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Post Post #475 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:26 pm

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In post 431, Not_Mafia wrote:It's just easier/est for me to get reads off and engage based on people's reads/attacks on me

this is a horrible play style if true, but it's actually just his excuse for being lazy this game. as parama pointed out, this means you would be useless for anything that doesn't have to do with you. since scum has to avoid their own lynch and town has to seek out a lynch target in the other players, who does this playstyle benefit more NM?

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In post 439, Edosurist wrote:Why do you have Lucky pegged for scum now when he was null to you earlier?
Why is TIP town?
And Parama?


He's just coasting, coaxing my lyjch along, hoping to sneak in to day 2

Partly cos I think scum is Unicat+Lucky, partly cos I think his resignation to his lynch looks town


that is the definition of the pot calling the kettle black. and I am not coaxing anything, that implies subtly. I am being very blunt now that I would like you lynched.

so part of your reason for TiP town is tunnel vision? that's a solid read.

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In post 452, Edosurist wrote:
In post 441, Not_Mafia wrote:He's just coasting, coaxing my lyjch along, hoping to sneak in to day 2

To be fair, I feel like you've been doing much of the same. And how has this been enough to change your read from null to scum? He's your only strong scumread, and this looks like fairly weak reasoning for it.

What I should be trying to say is: Why is Lucky, of all people, your single confident scumread? He arguably has the least content. You'd think that with all that Uni (or anyone else) has been posting, you'd be able to be more confident in that, one way or the other.

He looks like he's genuinely trying to figure out the game, he's capable of this as scum, but
I've like his read progression and found it marries up with some of mine

Yah. It matches because you only have two reads scummier than null and 78% of the players are town, so freakin everyone else is town to you guys. And of course, you guys disagree on those scum slots, so I don't even know why you'd bother mentioning this.


Because Lucky just pops up to make potshots every now and then, and does nothing else



please point out how you've done any different. you've only become more vocal in your pot shots as the momentum in our group switched to your own lynch. while I was still voting edo and asking you for an explanation on your vote on me you ignored the question multiple times. by your own admission (see the first quote in this post) that should have been when you engaged me but you ignored me. you are a liar, you are scum.

p-edit: parama wins the award for town dick.
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Post Post #476 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:27 pm

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parama wins the award for town random fact spewer, you can't discredit me by calling me a dick over and over
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Post Post #477 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:31 pm

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also why are you wasting your time making a case on a player who's already being lynched, ffs

and a quote stripes one too

who even cares at this point.
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Post Post #478 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:38 pm

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In post 476, Parama wrote:parama wins the award for town random fact spewer, you can't discredit me by calling me a dick over and over


how is it a discredit to call you town?
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Post Post #479 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:40 pm

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In post 477, Parama wrote:also why are you wasting your time making a case on a player who's already being lynched, ffs

and a quote stripes one too

who even cares at this point.


fair enough, since I agree with the TiP lynch, I shall give my input on the remaining group.
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Post Post #480 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:41 pm

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guys, I think lucky is scum... ugh.
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Post Post #481 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:42 pm

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god i hate this group.

why would you think calling me town is going to make me happier? you tried to discredit my attack on your activity by calling me a dick, i call you out for it, and then you oh so smugly go "but i called you town, how is that a discredit" like the cheekiest of scums would
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Post Post #482 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:43 pm

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In post 478, Lucky2u wrote:
In post 476, Parama wrote:parama wins the award for town random fact spewer, you can't discredit me by calling me a dick over and over


how is it a discredit to call you town?


no seriously, answer this question. because I have a serious problem with you setting up my lynch tomorrow by falsely claiming I am discreditting you.
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Post Post #483 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:45 pm

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i actually wasn't calling you scum in the post where i said you were discredting me, fwiw

and i never said it was a discredit to call me town, because it isn't

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Post Post #484 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:51 pm

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In post 481, Parama wrote:god i hate this group.

why would you think calling me town is going to make me happier?
you tried to discredit my attack on your activity by calling me a dick, i call you out for it, and then you oh so smugly go "but i called you town, how is that a discredit" like the cheekiest of scums would


did I say I wanted to make you happier? Let me be less subtle then when I said it earlier. I don't like you. So if I read you town, it pains me because I rather enjoying lynching people I don't like. However I won't let my personal opinion sway my vote.

In post 483, Parama wrote:i actually wasn't calling you scum in the post where i said you were discredting me, fwiw

and i never said it was a discredit to call me town, because it isn't


you know
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youre right you specifically said calling you a "dick" is discreditting you and left out the town, but I don't beleive that either. however arguing this gets us into semantics where I say that you meant the whole statement and you say you only mean the "dick" part.
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Post Post #485 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:54 pm

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mafia is not just about what's said, etc
if you read me town, why did you immediately go to accusing me of setting up lynches?

this is stupid i agree but it still makes me feel bad about you, a lot, since i'm actually not arguing semantics at all, but you seem to want to
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Post Post #486 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:09 pm

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In post 485, Parama wrote:mafia is not just about what's said, etc
if you read me town,
why did you immediately go to accusing me of setting up lynches?


this is stupid i agree but it still makes me feel bad about you, a lot, since i'm actually not arguing semantics at all, but you seem to want to

players regularly have doubts and tend to want to explore them (sort of like what you are doing right now). that's a very basic concept of the game.

why did you say that me calling you a dick is discreditting you? you told me earlier you don't deny being one. you raised my suspicion because I called you a dick once, and it slid off your shoulder. I called you a dick a second time and I am attempting to discredit you. Can you see the leap?

I don't want to argue semantics at all, hence why I ended the previous statement there and didn't make a paragraph post about it.
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Post Post #487 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:19 pm

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and there's a difference between calling me a dick in passing and calling me a dick to try and discredit a point i made
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Post Post #488 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:29 pm

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Actually, Parama had a completely valid point.
You have been lurking. He's not being a dick.
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Post Post #489 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:35 pm

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i am being a dick, but a correct dick
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Post Post #490 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:45 pm

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I see there is still some confusion here. allow me to fully explain the exchange then.
In post 474, Parama wrote:
shut up,
you're lurking too

the bolded is you being a dick, thus getting a reaction from me. the remaining is the point you are making. I do not contest, nor did I contest the point you made. If you had left out the bolded, your point would have been totally valid still and not gotten a sarcastic reply from me. tone is a fickle thing on a forum (ie. earlier you said I was being cheeky in my statements when I thought I was being matter-of-fact.). the statement "you're lurking too" is at worst neutral. the statment "shut up, you're lurking too" is at best rude.

parama wins the award for town dick.


my sarcastic response in exasperation does not reference your point, does not reference your ability to scum hunt, does not attack any of your reads, and does not call you scum. it was an afterthought to the post.
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Post Post #491 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:46 pm

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In post 489, Parama wrote:i am being a dick, but a correct dick

i agree
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Post Post #492 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:01 pm

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Post Post #493 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:08 pm

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yeah, there's not really a reason to drag out this day any longer.

tho i wanna say a quick piece first. re: groups. in case i die tonight.

the scum are gonna want to steer discussion outside of their own group more towards the all-town group than the group their partner is in, so i think it would be helpful to figure out which group is generally the most talked about by people not in that group. not that it'd be 100% but i imagine that would make figuring out the all-town group simpler. i sort of noticed that both scum tended towards discussing the all-town group more than their partners' group in the one game i read, though it wasn't like a massive difference iirc, but. helpful to do, i'm sure, and that's why i'mma look harder at that big relational post rainbow made, or someone needs to look harder at it if i'm dead i'unno
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Post Post #494 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:44 pm

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wanted to update the interactions thing and it’s something i can do while snuggling my cat and not have to use my non existant interaction skills to talk to people (+ i think all that can be said about this gameday has been said already. it’s notmaf/tip and if it isn’t then it’s lucky/idek)

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Spoiler: BINS
Chamber = + == - - == ==

Edosurist - == + -? + + = = =

InflatablePie = = = = = -? = - - ==? - - = - - == - - - +- == -== -

Lucky2u - - ==? - - = =

Not_mafia v = + == + + + = - - + + -? + - == = =

Parama = - +== = + + = + = = - == + + + +

Rainbow_Unicat v = = +== = = -u = = -= == = = + + == = = +== +

TheIrishPope - - = = - - -== = + == - -


Spoiler: INFLATABLEPIE
Bins v - = = - = -?= + + = = + + +? + + + = = +

Chamber + + + +

Edosurist + - + + + + + +

Lucky2U - + + + + + +

Not_Mafia - +-== + + + _ -

Parama = = - = - = = - - - - -? = - =

Rainbow_Unicat + - -v u v - - = - + -? - - + + + - - +? u -

TheIrishPope + = + - - - +== + - = - -


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Spoiler: CHAMBER
Para: = v - - = = = - - = = - - = = - = - - - - - - +- = =

Edo =

Nm =

Tip - = = - - = = - v -

Rainbow = = -



Spoiler: PARAMA
Bins + + = = = = = -?= + == = +? + + + + = = + + =

Chamber - = = - = -?= -v - - - - - - - = - = = - - = - = - - = - - - - - - =? = = =? = == + -?

Edosurist = - == = -= - = = = - = +?=? = - - = -? + +? -? - + = =? = -= - = =

Inflatable_Pie == = -?= + + = = = + + + + +? + +? + = = + = -

Lucky2u = - +? - - = -?= - -== - = == == - +-== + = = -? + -? -? + = = + -? -= - = - - - - - = -

Not_Mafia = + -?= = = - = - - = = = - - -? - = =? -? - = - - - = -= +? = -

Rainbow_Unicat - - - - - - = = = +? + - = = + = =? + + + = - - =

TheIrishPope v - - -? - = -?= = = = - = - - - = - - - - -? - - - =? = v - - - - - - -== - - - = = - - -


Spoiler: THEIRISHPOPE
bins = -? = +

chamber = - + - - v u = - = =

edos - - - - -

lucky + +

not_mafia - - - - =

parama + - - = = = - - - = - - = - = =

pie +

uni + - =

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Spoiler: EDOSURIST
Bins + + = = +?

Chamber = - - == == - =

InflateablePie == - = -?

Lucky2u + + + = v -+ = - - = = = +? = -

NotMaf -+v - - = ==+ = = + v - - = - = - -

Parama = +?= = = + + + = = = = = = = = +

Rainbow Unicat - -? = + = +?

TheIrishPope + = - - - -? -


Spoiler: LUCKY2U
Edo - v- - - + - - - +

Tip - - - = + = -

Nm: + + = = =- - - v- - - - - -

Para = = = = = + + = + + + + + + - +? =? +? +

pie == + ==

bins == + + -?= ==

unicat == = - - - - = ==

chamb - - +

Spoiler: NOT_MAFIA
bins - = + + +

chamber + - - + = == = -? + +

edosurist - - = + = + = + = + = = = =

lucky2u -v = -+== = - - - - -

parama - = = = == = = + = = +

pie - -+== == +==

rainbow unicat ==- = - -== = -== - = =

tip - = - == = +? +? - +== + +


i can't translate this into words right now but maybe i wordsed the previous one? i don't really remember. but here's the legend for trying to words it yourselves tomorrow if we're nightkilled

Spoiler: LEGEND FOR +- THING
+ working together with somebody, townreading them, defending them, buddying them, helping them, allying with them
- working against somebody, scumreading them, attacking them, pushing them, discrediting them
= neutral interactions, usually quoting somebody without either attacking or defending them, sometimes these are just interactions about setup spec or passing mentions of a slot, sometimes this is responding to a case someone made against you without making it clear whether you’re scumreading them in return or townreading them.
== stating explicitly that a person is a null read
? I didn’t understand this reaction. this modifies a previous symbol, so +? means “is this an interaction with a townread?” and -? means “is this an interaction with a scumread?” and +?-? means i have no clue what’s going on in that post.
v votes
u unvotes but only if someone says who they’re unvoting because i’m lazy


One of the easiest things to watch for is static unchanging reads. if someone has a group of townreads and another group of scum reads from rvs until like day 3 and none of that changes at all, or hardly at all, or they only change their mind very reluctantly, that’s worrisome and it’s easy to spot because it’ll just be +++++++ or ------------ and nothing in between (except possibly some = that don’t mean anything).

Interacting more with people you know well than with strangers is null.

Key places to look at are where a townread turns into a scumread or visa versa.

A string of + - + - + - interactions, especially early on, is often someone trying to sort someone else. That’s not the only way sorting can look but it’s one way it can look.

Anything with question marks is good to look at. Any post that is asigned more than one symbol: +- or +== or -==, those are good to look at because there’s usually something interesting there. += means that a townread is explained. v is a naked vote, it would be v- if the vote is explained.

A string of ++++++ can be as innocuous as two townies mutually townreading each other. It could be buddying. It could be townreading someone who is buddying you. It is pretty unlikely to be SvS and I don’t know why people kept thinking that in refraction after I was dead.

A death tunnel looks like - - - - - - - - - - - - - -. maybe with some = interspersed.

It’s important to take playstyle into account.

If you build a case based on this you have to actually follow at least some of the links to see whether what you’re saying makes sense.


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Post Post #495 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:49 pm

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Post Post #496 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:06 am

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I really just don't know what to do in this setup at this point. Sorry for the lack of activity over the last week. I'll make an effort to think of how to proceed.
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Post Post #497 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:41 am

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Bins -
InflatablePie - Rainbow

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TheIrishPope - Chamber, Parama

Parama -
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Not_Mafia - Lucky2u, Edosurist

Lucky2U - Not Mafia

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Post Post #498 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:20 am

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I'm just not that happy with group 3.


But yeah , my access is going to be limited towards deadline

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Post Post #499 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:49 am

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Bins -
InflatablePie - Rainbow, Bins


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Parama -
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Lucky2U - Not Mafia

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