Mini 1697 - a Re-balanced Game of Mafia - GAME OVER

[RadiantCowbells]

If you were good enough to force scum to bus, you wouldn't be trying to derail this lynch.

[Fluminator]

Actually, I just read through eventi's fake scum claim in twilight and think there might be some gold there. I might change my mind on you. We'll see.

[Fluminator]

No offense, but how the heck did Nether get lynched. The fake scum claim by eventi made him obvtown.

[davesaz]

Nether was a counter wagon to someone other than me. Does that help?

[BBmolla]

Official Vote Count

pistachi0n (1): RadiantCowbells
davesaz (1): Thesp

Not Voting

(7): All Alone, Ankamius, Fluminator, davesaz, pistachi0n,

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-09-16 20:02:00)

[All Alone]

I intend to vote pistachi0n and will wait until town's ready to end the discussion before I vote.

Reasons why pistachi0n is scum are in 1330.

[Thesp]

I'm leaning away from a doc claim today, as I don't see the utility in it. If we consolidate on a lynch choice before a last-minute-deadline, we can evaluate a claim from the lynchee at that point. I think there's value in hiding the doc until then, especially if it can be hidden another day.

I'm really not liking RadiantCowbells' refusal to consider other lynch options, which has been a pattern throughout the game. I'm almost at the point where I want him lynched just because this intractability caused problems yesterday, and the weird reversal on D2 caused a loss of other useful information.

I'm not interested in pistachi0n today, when davesaz is just so crazy scummy by his own posts and the inaction of others. I'm willing to reconsider tomorrow, but I have no desire to see that happen today. I've been willing to move my vote to secure lynches all game, and it's ended up very poorly here because some players have been intractable. It might be time for me to be just as intractable, which feels childish but might actually be the correct approach now.

[Thesp]

As a side note, my availability this weekend will be sketchy for a variety of reasons.

[Ankamius]

Doc claiming is inconvenient for scum. That's why it's a good idea.

[Thesp]

Doc claiming is inconvenient for scum. That's why it's a good idea.

I disagree. Right now, it's far better to make scum have to call someone suspicious who later turns up provably innocent. It's even better if it's avoided until we have fewer people left. There's still a non-zero chance of doc protects. Nope nope nope.

Who are you looking at voting for today? davesaz, pistachi0n, or someone else?

[Ankamius]

Right now, it's far better to make scum have to call someone suspicious who later turns up provably innocent.

No.

[Ankamius]

I shouldn't even have to point out how wagoning up the actual town doctor and having a scum counterclaim with the favorable side of the exchange is pro-scum.

I have a very difficult time believing this never crossed Thesp's mind.

[Ankamius]

I'm getting very close to the point where Thesp is the only lynch I'm accepting today. Team Mafia's not happening a second time.

[Thesp]

I shouldn't even have to point out how wagoning up the actual town doctor and having a scum counterclaim with the favorable side of the exchange is pro-scum.

I have a very difficult time believing this never crossed Thesp's mind.

There are so many things I want to say here and so many of them are counter-productive. No no no. Still opposed to a doc claim.

What do you think of davesaz and of pistachi0n?

[Fluminator]

I think my thoughts on Dave will be cleared up pretty soon.

Ank, could you point me to the case All alone made that looked town to you? I'm having a hard time seeing him be town at this point.

[pistachi0n]

So what, you going to do something about it?

So I was responding to Ankamius's observations with some perspective he might have missed since he wasn't around at the beginning of the game. Do you take issue with that?

"say stuff"? So what, he says stuff he's not going to be scum anymore if you think he's scum now?

I would like everybody to have a chance to speak before we lynch today. Even my scumreads. I've been wrong before.

[davesaz]

I think Thesp is scum, and I think I know what tactic he's trying to use. I'm actually a little surprised he hasn't tried to launch it already.

It being LYLO, I'm expecting him to start saying that the only reason I'm not lynched and game over already is that I'm scum. Maybe he thinks that lynch the lurker is going to work and he doesn't need to go out on that limb. Maybe he's waiting for some townie to buy into it far enough first.

Having one vote in LYLO goes both ways. I'm town and the 3 scum haven't jumped on me. Because one scum is already there.

As I said before, Nether was the counter wagon to someone. Look at the vote progression, not just the final count.

[RadiantCowbells]

So what, you going to do something about it?

So I was responding to Ankamius's observations with some perspective he might have missed since he wasn't around at the beginning of the game. Do you take issue with that?

"say stuff"? So what, he says stuff he's not going to be scum anymore if you think he's scum now?

I would like everybody to have a chance to speak before we lynch today. Even my scumreads. I've been wrong before.

No one asks their scumreads "Do you take issue with that?"

I would like everybody to have a chance to speak before we lynch today, aka let me just stall and see what terrible wagon the town's going to jump on next.

[Fluminator]

@Dave: Do you notice anything else about Thesp? Just curious.

[Ankamius]

I think my thoughts on Dave will be cleared up pretty soon.

Ank, could you point me to the case All alone made that looked town to you? I'm having a hard time seeing him be town at this point.

It's less about the case itself and more about the two cases on each other making me doubt they're a scumteam together.

[All Alone]

prod dodge

[Ankamius]

idk Flum, you might be on to something.

[Fluminator]

Maybe. I think Thesp may be the best first lynch though that we both fully agree on. Considering he's suspected by everyone and not getting voted puts him in a more suspicious position in my opinion. Still waiting for Dave to post more before I vote him.
Dave your killing me.

[davesaz]

Fell asleep at the computer pulling my Thesp stuff together after a long game of Monopoly with the family.
Not sure i like having your case depend on mine. Is he suspected by everyone?

[davesaz]

History of Thesp votes. I have not normalized for replacements.

138 sword master
259 eventi

330 dominator

422 eventi
776 alchemist
940 persivul

1036 unvote

1055 not_mafia

1084 all alone

1141 davesaz

1369 ankamius

1390 netherspite
1422 davesaz

Number of votes on townies isn't terribly indicative. It is more interesting to see who has been voted from the unknowns, and what reads a player has on the players they have never voted.

Voted for: dom (Fluminator), all alone, ankamius,

me

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Hasn't voted for: RC, Pistaschi0n, himself.

Is Thesp one of those people who can't / won't bus unless it is an emergency? If answer is "he does bus" then Ank is a candidate for that.
Next task: follow up on how he's reading RC, Pistachi0n, and Ank.

I do have observations on Thesp posts as well. Lots of "I like xxx" but less why than I'd expect. That deserves quotes to illustrate the point.

Additional note: I think we have time to do this on more than one lynch candidate, given it is LYLO.