he’s still nullish for me and massive was claiming to be scumreading everybody (i’d been suspicious of them since post 44 with that entrance of everybody is scum because one of the scum in one of my newbie games did that). I need to see more from Nacho but I liked the way he was using the sentences I gave him a lot better than the way Jeanne wasn’t.

Thanks for replying civilly this time.

Plotinus · Post Post #420 (isolation #66) » Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:31 am

and I wasn’t asking

for

him to be modkilled I was saying wow what the fuck

don’t

get yourself modkilled.

Plotinus · Post Post #421 (isolation #67) » Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:33 am

I keep not finishing my thoughts. sorry. The 3-shot unlynchable/uncrosskillable thing in WDPT was scum (mafia traitor to be specific).

Plotinus · Post Post #424 (isolation #68) » Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:58 am

In post 422, CooLDoG wrote:wowowowowo, you were trying to policy lynch someone who flakes. Can there be an easier target?

someone who flakes

as town

someone who doesn’t flake

as scum

in a choose your own alignment game.

Plotinus · Post Post #425 (isolation #69) » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:09 am

If you search her name in the replacement requests thread. most of those games have compelted by now i think. and check her alignment in those games. she was town in the ones she flaked in. she was lacklustre in the games she didn’t flake in. she’s currently restricted to 3 games due to excessive replacing out.

But I don’t want to play with someone with such a shitty trust tell. and the choose your own alignment thing combined with the “only flakes as town” thing was a really strong hint as to her probably alignment if she got her first choice (which it seems like she did, since she flipped scum).

Plotinus · Post Post #437 (isolation #70) » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:28 am

it sounds like a cop out to get out of scumhunting though. you’ve found all the scum: everybody but you! no need to try to figure out anybody’s alignments since you already know them. but town isn’t usually the alignment that knows everybody else’s alignments so it’s confusing.

Are you worried about painting yourself into a corner by naming townreads because that happened to me once when I was scum, I was townreading someone and then I had to turn on her in LYLO but she didn’t do anything conveniently scummy at the right moment because she was town.

Plotinus · Post Post #442 (isolation #71) » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:41 am

sure, but i was right about jeanne and it was a better reason than most rvs votes? i think i used “because i don’t understand what his avatar is a picture of” in one of my games? because username pun? because it’s a familiar face? i didn’t even stay on her that long before moving out of RVS but it feels kind of weird defending myself for hopping /off/ of someone who flipped scum?

I do wish she’d managed to avoid modkill a little longer; maybe she would’ve tied herself to somebody. as it was, she only responded to a couple people (me because of the policy lynch thing, wgeurts because of the jester thing).

Plotinus · Post Post #450 (isolation #72) » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:42 pm

Skold lurked a lot as scum in the newbie game I played with him.

Plotinus · Post Post #453 (isolation #73) » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:41 pm

@Mod: I’m going to be V/LA at least tomorrow (Saturday) for pride. I’ll check in late Saturday night so that people know that dispersal went okay and that I’m safe and stuff.

Plotinus · Post Post #496 (isolation #74) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:20 am

home safe from pride. the police blocked the side streets and set the cordon really far back so the spectators couldn’t interact with us at all so we had a nice safe pride in our cage and the spectators behaved themselves from afar. v/la over after i’ve slept

Plotinus · Post Post #505 (isolation #75) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:59 pm

A catchup post!

Skold

In post 474, Skold wrote:Add Plotinus up there as well. His comment on me lurking as scum was neutral and doesn't really take a stance which I don't like. If you're bringing stuff life that up it needs a stance or it's meaningless. Null-Scum.

At the time I posted that, you had less posts than the mod. This is still the case. I had you down in my notes as “needs to take more stances” which you’re starting to do at least. But basically what I was saying there is “hmmm, skold is lurking like in that other game when he was lurking and he was scum”. I don’t really like reading people solely based on inactivity, though, so it’s a weak read.

MassiveI think the important thing to zero in on with massive is that he’s really convinced he’s the only member of his faction, which he claims to be town because claiming to not be town would be suicide unless we think there’s more jesters (I don’t for the record, it seems illogical but nothing about this game makes sense so it is better to not make assumptions maybe). So I think we should treat massive as if he’s claiming to be a third party.

Otherwise, massive, pretending to agree with your premise that you’re the only townie even though I know that can’t be true, maybe you still need to be hunting for other 3rd parties that you can win with? If you’re a third party that can win with the town there might be other third parties that can also win with the town? even if you are the only townie which you’re not then there are bound to be other people who can win with you. what i’m trying to do here is take away your get out of scumhunting free card.

GrootUse your echolaelia and make a catchup post! I’m post restricted in real life so i know what it’s like, but you shouldn’t let it hold you back!

Plotinus · Post Post #513 (isolation #76) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:11 pm

In post 508, massive wrote:Looking for third-person parties that can win with the town is about the most interesting thing anyone has said this game. That's not a bad idea. I assume that's you, Plotinus. And my vote is parked (with reasons) on scum, so I'm not sure why people would think I'm not scum scumhunting.

eh, sure. (i’m not going to quibble about wording since i think that’s as close as you’re going to get to calling me town)

I’m also happy with where your vote is at the moment since we’re sharing a wagon but part of scumhunting is also townhunting (or town aligned 3rd party hunting if you must) and i haven’t seen much effort towards sorting people and figuring them out, you haven’t asked many questions and you’ve said that we’re all scum so why bother a few times so that’s why it didn’t feel like you are scumhunting. Do you have reads aside from me, cooldog, and wgeurts?

Plotinus · Post Post #531 (isolation #77) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:08 pm

@Klingon: massive is on fire and votes for him don’t count. Some people have tried voting him but it doesn’t show up on the vote counts. Join us on cooldog instead. We can try to do massive toMorrow if you want, infinite shot lynchproof is broken so he has to run out of shots eventually.

Plotinus · Post Post #534 (isolation #78) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:09 pm

I made a case against CoolDog in 416.

My notes on oversoul say that he responded fairly calmly to my poking him but he may be buddying me a little (and he did sheep me onto cooldog).

Do you know if being calm under pressure is alignment indicative for him?

It’s true that he hasn’t explained his votes. I’ll look at his ISO in more detail, do my numbers thing, see what happens.

Plotinus · Post Post #535 (isolation #79) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:36 pm

ok, i can see the pr hunting.

he explains his vote on skold in 426. and 467 (but then he unvotes him in that post because I said that skold lurks as scum, when skold has been lurking in this game which is why i said that.)

Spoiler: numbers thing

Actually, the main thing that is jumping out at me right now about oversoul is how static his reads progression on basically everybody is:
cooldog has been scum since post 14 and is still scum.
only neutral interactions with diginova.
only neutral interactions with jeanne except to question why people were voting me (jeanne was at the time). jeanne didn’t respond to this.
mostly left klingon alone but again, all interactions negative.
consistently negative on massive (the ones i marked with +? aren’t really townready sorts of posts, those are good links to follow and look at more closely)
consistently negative on mcmenno except for calling him an easy target when attacking skold
mostly left mew three alone (except to question why people were voting me, which mew was at the time)
neutral towards nachomama except for 101.
Has been consistently townreading me since post 14 (except for a couple things early on that might have been pushes?). I’m historically pretty bad at distinguising being townread from being buddied, though.
consistently negative on skold.
Consistently negative on wgeurts since post 24 though that’s understandable because jester.

his read on maruchan seems to have evolved a bit, but that’s the only one.

Plotinus · Post Post #540 (isolation #80) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:01 am

In post 538, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 269, Plotinus wrote:anywhere near enough townreads and that worries me.

In post 269, Plotinus wrote:everyone else is gibberish.

groot?

If that’s a question about my own reads, I’m still having that problem to some extent, but:
I’ve liked

diginova’s

and

klingoncelt’s

recent posting, though i’m not sure I like how

diginova

is using their ability and their ISO is really short.
I was townleaning

oversoul

for a while but

klingon

is right about the pr hunting and i’m concerned about his lack of reads progression so

oversoul

is worrying me again,

massive

is confusing — “i’m the only member of my faction (but it’s town)” isn’t townish at all but what’s the scum motivation for saying that but anyway he’s lynchproof today so it doesn’t matter,

mcmenno

is still gibberish,
still unsure about

mewthree

but maybe more of a townish null,

maruchan

is more of a scumish null but i need to work on that read some more (i think it’s mostly about how he was being open about his ability and his role pm and the last time i was in a role madness game some of the people who were happy to crumb their roles to players of unknown alignment right at the start (or right after replacing in) tended to be scum, but then half the town roflclaimed too early as well, but it just felt different and it wasn’t half as early as maruchan doing it, but if i try to ignore that aspect i’m more happier with his other posts so idk),
i’d like to see more from

nacho

(though I think his post restriction is affecting his motivation to play this game),

skold

is a scum lean,

wgeurts

is a jester,

cooldog

is still scum.
it is interesting that the

mod

can be voted but i don’t know what that means either. i’ve been resisting the temptation to ask the

mod

if they can win with the town or not because it would just be more fluff and i don’t know if they’d give an answer i could interpret anyway.

So that’s like 2 and a half green names :/ but i think i could be convinced to bump up the scummish nulls a bit. There are still things that worry me about basically everyone, but i’m worried that i’m being too paranoid.

Plotinus · Post Post #545 (isolation #81) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:11 am

In post 543, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 540, Plotinus wrote:klingoncelt’s recent posting,

groot groot groot!
I am Groot!
I am Groot!
I! Am! Groot!

Nachomamma also likes klingoncelt’s recent posting

or

Nachomamma dislikes klingoncelt’s recent posting

?

Plotinus · Post Post #550 (isolation #82) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:17 am

In post 544, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 540, Plotinus wrote:massive is confusing — “i’m the only member of my faction (but it’s town)” isn’t townish at all but what’s the scum motivation for saying that but anyway he’s lynchproof today so it doesn’t matter,

???groot???

I am groot I am groot I am groot

Groot groot! I am Groot!

it is hard when i can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me or not. i’m going to interpret this as “wait, what?”

massive was almost lynched, then he set himself on fire, then he wasn’t lynched after all, then when people tried to vote him, the mods didn’t count it in the votecounts and said he was on fire why would we vote him. so he’s lynchproof, and he’s said being on fire prevents him from using his night actions too. so even if we want to lynch him today, we can’t.

massive has been saying since the beginning that he’s the only townie and everyone else is scum. i saw one of the SE’s doing that in one of my newbie games and he was scum, so that made me suspicious and a lot of other people were suspicious too, that’s why we tried to lynch massive. but he’s been clinging pretty hard to this “only townie in the game” thing and I think if I were scum doing that, once i saw how it was backfiring on me i’d try to pass it off as a reaction test that backfired, and his lack of backpedalling is giving me pause. but he can’t be the only townie in the game so i dunno.

pedit: ok, glad we’re on the same page about klingon. And we seem to be in the same place on oversoul too? his early reactions to pressure seemed okay but he’s being worrisome again.

Plotinus · Post Post #551 (isolation #83) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:26 am

In post 348, freeko wrote:

In post 346, Fromage wrote:Care to name your townreads?
Me.

And my numbers thing for freeko’s slot is here. The lack of reads progression is striking, as is every single slot being a string of - - - - - - - -. (with a little bit of an exception for someone he was buddying).

That’s why massive’s “everyone but me is scum” thing worries me.

Plotinus · Post Post #555 (isolation #84) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:42 am

Oversoul wrote:I don't see how any of those can be construed as PR hunting. I correctly identified Wgeurts and I am only concerned about Massive's PR because it seems like a scum ability.

*double checks your ISO* you spent a lot of posts on it, though, that’s why i could see what klingon was saying. but it’s true that those were the only two slots you were trying to get claims from (you said klingon too at one point but you retracted that in your very next post (less than a minute later) so that was clearly a typo).

i’m more concerned about your lack of reads progression, personally.

(but i’m concerned about my own reads list too, so.)

Plotinus · Post Post #558 (isolation #85) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:53 am

thank you. That helps. I think I was just being paranoid earlier.

with nacho, i want him to use other people’s sentence (and i gave him two games’ worth of his own sentences on top of that) to work around his post restriction because otherwise we have no way of reading him. I gave him sentences for townreading people and scumreading people and dismantling cases and buddying people and asking questions but if he doesn’t use them then there’s not much we can do to read him. I don’t fault anyone for not being able to read him.

Agree about massive. You were right about wgeurts. I agree on CoolDog.

What bothers me about digi is using their role to add a rule like “no tildes or diacritics” which, the tilde part at least, is an easy way for a person to get themselves modkilled by mistake (i sometimes use them to denote something like sarcasm or instead of scare quotes, but i’m being careful). I can think of potential rules that would have a more protown affect than don’t use tildes: a rule against prodging maybe[1] or a rule against fluff posts that don’t further the game or a rule requiring people to mention a read they have on someone in each post.

[1] I haven’t prodged yet in my games (except towards the end of We Didn’t Playtest This when I’d said literally all that I could say and I was just waiting on the hydra to resolve their hydra dissonance about whether to mislynch me or not and they needed time and space to make their decision and they didn’t need anything else from me at the time), but there have been a few times when I wanted to but I took a little extra time to put some game relevant information into the post so it didn’t look like a prodge. It would be protown to have a rule requiring prodges to further the game a little bit.

I hope we do have a vig, because we have to get rid of wgeurts before LYLO since I’m sure quite a few different win conditions would be happy to hammer him then (mafia, survivor, SK, others i can’t think of?). I agree mcmenno would be a good shot after wgeurts.

Plotinus · Post Post #563 (isolation #86) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:12 am

In post 561, CooLDoG wrote:also: if/when plot flips scum oversoul's last town read out of nowhere will be remembered.

how is it out of nowhere when his approach to me hasn’t changed since page 1?

Plotinus · Post Post #567 (isolation #87) » Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:06 am

The explanation of how your ability works makes me feel better about how you used it. If it has to be something about what letters people write in posts, then disallowing diacritics and tildes is an easier global post restriction than other things you could have chosen.

Plotinus · Post Post #582 (isolation #88) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:09 am

In post 581, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 575, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:miss

Groot?

miss is skold. we don’t know why.

Plotinus · Post Post #585 (isolation #89) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:15 am

skold/miss is in my lynchpool, yes.

Plotinus · Post Post #593 (isolation #90) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:28 am

nacho, you’re townleaning cooldog, then?

who else is in your lynchpool? i think when it comes down to it mine is cooldog and skold, with mcmenno a distanter third (not much info to be had from his lynch; he’d be a better vig choice after wgeurts.). i’ll compromise outside of that to avoid no lynch, though.

pedit: okay, well let’s find out.

VOTE: skold

someone else can vote miss.

Plotinus · Post Post #598 (isolation #91) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:37 am

talk to me about mewthree? i had them as a townishnull. lots of fluff from that slot, though. and more setup spec than scumhunting. but that’s true of a lot of people in this game.

Plotinus · Post Post #600 (isolation #92) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:47 am

so you don’t like mewthree’s push on you and you disagree with the push on massive as well? disagree with mewthree voteparking anyone who doesn’t want to lynch massive tomorrow? think it’s an easy way of scumhunting or appearing to scumhunt?

Plotinus · Post Post #603 (isolation #93) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:54 am

I can see that, okay. Thanks for explaining it to me.

pedit: the quotes you put in 602 look like they’re also a bit obsessed with how massive’s ability works.

Plotinus · Post Post #606 (isolation #94) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:04 am

obsessed with massive, and still more interested in playing with game mechanics than in helping consolidate onto a viable lynch candidate when most people are sitting around on vanity wagons.
?

Plotinus · Post Post #609 (isolation #95) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:19 am

ok, then i didn’t understand quoting 577. something about their interaction with wgeurts? being obsessed with massive but then suddenly responding to the jester with a joke vote?

Plotinus · Post Post #612 (isolation #96) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:22 am

oh, i see.

Do you think mew vs massive is SvS or TvS?

Plotinus · Post Post #613 (isolation #97) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:22 am

In post 612, Plotinus wrote:oh, i see.

Do you think mew vs massive is
SvS or SvT
?

EBWOP (got the letters the wrong way around)

Plotinus · Post Post #615 (isolation #98) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:31 am

ok.

I’m remembering when I was scum and my buddy used dice tags to try to decide if he should hammer someone without a claim so i was trying to bus him and i was tunnelling him and i was almost doing well at not looking like i was bussing i think, but after a while I noticed that there were 48 references to wagon in my ISO and almost all of them were commenting on my buddy’s wagon, i’d keep commenting what it meant when it was slow, what it meant when it was fast, kept noticing people resisting his wagon, kept worrying the wagon wasn’t going anywhere, etc. By the time i noticed i was obsessing like that i already had spent way too many posts on the issue. And then it took me two day phases to get him lynched because I’m rubbish at wagondriving. Luckily, no one else figured out what it meant that i was that obsessed with him and I lynched the people who were resisting his wagon and then I won.

but that’s why i asked if you thought it was SvS, because that’s the only time i remember obsessing like that.

Plotinus · Post Post #617 (isolation #99) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:01 am

Sorry, I don’t know. I don’t know what to make of you. That’s why I’m flipflopping: because I can see it both ways. You seem to have a lot of town paranoia which seems town, your ability looks more like a scum ability to me, I think I’m thinking of you as townleaning third party. I guess I have you in there with maruchan somewhere.

The only time i’ve seen someone be lynchproof was in we didn’t playtest this when Brantz had this 3 shot commute thing that let him remove himself from the game entirely (and be unlynchable and be unable to targeted by night actions too) as a result, which your being on fire thing seems somewhat analogous too. Also in my offsite scum game we had a mafia doctor that made the target be lynchproof (there were lots of 1 shot deathproofs townies in the game so surviving a lynch attempt wasn’t as obvious a scum claim as it looked). the 1 shot deathproof townies had it as a passive ability, not an active one.

But I don’t have all that much experience yet and setup spec is hard. The wiki says that lynchproof can show up as all alignments, so it’s possibly a coincidence that i’ve only seen it as a scum role before. If it helps, my opinion on setup spec is that faulty setup spec is why we lost We Didn’t Playtest This so I put more weight on scumhunting.

Plotinus · Post Post #640 (isolation #100) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:55 pm

With 3 days until the deadline why are we playing with mechanics instead of consolidating? we don’t have time for this right now. we can try to lynch purple peanutbutter early toMorrow. we can try to lynch the mod toMorrow. you guys can go back to fluff posting instead of scumhunting toMorrow.

If the people who can win with the town could town up their slots that’d be great. <3

anyway, seems we have an answer to the “do we vote skold or do we vote miss and does voting wrong count as an infraction question”:

In post 593, Plotinus wrote:VOTE: skold

someone else can vote miss.

(i vote skold. nobody voted miss. i continue to have 0 infractions)

In post 627, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
miss (1) - Plotinus

(my vote is counted as if i had voted miss. edited very slightly to remove the tilde because i couldn’t remember if quoting the mod’s tilde use was an infraction or not).

Plotinus · Post Post #642 (isolation #101) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:50 am

My preferred candidate is cooldog but Cooldog has been at L-4 for like a week and nobody else is interested in cooldog. Skold is my second choice and a few people have expressed willingness to vote him but i don’t know if there’s enough support for lynching him because only a few people have posted lynchpools. I could do mewthree after my discussion with nacho. mcmenno is in the “it would be better to vig him, tho” group.

Plotinus · Post Post #666 (isolation #102) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:50 pm

lol. omgus? really?

Plotinus · Post Post #669 (isolation #103) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:26 pm

no, I voted you because you’ve been lurking all game and you tend to do that as scum and because my preferred wagon (cooldog’s) isn’t going anywhere and i’m shit at wagon driving so i don’t know how to make it happen. my vote on you was also partially a test of mechanics to see whether we had to vote you as skold or as miss. (skold works, apparently).

I don’t remember you making a case about me; did I miss it?

Plotinus · Post Post #673 (isolation #104) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:33 pm

DEADLINE SCRAMBLES ARE ANTITOWN

Plotinus · Post Post #675 (isolation #105) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:35 pm

I agree that no lynch is worse. I’m mostly reacting to this purple peanut butter being the leading wagon with 2 days left on the clock.

Plotinus · Post Post #676 (isolation #106) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:41 pm

Also, I like oversoul’s “maybe the mods lied to massive” explanation for the “massive believes they are the only townie” problem.

people who haven’t posted lynchpools should do that.

Plotinus · Post Post #678 (isolation #107) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:03 pm

The thing I don’t understand: there’s presumably a lot of third parties in this game. 3rd parties are by definition by themselves. 3rd parties are similar to townies in this sense because townies feel alone too, town has strength in numbers but we don’t know who our fellow townies are, so we’re lonely too. the only people who have any reason to be resisting certain wagons are people who aren’t lonely, people who are mafia and have scumbuddies. the rest of us, we can resist a wagon on our townreads but we can make a towncase for our townreads instead of the “yeah he’s nullscum but i don’t want to lynch him because then i’ll be lonely” perspective that the mafia has about their buddies.

so why are we all sitting around here at the deadline voting for peanut butter if most of us are town or otherwise people who don’t have a vested interest in keeping a buddy alive?

somewhat unrelatedly, i have a theory about why everybody is lurking but it makes me sad and i’m not sure whether sharing it is protown or antitown. but i think it might be protown because it applies to everybody equally. In this game, we all picked our flavour name based on something that we like, presumably. and I think the mods have done fantastic with the role pms this game and we’re all really excited to have the best role pm ever. and what do you do when you have the best role pm ever? you try to avoid sticking your neck out too far so that you can savour the best role pm ever a little bit longer. i have been doing this too i’ve felt like i’m lurking a lot this game it’s just everyone else has been better at lurking than me.

But the thing is, by lurking the game away, we don’t get to savour the experience of having the best role pm ever, it becomes like that really pretty candle that you bought and it was too pretty to light it so you just left it sitting around until one summer it was too hot and it just melted on its own. It’s like having a cake that’s too pretty to eat so you don’t and then it gets mouldy. And since everyone is doing it, it’s not even achieving its purpose. That only works when you’re the only one in the game with the best role pm ever. when it’s true of everyone, it doesn’t matter.

At pride they gave us little paper rainbow flags on sticks and I played with mine so much that it broke and then I got another and I played with it so much that it broke too but it was better than not playing with it.

Plotinus · Post Post #679 (isolation #108) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:07 pm

VOTE: Cooldog

come on let’s make this happen. i’m willing to compromise within reason but this is the best lynch of the day.

Plotinus · Post Post #682 (isolation #109) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:55 pm

Not really. I mean that’s part of it but here, I’ll make a case (since diginova is right that there’s too much resistance to the cooldog wagon for it to happen. bah.)

15 interesting entrance. made me think you were post restricted and you’ve done a few other poems since then but not in every post so i don’t know what to make of that.

50 early defense of oversoul, who i’m townreading at the moment. could be buddying.

59 flavourfishing nacho?

84 trying to figure out why maruchan wants to policy lynch mcmenno. this is good.

120 early defence of me which while i appreciated it had seemed clear to me at the time that most of the votes on me were rvs votes so i’m not sure they required explanation. possible buddying? i noticed you didn’t try to interact with me much directly even though we’ve played together before.

280 reacts to the jester similarly to how I did. is this your first encounter with a jester too?

377 is mostly wifom about the jester. push on mcmenno is easy but understandable; he should be policy vigged after wgeurts.

464 the tone of this reminds me a lot of

Skold in [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=61418&p=6765532#p6765532]n1596[/url] said wrote:I have no bloody clue if this is serious. But it shouldn't be. Can't we wait until a couple more people have joined? Jesus I have to have OPINIONS already? Fucking OPINIONS? What is the world coming to?

It’s true that I’ve only had one game with you and I haven’t ever seen you as town so I don’t know if you’re like this all the time or not. I’m the first to admit that this weakens my case but it’s not the bulk of my case just a small part of it.

473 is understandable but it doesn’t have much original thought in it.

474 is the entirety of your case on me and it wasn’t even true. (i was taking a stance on you in the very post you were claiming i wasn’t).

665 your vote on me. “a deadline, vote Plot / and break apart this towns clot / one syllable off / - a failed haiku.” my wagon isn’t happening today skold, there isn’t enough support for it. are you behind on your temperature sweeping?

668 you claim that my vote on you was omgus when i was the first of the two of us to take a negative stance on each other (you took a negative stance on me earlier in response to my taking a slightly engative stance to you.) you are lying.

681 this isn’t about meta. and have you missed that my vote was on cooldog for like a week and i got a couple people to join me but most people weren’t interested? several people in the past few pages have expressed interest in voting you. you’re a good compromise lynch choice for me since only a few people agree with me about cooldog.

your ISO isn’t all bad but it’s mostly pretty bland and isn’t filling me with town vibes.

Plotinus · Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:07 pm

VOTE: Skold

will also do cooldog, mcmenno, or mew three.

Plotinus · Post Post #695 (isolation #111) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:32 am

re 694

yes. but in Elemental Mafia after we finished lynching the mafia and we were looking for the 3rd party (an SK) people suddenly started looking at the people who looked like townies and I didn’t understand why and they explained it to me that 3rd parties can blend in with the town easily because they don’t have buddies to have associative tells with.

So why shouldn’t the third parties be doing that in this game too? why shouldn’t they be trying to help us lynch mafia? some of them can probably win with the town because 8 is a lot so there are probably lots of different types, and they want to avoid being nightkilled by scum probably so getting rid of scum works for them. and yet we’re all voting peanut butter instead of consolidating and i don’t understand why.

Plotinus · Post Post #698 (isolation #112) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:44 am

@klingon: *crosses fingers* that is part of what i was trying to do with my candle and cake and paper flags metaphors but you said it more concisely!

@mew i made a case about skold but basically his iso is pretty bland and lacklustre.

Plotinus · Post Post #708 (isolation #113) » Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:44 pm

Skold wrote:I would like to point out that the current case against me is that my iso is ''lackluster'' and that most of the people voting me haven't given a reason. I'd wager at least half of the scum team is on my lynch with at most one townie.

In post 682, Plotinus wrote:Not really. I mean that’s part of it but here, I’ll make a case (since diginova is right that there’s too much resistance to the cooldog wagon for it to happen. bah.)

15 interesting entrance. made me think you were post restricted and you’ve done a few other poems since then but not in every post so i don’t know what to make of that.

50 early defense of oversoul, who i’m townreading at the moment. could be buddying.

59 flavourfishing nacho?

84 trying to figure out why maruchan wants to policy lynch mcmenno. this is good.

120 early defence of me which while i appreciated it had seemed clear to me at the time that most of the votes on me were rvs votes so i’m not sure they required explanation. possible buddying? i noticed you didn’t try to interact with me much directly even though we’ve played together before.

280 reacts to the jester similarly to how I did. is this your first encounter with a jester too?

377 is mostly wifom about the jester. push on mcmenno is easy but understandable; he should be policy vigged after wgeurts.

464 the tone of this reminds me a lot of

Skold in [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=61418&p=6765532#p6765532]n1596[/url] said wrote:I have no bloody clue if this is serious. But it shouldn't be. Can't we wait until a couple more people have joined? Jesus I have to have OPINIONS already? Fucking OPINIONS? What is the world coming to?

It’s true that I’ve only had one game with you and I haven’t ever seen you as town so I don’t know if you’re like this all the time or not. I’m the first to admit that this weakens my case but it’s not the bulk of my case just a small part of it.

473 is understandable but it doesn’t have much original thought in it.

474 is the entirety of your case on me and it wasn’t even true. (i was taking a stance on you in the very post you were claiming i wasn’t).

665 your vote on me. “a deadline, vote Plot / and break apart this towns clot / one syllable off / - a failed haiku.” my wagon isn’t happening today skold, there isn’t enough support for it. are you behind on your temperature sweeping?

668 you claim that my vote on you was omgus when i was the first of the two of us to take a negative stance on each other (you took a negative stance on me earlier in response to my taking a slightly engative stance to you.) you are lying.

681 this isn’t about meta. and have you missed that my vote was on cooldog for like a week and i got a couple people to join me but most people weren’t interested? several people in the past few pages have expressed interest in voting you. you’re a good compromise lynch choice for me since only a few people agree with me about cooldog.

your ISO isn’t all bad but it’s mostly pretty bland and isn’t filling me with town vibes.

Plotinus · Post Post #901 (isolation #114) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:26 pm

I chose the Mathemakitten for similar reasons, CooLDoG. There are pictures of him in the pet thread! He’s cute! I almost changed my avatar to a picture of him for this game but I was in LYLO in my first scum game when this one started I think and I was worried people would be suspicious of the sudden avatar change and then wgeurts was rolefishing for cats on page 1 and so I didn’t. If I had changed my avatar, this game would have gone better for me I think.

I had a lot of fun this game. I totally missed that my night kill was 1-shot, though. This was the best role PM I ever had and probably the best I ever will have and it was a really awesome two weeks. Getting crosskilled for being obvtown sucked but I had a lot of fun rolefishing everyone who came into the dead thread and pretending to submit night actions from the dead thread.

Poor Groot, though. No wonder he wasn’t using the phrases I gave him to scumhunt!

@Mods: thanks for modding and thanks for the best role PM

Plotinus · Post Post #903 (isolation #115) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:35 pm

we would have loved to have you in the dead thread too, klingon!

Plotinus · Post Post #905 (isolation #116) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:06 pm

Thanks!

Plotinus · Post Post #906 (isolation #117) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:09 pm

@Mods: Did mafia a have a name? I was in Mute Mafia and Mewling Mafia, what was the third mafia called?

Plotinus · Post Post #912 (isolation #118) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:16 am

it was a funny accident

I thought you might have a nightkill and he'd claimed protown 3rd party. I thought you were buddying me a little and I was buddying you back so you wouldn't nightkill me.

Plotinus · Post Post #915 (isolation #119) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:03 pm

Aw, nacho. Yeah it must have been rough playing a role like this from a phone. I didn’t just do it for towncred; it was multiball so I needed to scumhunt for real, and your post restriction made your slot unreadable to me, though it seems like your role pm made your slot unreadable to yourself as well!

I wish I’d lasted a little longer this game.