Micro 514: Dealing With Dragons Mafia (Game Over)

[goodmorning]

'...I'm perfectly happy being a dragon's princess.'
'Um, yes,' said the knight, but he did not look convinced. 'Speaking of dragons, where's yours?'
'Kazul's not

my

dragon,' Cimorene said sharply. 'I'm

her

princess. You'll never have any luck dealing with dragons if you don't get these things straight. She's gone to the Enchanted Forest on the other side of the mountains to borrow a crepe pan from a witch she knows.'

Votecount 2.3

GrayFoxxxx [L-3] - shaddowez
Firebringer [L-3] - The Betting Pool
shaddowez [L-3] - Wisdom
The Betting Pool [L-3] - Firebringer

Not Voting [3] - Vedith, GrayFoxxxx, Elbirn

With 7 alive, it takes

4

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2015-08-29 23:30:00).

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Firebringer

Shaddowez is scum because he's scum, the end

....no?

Okay well I like what you said on him earlier, I read his iso and got a scummy vibe, he has no content and what he does have is wishy washy and takes no stances and is just bleh

[shaddowez]

Wisdom might be confirmed town? Okay.

Do you believe this, or are you just commenting on it?

I also think theres only one scum left, not sure if he was bussed or not.

This quote doesn't make any sense based on your other posts. If you only think there's one scum left, and you think B.P. is scum, then you know whether or not you think they were bussed. On the other hand, if Axxle wasn't bussed that only leaves Gray and myself, neither of which you've said much of at all at any point. You have Gray as null (with no reasons), and me as leaning scum (with no reasons).

I'd like to hear about your shaddowez read more. It might be the case that we're pretty much in complete agreement and it's just the mutual affirmation society

I'd like to hear more from both of you on your Shaddowez read.

Okay well I like what you said on him earlier, I read his iso and got a scummy vibe, he has no content and what he does have is wishy washy and takes no stances and is just bleh

So, you don't actually have a case on me and are just piggybacking BP's reasoning? Also, how is 375 at all wishy-washy? Gray is where I had my read at the end of D1, he did absolutely nothing to change my mind, so I voted him again.

[The Betting Pool]

See 383. It doesn't all revolve around Firebringer being scum. And given what you said above, would you vote him? And why do you read GrayFoxxxx as useless scum instead of useless town?

--PA

[shaddowez]

See 383. It doesn't all revolve around Firebringer being scum. And given what you said above, would you vote him? And why do you read GrayFoxxxx as useless scum instead of useless town?

--PA

I did read that post, but was looking for more direct interaction. There's not a whole lot I can say to that post without just trying to defend your points, which would be a lot of time wasted, especially since you're showing (self-proclaimed) confbias.

As for Fire, yes I would be willing to vote him now. While I was null on him for a while, the post I called out in mine along with a reread has me reading him as scum. I thought about putting that in my last post, but decided to not bother just yet.

As for Gray, I'm not sure. I don't generally label people as useless town - definitely not right all the time, but I'm much more likely to read people as useless scum.

[Firebringer]

I want to say the reasons to suspect me are kind of bullshit and stupid.
Thought I felt really odd yesterday everyone town reading me, its funny how fast that shifted because I didn't vote Axxle? What?
I wasn't even on when Sala hammered him.

V/LA till Friday site wide.

[Wisdom]

As for Gray, I'm not sure. I don't generally label people as useless town - definitely not right all the time, but I'm much more likely to read people as useless scum.

This is terrible

[Elbirn]

Hey wisdom, you said you could conftown yourself today. Is that ability something useful, or should you just hang on to it since today's play is pretty much decided?

[Wisdom]

I can only use it today so I will

What is decided?

[Elbirn]

Firebringer is scum and today's lynch

I mean it's not "decided" but I think it makes a lot of sense. And also I wanna trust bp on this.

[Wisdom]

I prefer shadow

[Elbirn]

Alright I'll make you a deal

Give us firebringer today and I promise you shaddowez dies

[The Betting Pool]

Opinions, Vedith?

--PA

[goodmorning]

Elbirn may not be lynched today. Any votes on Elbirn will not count.

[Elbirn]

Uhhhhm

[The Betting Pool]

well that was unexpected... I think that made me even more suspicious of Wisdom.

[Elbirn]

Elaborate? From my pov he used an unlynchable ability on a townie, when he could have said nothing and saved his partner firebringer

[The Betting Pool]

That would be a terrible misplay by scum. It would be obvious why Firebringer was saved and we'd speed lynch him tomorrow. Better to use it to make yourself appear town. Clearly it worked on you didn't it?

-bunny.

[The Betting Pool]

You have to think long term, no sense in delaying your partners death.

[Elbirn]

Alright, so say he's town. He wants to prove he has an ability. Who does he use it on? From my pov it's either me or you.

Say he's scum. He can't save his partner per what you said. He wants to prove he has an ability. Who does he use it on? Me or you.

Now, if he's scum, why does he mention having an ability at all. The hypothesis is that it would make him look town, but thats hardly convincing and blablabla wifom. It seems to me the better play would be to say nothing.

Who do you think is more likely to have an unlynchable ability, town or scum?

[Wisdom]

i cant use it on myself or i would

[Vedith]

Sorry guys, my internet has been real buggy going in and out.

@Wisdom - What is your actual role? I'm not familiar with this power therefore I see no lean on scum or town for it.
And why is it only for day 2, rather than any day? (Correct me if I read this information wrong)

@BP - I assume you mean my opinions on the lynching?
Between Shadow and Firebringer I would vote fire.

I also think theres only one scum left, not sure if he was bussed or not.

That's my reason for it. I know it's already been brought up but the fact that he made this comment should be discussed more.
Shadow is coming off as more town for me and although his comment about useless town/scum is inappropriate, it's not scummy in my eyes and I think that's a poor reason to put him above Fire.

Who do you think is more likely to have an unlynchable ability, town or scum?

Town. If there is 1 scum left it would be a wasted power by far. If there is 2 scum left, having a 1 day lynch immunity while there is also a traitor would mean town only get 1 mis lynch before being in deep trouble.
This is only if the power cannot be self used of course, but I can't see 1 scum left with a power to stop the lynch, it would again be useless and thhe would be lynched again the next day more times than not.

[Wisdom]

i make someone unlynchable on day2

[Elbirn]

@vedith, what's up with post 414? I don't see what you're getting at

[Vedith]

I don't understand why he would think this. There's a chance for either 1 or 2 but yet looks like he is trying to decide already without even knowing what kind of powers etc there are.
It seems like a mis leading comment mainly.