Micro 508: MafiaMafiaNotMafia (Bins' Soup Sucks)
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In post 31, Edosurist wrote:Because in his two posts, he hasn't placed a vote.
In Lucky's one post, he also hasn't.
That makes NM twice as anti-town as Lucky. Ergo, he's the scum.
I guess you could say this doesn't make Luckynotscum, but considering that NM is, Lucky isn't.
catching up now, wtf was this? was this real logic?-
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In post 92, Parama wrote:@lucky - you're scum, apparently. the logic was bad and stupid but why is it scum? who outside of your group is scum?
i pretty much don't like pie's reads at all, so he's town
I'm not but thanks for accusing.
fairly sure TiP is the safe bet in his group, as I already indicated but thanks for reading
I haven't decided on group 1.-
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In post 84, Edosurist wrote:Spoiler: Durrrr
I would hope that all these posts are enough to assume that I wasn't actually serious with my logic for why NM is scum.
VOTE: Lucky2u
I'm down for this.
I don't care much for the, "clearly I was joking" defense. That means instead of accidentally being useless, you were being purposefully useless. Which is significantly worse. Since now everything you said doesn't matter and it's more scum than town to have made all those posts and not actually have said a thing.-
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In post 126, Rainbow Unicat wrote:Finally finished trying to make sense of Bins' ISO.
VOTE: InflateablePie
bella, you can change this if you want if you explain it to me. let's talk sometime later.
reads:
town to scum:
bins, inflatablepie
parama, {chamber, theirishpope} (not sure about the order here)
not mafia, edosurist, lucky2u
not all that confident in any of these, for what it's worth.
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In post 130, Parama wrote:i don't know if lucky is actually mafia or just really stupid town, but i'm absolutely sure about this. chamber is scum.
I am town. After I flip, I expect an apology. There is no need to be rude.-
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Given the last few pages, I am less sure about that group. I'd wager between TiP and Chamber for different reasons. Despite being a dick, I think para is mostly town. The rainbow cat is probably scum in his group. He fence sat in 126 as a disclaimer and I don't like him blatantly asking for direction on reads for you and NM. seems like he is avoiding taking a stance.-
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In post 190, Bins wrote:i really need to get over being intimidated by either players I've never played with before or peoplei've been wrong about so many times i might cry again
law of averages, you'll eventually be right!
great song
In post 197, Edosurist wrote:
In post 188, Lucky2u wrote:Given the last few pages, I am less sure about that group.I'd wager between TiP and Chamber for different reasons.Despite being a dick, I think para is mostly town. The rainbow cat is probably scum in his group. He fence sat in 126 as a disclaimer and I don't like him blatantly asking for direction on reads for you and NM. seems like he is avoiding taking a stance.
Dafuq is this? I asked you if chamber is scum, and you gave me info on everybody else EXCEPT for him.
I'm glad to see you have reasoning here. Mind sharing your reasons?
dafuq is this response? you asked if chamber is scum and I answered that I was between him and TiP in that group. As it is impossible for BOTH to be scum, this is a relevant answer to make. why are you misrepresenting my answer as dodging here?
In post 198, Edosurist wrote:And anticipating that you're gonna ask why I thought my group was the NotMafia, I thought Lucky's touchiness around you indicated that he was town. I've changed my mind since then.
funny how you changing your mind happened around the same time that it was pointed out that claiming our group the all town group was bad...
In post 232, Bins wrote:N_M as well.
that guy only ever makes big posts as scum.
freaky deeky.
one of the main reasons I'm actually ok with him staying under my radar for now.
I have vague recollections of playing on a scum team with N_M and I think that was true then... still, he doesn't get a by for sitting back and doing nothing. I'd like to see him contribute, and especially explain his read on me.
In post 256, Not_Mafia wrote:In post 249, Edosurist wrote:@NM - Did I not ask you for a reads list?
I think Bins is capable of not lol-hammering, so I feel safe with my vote.
I'm liking Bins, she looks like she;s genuinely trying to sort things, she being pretty stream of conciousness, I see nothing really crafted or deliberate in her posting.
My Inflateable Pie is a wtf read, I can barely follow a lot of what he says and when I can I almost never agree with it, gun to my head, I'd probably go town, because what's he's saying is all over the place but there's nothing directly contradictory or anything showing conflicting thought processes.
Rainbow Unicat contains Plotinus, who I know is a solid player as both town and scum, right now I'm null, I don't know Bellaphant too well and she hasn't been the active head. but in regards to Plotinus, she's a very methodical player as both alignments, her style doesn't waver too much, she's not someone I can read too well because she has a conistent style. If I was in that group i'd lynch the hydra just to sort the null read I'm wary of
Viewing your earlier posts in the lens of joking, I can buy it, your play since looks like a sincere attempt to interact with people and play the game.Lucky... meh, a lynch a default, I can see him being scum, I can see him being town, I couldn't remember anything he posted off the top of my head, reviewing his iso there's not much of anything there and his diatribe about being town rings hollow.
The chamber, parama, TIP group I'm very ambivalent on, I like and agree with a lot of what parama has said on paper, but I still feel he's just casting his net as wide as possible and throwing any legitimate criticish of anyone he can find.
I don't reall have anything new to say about chamber, TIP looks scum but feels town.
oh hey look! he... sort of did? come on N_M this is super weak sauce...-
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In post 257, TheIrishPope wrote:Looks scum but feels town? How does that work?
it works like this... you find a fence, sit on it, and reach behind you with your hands. thus you are feeling one thing and looking at another. That way you can't be held responsible for your actions...-
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In post 262, Bins wrote:i'm not gonna hammer anytime soon anyways cause i don't know yet
na, go ahead and hammer the rainbow. I think we are done with this day...-
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In post 265, Parama wrote:on the other hand that's just plain bad.
thanks! you said bad instead of stupid
it's the little things really...-
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sorry, just catching up now
In post 286, Bins wrote:tbh the only group I'm not confident in is parama/chamber/tip
because i feel like parama/chamber both have the ability to fool me
just because i always struggle interacting with people who seem more serious about the game & i haven't had experience playing w/ or talking to
and then tip is just the opposite
pretty much the type of player i'd jump too fast to scumread
edo/nm/lucky
i can confidently not-wishy-washy townread edo and n_m
really bins? I think edo and N_M are competing for scummiest player in the game at the moment and you town read them?-
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In post 302, Rainbow Unicat wrote:Ok, I'm catching up as on vla.
Have some questions!
@Bins - thoughts on Pie? Your latest posts looked more like you were scum-leaning them.
@Nm: we played together in Psyche's game, I was scum and we lasted to 3:4. I got lynched on POE. You've also modded a game or two of mine, so not sure why you are so ambivalent at me.
@tip, thoughts on NM? You unvoted Chamber, why?
Para is town. Lucky is prolly scum because there is a distinct lack of questioning/prodding in their iso.
I'm here for questions/comments.
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In post 304, Parama wrote:Rainbow, what's the difference between Lucky's ISO and NM's ISO, then?
thanks for asking this for me in my absence... I feel like I am being scum read by several people just because they don't feel like trying. are you guys just looking at the vote count and saying "ok that's probably right"?-
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In post 349, Rainbow Unicat wrote:@Lucky: we changed our mind on you since then. The difference between your ISO and not mafia's ISO is that you have a little bit of a reads progression and sometimes you take into account new information and change your mind as a result. Not mafia doesn't. He's the scum in your group.
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yea I noticed that, but I post as I catch up so I didn't know that at the time...-
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In post 421, Not_Mafia wrote:Don't really see edos' scum motivation for a vote on me, I'd be an easier mislynch on day 2 and no on ehas given him any real reason not to just vote park on Lucky
You aren't even trying anymore.
Para what can I do for you, my group is done.-
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In post 431, Not_Mafia wrote:It's just easier/est for me to get reads off and engage based on people's reads/attacks on me
this is a horrible play style if true, but it's actually just his excuse for being lazy this game. as parama pointed out, this means you would be useless for anything that doesn't have to do with you. since scum has to avoid their own lynch and town has to seek out a lynch target in the other players, who does this playstyle benefit more NM?
In post 441, Not_Mafia wrote:In post 439, Edosurist wrote:Why do you have Lucky pegged for scum now when he was null to you earlier?
Why is TIP town?
And Parama?
He's just coasting, coaxing my lyjch along, hoping to sneak in to day 2
Partly cos I think scum is Unicat+Lucky, partly cos I think his resignation to his lynch looks town
that is the definition of the pot calling the kettle black. and I am not coaxing anything, that implies subtly. I am being very blunt now that I would like you lynched.
so part of your reason for TiP town is tunnel vision? that's a solid read.
In post 460, Not_Mafia wrote:In post 452, Edosurist wrote:In post 441, Not_Mafia wrote:He's just coasting, coaxing my lyjch along, hoping to sneak in to day 2
To be fair, I feel like you've been doing much of the same. And how has this been enough to change your read from null to scum? He's your only strong scumread, and this looks like fairly weak reasoning for it.
What I should be trying to say is: Why is Lucky, of all people, your single confident scumread? He arguably has the least content. You'd think that with all that Uni (or anyone else) has been posting, you'd be able to be more confident in that, one way or the other.
He looks like he's genuinely trying to figure out the game, he's capable of this as scum, butI've like his read progression and found it marries up with some of mine
Yah. It matches because you only have two reads scummier than null and 78% of the players are town, so freakin everyone else is town to you guys. And of course, you guys disagree on those scum slots, so I don't even know why you'd bother mentioning this.
Because Lucky just pops up to make potshots every now and then, and does nothing else
please point out how you've done any different. you've only become more vocal in your pot shots as the momentum in our group switched to your own lynch. while I was still voting edo and asking you for an explanation on your vote on me you ignored the question multiple times. by your own admission (see the first quote in this post) that should have been when you engaged me but you ignored me. you are a liar, you are scum.
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In post 476, Parama wrote:parama wins the award for town random fact spewer, you can't discredit me by calling me a dick over and over
how is it a discredit to call you town?-
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In post 477, Parama wrote:also why are you wasting your time making a case on a player who's already being lynched, ffs
and a quote stripes one too
who even cares at this point.
fair enough, since I agree with the TiP lynch, I shall give my input on the remaining group.-
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In post 478, Lucky2u wrote:In post 476, Parama wrote:parama wins the award for town random fact spewer, you can't discredit me by calling me a dick over and over
how is it a discredit to call you town?
no seriously, answer this question. because I have a serious problem with you setting up my lynch tomorrow by falsely claiming I am discreditting you.-
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In post 481, Parama wrote:god i hate this group.
why would you think calling me town is going to make me happier?you tried to discredit my attack on your activity by calling me a dick, i call you out for it, and then you oh so smugly go "but i called you town, how is that a discredit" like the cheekiest of scums would
did I say I wanted to make you happier? Let me be less subtle then when I said it earlier. I don't like you. So if I read you town, it pains me because I rather enjoying lynching people I don't like. However I won't let my personal opinion sway my vote.
In post 483, Parama wrote:i actually wasn't calling you scum in the post where i said you were discredting me, fwiw
and i never said it was a discredit to call me town, because it isn't
you know
full well
what i meant
youre right you specifically said calling you a "dick" is discreditting you and left out the town, but I don't beleive that either. however arguing this gets us into semantics where I say that you meant the whole statement and you say you only mean the "dick" part.-
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In post 485, Parama wrote:mafia is not just about what's said, etc
if you read me town,why did you immediately go to accusing me of setting up lynches?
this is stupid i agree but it still makes me feel bad about you, a lot, since i'm actually not arguing semantics at all, but you seem to want to
players regularly have doubts and tend to want to explore them (sort of like what you are doing right now). that's a very basic concept of the game.
why did you say that me calling you a dick is discreditting you? you told me earlier you don't deny being one. you raised my suspicion because I called you a dick once, and it slid off your shoulder. I called you a dick a second time and I am attempting to discredit you. Can you see the leap?
I don't want to argue semantics at all, hence why I ended the previous statement there and didn't make a paragraph post about it.-
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I see there is still some confusion here. allow me to fully explain the exchange then.
the bolded is you being a dick, thus getting a reaction from me. the remaining is the point you are making. I do not contest, nor did I contest the point you made. If you had left out the bolded, your point would have been totally valid still and not gotten a sarcastic reply from me. tone is a fickle thing on a forum (ie. earlier you said I was being cheeky in my statements when I thought I was being matter-of-fact.). the statement "you're lurking too" is at worst neutral. the statment "shut up, you're lurking too" is at best rude.
parama wins the award for town dick.
my sarcastic response in exasperation does not reference your point, does not reference your ability to scum hunt, does not attack any of your reads, and does not call you scum. it was an afterthought to the post.-
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In post 489, Parama wrote:i am being a dick, but a correct dick
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In post 541, Edosurist wrote:In post 538, Bins wrote:ikkcoocodosllcldls
Dafuq is this?
Lucky, are you phone posting?
Yes. I'm work.-
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In post 542, Bins wrote:That's the first I'm hearing about this.
I didn't like your indecisiveness all day on your own group and it felt really non commital when you hammered. You also threw down doubt on my group in your hammer vote. Seemed scummy to do.-
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In post 550, Edosurist wrote:The fact that you were watching that whole time and only posted once is unsettling, though.
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In post 538, Bins wrote:In post 537, Edosurist wrote:I see it as chamber-Bins team or Lucky-Unicat.
tbh I'm talking a lot about WIFOM but every kill would have had a lot of WIFOM
so Bella talking about why ____ (me and them) didn't die is ikkcoocodosllcldls
but I can understand the immediate reaction to the kill
yeah I think I'm most comfortable with lynching lucky, then chamber, then bellaplot, then Edos
more posting from chamber required
I just had a thought about bins reads. Here she states that she suspects chamber more than rainbow. she indicated previously that she believed that she thought her group was all town when she hammered and has done little to prove that thought has changed. by her preferred reads, if Bins is town, that leaves her with the following two combinations ChamberxLucky and ChamberxEdo. I should not be first on her preferred lynch order. if she thinks the scum team is chamber and me, which her above post suggests since we are one two on the list, then chamber is the safer lynch (something she indicated she wants) since he doesn't have an alive partner. even if she strongly reads edos town, it's still a risk lynch me first since she could be wrong and lose the game if edos is just playing a good scum game. However if Bins is scum, and chamber is her partner, this behavior would make sense for a scum team going for the win today rather than risk tomorrow.-
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In post 584, Edosurist wrote:Somebody let me know if I did something wrong. If not, I'll move forward with this list.
Maybe I'm missing something but why in your logic can chambers poverty not include a scenario where you are scum?-
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no i don't, town never needs to convince others they are town. if they need to do that, they aren't town, or they are talking to scum. the latter is the case here, as I've said earlier, you are scum with chamber. let's hammer this and go into the final day please.-
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In post 624, Rainbow Unicat wrote:I would be up for talking to lucky - I'm towning you hard, and I know some of it is I'm impressed by your effort-ing this day phase, but you look genuine. I think we're ready to vote, but we're a little hesitant after being wrong about EVERYTHING yesterday. I think if we don't get our interactions by tonight, we're voting.
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Alright. What are your reservations against Bins as scum. For me it's become fairly obvious.-
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several thoughts.
its bittersweet being right in the end.
if you are town in lylo and 4 people have expressed interest in lynching the 5th, you are doing something wrong.
edo, i wasn't lurking. I just wasn't incredibly active, if i was lurking I would have been prodded. by the end of the game I still had 9 more posts than chamber. you lynched me because you were wrong, just accept it.
para, it's not a matter of taking things personally, I just don't like playing with rude people. Night killing you was the right move by scum, you were too good.
Bins, I shall have my vengeance.... seriously though good game. 560 is when I truly realized you were scum. If rainbow had stated his intent to vote me rather than just leave it open for your hammer, I might have attempted another case, but I highly doubt I would have won the impending 3 person lylo against you.-
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