Micro 508: MafiaMafiaNotMafia (Bins' Soup Sucks)

[Lucky2u]

No link in day start pm? Strike one Sala...

[Lucky2u]

Because in his two posts, he hasn't placed a vote.
In Lucky's one post, he also hasn't.

That makes NM twice as anti-town as Lucky. Ergo, he's the scum.
I guess you could say this doesn't make Lucky

not

scum, but considering that NM is, Lucky isn't.

catching up now, wtf was this? was this real logic?

[Lucky2u]

Just humor me and believe it was.

if it was VOTE: edo

[Lucky2u]

TIP for scum outside my group.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: lucky2u

much naked, much unsubstantiated, wow

na, vote with me, not against me.

[Lucky2u]

@lucky - you're scum, apparently. the logic was bad and stupid but why is it scum? who outside of your group is scum?

i pretty much don't like pie's reads at all, so he's town

I'm not but thanks for accusing.

fairly sure TiP is the safe bet in his group, as I already indicated but thanks for reading

I haven't decided on group 1.

[Lucky2u]

Spoiler: Durrrr

Because in his two posts, he hasn't placed a vote.
In Lucky's one post, he also hasn't.

That makes NM twice as anti-town as Lucky. Ergo, he's the scum.
I guess you could say this doesn't make Lucky

not

scum, but considering that NM is, Lucky isn't.

So I guess my scum plan is accomplished because I've successfully convinced you guys that I'm a VI.

Also, I'm willing to buy TIP's explanation for the "slip."

edo you are not the one to be asking people to explain their votes, considering that you did not explain your NM vote initially (and the reason you gave is LOL)

I mean, I guess if you want me to explicitly say:

Hey guys, I'm making an RVS vote. This is RVS. This vote means absolutely nothing and I have no reasoning behind it.

I can. But I prefer this method.

pope, i don't care if you do it every game, but please stop doing it if you do, it's a terrible first impression

I feel like we're dealing with a no-fun-and-games hardass over here.

Just humor me and believe it was.

I would hope that all these posts are enough to assume that I wasn't actually serious with my logic for why NM is scum.
VOTE: Lucky2u
I'm down for this.

I don't care much for the, "clearly I was joking" defense. That means instead of accidentally being useless, you were being purposefully useless. Which is significantly worse. Since now everything you said doesn't matter and it's more scum than town to have made all those posts and not actually have said a thing.

[Lucky2u]

I've played this setup a few times. Never bothered with trying to figure out the all town group. No point. Everyone lynches.

[Lucky2u]

No point tomorrow either.

[Lucky2u]

Hmm... Being such a universal scum read, it reminds me of my early mafia days as lynch bait. It's ok.

[Lucky2u]

Finally finished trying to make sense of Bins' ISO.

VOTE: InflateablePie

bella, you can change this if you want if you explain it to me. let's talk sometime later.


reads:

town to scum:
bins, inflatablepie
parama, {chamber, theirishpope} (not sure about the order here)
not mafia, edosurist, lucky2u

not all that confident in any of these, for what it's worth.

--Plotinus

Epic non-commitment dude

[Lucky2u]

i don't know if lucky is actually mafia or just really stupid town, but i'm absolutely sure about this. chamber is scum.

I am town. After I flip, I expect an apology. There is no need to be rude.

[Lucky2u]

No, honesty is "bad town" which I'll admit to. "stupid town" is an insult. You seem to have confused being honest with being a dick.

[Lucky2u]

NM, can you explain your read on me in a way that's not doge speak since I didn't really understand what the hell you said when you voted me.

[Lucky2u]

Given the last few pages, I am less sure about that group. I'd wager between TiP and Chamber for different reasons. Despite being a dick, I think para is mostly town. The rainbow cat is probably scum in his group. He fence sat in 126 as a disclaimer and I don't like him blatantly asking for direction on reads for you and NM. seems like he is avoiding taking a stance.

[Lucky2u]

i hate missing a day and having so much to catch up on... here goes!

[Lucky2u]

i really need to get over being intimidated by either players I've never played with before or people

i've been wrong about so many times i might cry again

law of averages, you'll eventually be right!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKxGTNwlGL8

great song

Given the last few pages, I am less sure about that group.

I'd wager between TiP and Chamber for different reasons.

Despite being a dick, I think para is mostly town. The rainbow cat is probably scum in his group. He fence sat in 126 as a disclaimer and I don't like him blatantly asking for direction on reads for you and NM. seems like he is avoiding taking a stance.

Dafuq is this? I asked you if chamber is scum, and you gave me info on everybody else EXCEPT for him.

I'm glad to see you have reasoning here. Mind sharing your reasons?

dafuq is this response? you asked if chamber is scum and I answered that I was between him and TiP in that group. As it is impossible for BOTH to be scum, this is a relevant answer to make. why are you misrepresenting my answer as dodging here?

And anticipating that you're gonna ask why I thought my group was the NotMafia, I thought Lucky's touchiness around you indicated that he was town. I've changed my mind since then.

funny how you changing your mind happened around the same time that it was pointed out that claiming our group the all town group was bad...

N_M as well.

that guy only ever makes big posts as scum.

freaky deeky.
one of the main reasons I'm actually ok with him staying under my radar for now.

I have vague recollections of playing on a scum team with N_M and I think that was true then... still, he doesn't get a by for sitting back and doing nothing. I'd like to see him contribute, and especially explain his read on me.

@NM - Did I not ask you for a reads list?

I think Bins is capable of not lol-hammering, so I feel safe with my vote.

I'm liking Bins, she looks like she;s genuinely trying to sort things, she being pretty stream of conciousness, I see nothing really crafted or deliberate in her posting.

My Inflateable Pie is a wtf read, I can barely follow a lot of what he says and when I can I almost never agree with it, gun to my head, I'd probably go town, because what's he's saying is all over the place but there's nothing directly contradictory or anything showing conflicting thought processes.

Rainbow Unicat contains Plotinus, who I know is a solid player as both town and scum, right now I'm null, I don't know Bellaphant too well and she hasn't been the active head. but in regards to Plotinus, she's a very methodical player as both alignments, her style doesn't waver too much, she's not someone I can read too well because she has a conistent style. If I was in that group i'd lynch the hydra just to sort the null read I'm wary of

Viewing your earlier posts in the lens of joking, I can buy it, your play since looks like a sincere attempt to interact with people and play the game.

Lucky... meh, a lynch a default, I can see him being scum, I can see him being town, I couldn't remember anything he posted off the top of my head, reviewing his iso there's not much of anything there and his diatribe about being town rings hollow.

The chamber, parama, TIP group I'm very ambivalent on, I like and agree with a lot of what parama has said on paper, but I still feel he's just casting his net as wide as possible and throwing any legitimate criticish of anyone he can find.

I don't reall have anything new to say about chamber, TIP looks scum but feels town.

oh hey look! he... sort of did? come on N_M this is super weak sauce...

[Lucky2u]

Looks scum but feels town? How does that work?

it works like this... you find a fence, sit on it, and reach behind you with your hands. thus you are feeling one thing and looking at another. That way you can't be held responsible for your actions...

[Lucky2u]

i'm not gonna hammer anytime soon anyways cause i don't know yet

na, go ahead and hammer the rainbow. I think we are done with this day...

[Lucky2u]

on the other hand that's just plain bad.

thanks! you said bad instead of stupid

it's the little things really...

[Lucky2u]

Prodge, catch up tonight

[Lucky2u]

sorry, just catching up now

tbh the only group I'm not confident in is parama/chamber/tip

because i feel like parama/chamber both have the ability to fool me
just because i always struggle interacting with people who seem more serious about the game & i haven't had experience playing w/ or talking to

and then tip is just the opposite
pretty much the type of player i'd jump too fast to scumread



edo/nm/lucky

i can confidently not-wishy-washy townread edo and n_m

really bins? I think edo and N_M are competing for scummiest player in the game at the moment and you town read them?

[Lucky2u]

Ok, I'm catching up as on vla.

Have some questions!

@Bins - thoughts on Pie? Your latest posts looked more like you were scum-leaning them.

@Nm: we played together in Psyche's game, I was scum and we lasted to 3:4. I got lynched on POE. You've also modded a game or two of mine, so not sure why you are so ambivalent at me.

@tip, thoughts on NM? You unvoted Chamber, why?

Para is town. Lucky is prolly scum because there is a distinct lack of questioning/prodding in their iso.

I'm here for questions/comments.

-b

Rainbow, what's the difference between Lucky's ISO and NM's ISO, then?

thanks for asking this for me in my absence... I feel like I am being scum read by several people just because they don't feel like trying. are you guys just looking at the vote count and saying "ok that's probably right"?

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: not mafia

I think I've let NM go for too long under the assumption he was being lazy but I'm willing to admit he is just scum trying to get through day 1 without trying.

[Lucky2u]

@Lucky: we changed our mind on you since then. The difference between your ISO and not mafia's ISO is that you have a little bit of a reads progression and sometimes you take into account new information and change your mind as a result. Not mafia doesn't. He's the scum in your group.

--Plotinus

yea I noticed that, but I post as I catch up so I didn't know that at the time...

[Lucky2u]

New reads list:

Chamber is scum, Not_mafia is scum, so those groups are settled.

I am less confident in group 1 about my reads and will need to ISO each player to draw a more informed conclusion. Will come back to this later.

[Lucky2u]

Edo, comeback and let's lynch nm. We can be friends because he is scum.

[Lucky2u]

Don't really see edos' scum motivation for a vote on me, I'd be an easier mislynch on day 2 and no on ehas given him any real reason not to just vote park on Lucky

You aren't even trying anymore.

Para what can I do for you, my group is done.

[Lucky2u]

is NM trying to flail back to life now that he can't just lurk out my lynch? hold on, let me get to tearing that argument down.

[Lucky2u]

It's just easier/est for me to get reads off and engage based on people's reads/attacks on me

this is a horrible play style if true, but it's actually just his excuse for being lazy this game. as parama pointed out, this means you would be useless for anything that doesn't have to do with you. since scum has to avoid their own lynch and town has to seek out a lynch target in the other players, who does this playstyle benefit more NM?

Why do you have Lucky pegged for scum now when he was null to you earlier?
Why is TIP town?
And Parama?

He's just coasting, coaxing my lyjch along, hoping to sneak in to day 2

Partly cos I think scum is Unicat+Lucky, partly cos I think his resignation to his lynch looks town

that is the definition of the pot calling the kettle black. and I am not coaxing anything, that implies subtly. I am being very blunt now that I would like you lynched.

so part of your reason for TiP town is tunnel vision? that's a solid read.

He's just coasting, coaxing my lyjch along, hoping to sneak in to day 2

To be fair, I feel like you've been doing much of the same. And how has this been enough to change your read from null to scum? He's your only strong scumread, and this looks like fairly weak reasoning for it.

What I should be trying to say is: Why is Lucky, of all people, your single confident scumread? He arguably has the least content. You'd think that with all that Uni (or anyone else) has been posting, you'd be able to be more confident in that, one way or the other.

He looks like he's genuinely trying to figure out the game, he's capable of this as scum, but

I've like his read progression and found it marries up with some of mine

Yah. It matches because you only have two reads scummier than null and 78% of the players are town, so freakin everyone else is town to you guys. And of course, you guys disagree on those scum slots, so I don't even know why you'd bother mentioning this.

Because Lucky just pops up to make potshots every now and then, and does nothing else

please point out how you've done any different. you've only become more vocal in your pot shots as the momentum in our group switched to your own lynch. while I was still voting edo and asking you for an explanation on your vote on me you ignored the question multiple times. by your own admission (see the first quote in this post) that should have been when you engaged me but you ignored me. you are a liar, you are scum.

p-edit: parama wins the award for town dick.

[Lucky2u]

parama wins the award for town random fact spewer, you can't discredit me by calling me a dick over and over

how is it a discredit to call you town?

[Lucky2u]

also why are you wasting your time making a case on a player who's already being lynched, ffs

and a quote stripes one too

who even cares at this point.

fair enough, since I agree with the TiP lynch, I shall give my input on the remaining group.

[Lucky2u]

parama wins the award for town random fact spewer, you can't discredit me by calling me a dick over and over

how is it a discredit to call you town?

no seriously, answer this question. because I have a serious problem with you setting up my lynch tomorrow by falsely claiming I am discreditting you.

[Lucky2u]

god i hate this group.

why would you think calling me town is going to make me happier?

you tried to discredit my attack on your activity by calling me a dick, i call you out for it, and then you oh so smugly go "but i called you town, how is that a discredit" like the cheekiest of scums would

did I say I wanted to make you happier? Let me be less subtle then when I said it earlier. I don't like you. So if I read you town, it pains me because I rather enjoying lynching people I don't like. However I won't let my personal opinion sway my vote.

i actually wasn't calling you scum in the post where i said you were discredting me, fwiw

and i never said it was a discredit to call me town, because it isn't

you know
full well
what i meant

youre right you specifically said calling you a "dick" is discreditting you and left out the town, but I don't beleive that either. however arguing this gets us into semantics where I say that you meant the whole statement and you say you only mean the "dick" part.

[Lucky2u]

mafia is not just about what's said, etc
if you read me town,

why did you immediately go to accusing me of setting up lynches?

this is stupid i agree but it still makes me feel bad about you, a lot, since i'm actually not arguing semantics at all, but you seem to want to

players regularly have doubts and tend to want to explore them (sort of like what you are doing right now). that's a very basic concept of the game.

why did you say that me calling you a dick is discreditting you? you told me earlier you don't deny being one. you raised my suspicion because I called you a dick once, and it slid off your shoulder. I called you a dick a second time and I am attempting to discredit you. Can you see the leap?

I don't want to argue semantics at all, hence why I ended the previous statement there and didn't make a paragraph post about it.

[Lucky2u]

I see there is still some confusion here. allow me to fully explain the exchange then.

shut up,

you're lurking too

the bolded is you being a dick, thus getting a reaction from me. the remaining is the point you are making. I do not contest, nor did I contest the point you made. If you had left out the bolded, your point would have been totally valid still and not gotten a sarcastic reply from me. tone is a fickle thing on a forum (ie. earlier you said I was being cheeky in my statements when I thought I was being matter-of-fact.). the statement "you're lurking too" is at worst neutral. the statment "shut up, you're lurking too" is at best rude.

parama wins the award for town dick.

my sarcastic response in exasperation does not reference your point, does not reference your ability to scum hunt, does not attack any of your reads, and does not call you scum. it was an afterthought to the post.

[Lucky2u]

i am being a dick, but a correct dick

i agree

[Lucky2u]

Well atleast I was right about Parama... You will (not) be missed.

[Lucky2u]

I don't think we were the all town group. Chamber is too much of a setup for us to mislynch. That leaves Edo and one scum in the other group.

[Lucky2u]

Getting strong gut scum read from Edo....

[Lucky2u]

This is a hell a group of 5...

Alright Edo. After looking at day 1 again I'm willing to bite we are the town group.

VOTE: chamber

[Lucky2u]

Bins on gut but I'll read them both after work.

[Lucky2u]

There is no safe vote in LyLo. If you think it's me and you're town, vote me. Don't probe for group approval.

[Lucky2u]

That's OK Bins, yours bugs me too :p

[Lucky2u]

ikkcoocodosllcldls

Dafuq is this?

Lucky, are you phone posting?

Yes. I'm work.

[Lucky2u]

Wow... "I'm at work." and tired apparently.

[Lucky2u]

That's the first I'm hearing about this.

I didn't like your indecisiveness all day on your own group and it felt really non commital when you hammered. You also threw down doubt on my group in your hammer vote. Seemed scummy to do.

[Lucky2u]

It's ok Edo. You tried.

[Lucky2u]

The fact that you were watching that whole time and only posted once is unsettling, though.

Huh?

[Lucky2u]

Yea, work at this hour is me sitting around refreshing.

[Lucky2u]

Why didn't you consider that I maybe watching the thread because I have a vote on the field and are watching for the quick hammer.

[Lucky2u]

It's LyLo, I'm paranoid. That should answer both questions.

[Lucky2u]

I see it as chamber-Bins team or Lucky-Unicat.

tbh I'm talking a lot about WIFOM but every kill would have had a lot of WIFOM

so Bella talking about why ____ (me and them) didn't die is ikkcoocodosllcldls
but I can understand the immediate reaction to the kill


yeah I think I'm most comfortable with lynching lucky, then chamber, then bellaplot, then Edos
more posting from chamber required

I just had a thought about bins reads. Here she states that she suspects chamber more than rainbow. she indicated previously that she believed that she thought her group was all town when she hammered and has done little to prove that thought has changed. by her preferred reads, if Bins is town, that leaves her with the following two combinations ChamberxLucky and ChamberxEdo. I should not be first on her preferred lynch order. if she thinks the scum team is chamber and me, which her above post suggests since we are one two on the list, then chamber is the safer lynch (something she indicated she wants) since he doesn't have an alive partner. even if she strongly reads edos town, it's still a risk lynch me first since she could be wrong and lose the game if edos is just playing a good scum game. However if Bins is scum, and chamber is her partner, this behavior would make sense for a scum team going for the win today rather than risk tomorrow.

[Lucky2u]

Somebody let me know if I did something wrong. If not, I'll move forward with this list.

Maybe I'm missing something but why in your logic can chambers poverty not include a scenario where you are scum?

[Lucky2u]

Thoroughly convinced of bins and chamber team.

[Lucky2u]

I wait with baited breath...

[Lucky2u]

no i don't, town never needs to convince others they are town. if they need to do that, they aren't town, or they are talking to scum. the latter is the case here, as I've said earlier, you are scum with chamber. let's hammer this and go into the final day please.

[Lucky2u]

I would be up for talking to lucky - I'm towning you hard, and I know some of it is I'm impressed by your effort-ing this day phase, but you look genuine. I think we're ready to vote, but we're a little hesitant after being wrong about EVERYTHING yesterday. I think if we don't get our interactions by tonight, we're voting.

-b

Alright. What are your reservations against Bins as scum. For me it's become fairly obvious.

[Lucky2u]

Well since you aren't asking me to change your mind. Go ahead and hammer. gg scum.

[Lucky2u]

several thoughts.

its bittersweet being right in the end.

if you are town in lylo and 4 people have expressed interest in lynching the 5th, you are doing something wrong.

edo, i wasn't lurking. I just wasn't incredibly active, if i was lurking I would have been prodded. by the end of the game I still had 9 more posts than chamber. you lynched me because you were wrong, just accept it.

para, it's not a matter of taking things personally, I just don't like playing with rude people. Night killing you was the right move by scum, you were too good.

Bins, I shall have my vengeance.... seriously though good game. 560 is when I truly realized you were scum. If rainbow had stated his intent to vote me rather than just leave it open for your hammer, I might have attempted another case, but I highly doubt I would have won the impending 3 person lylo against you.

[Lucky2u]

also thanks sala for modding! I liked the flavor.

also thanks sala for modding! I liked the flavor.

also thanks sala for modding! I liked the flavor.