Mini 1697 - a Re-balanced Game of Mafia - GAME OVER

Ankamius · Post Post #432 (isolation #0) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:46 am

Hi, I'm kind of around.

I'm sorting out some stuff, so this is all you're getting from me for the moment. I don't anticipate it taking more than a few hours.

Ankamius · Post Post #438 (isolation #1) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:07 am

I read Page 16 and beyond.

All Alone's one post looks town and Netherspite looks townish.

I'd rather lynch Firebringer than anyone else right now. If I had to choose one of the currently wagoned people, though, it would be eventi. Not by a whole lot, though.

Ankamius · Post Post #439 (isolation #2) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:08 am

UNVOTE: Netherspite

VOTE: Firebringer

I'll leave this here for right now, I guess.

Ankamius · Post Post #444 (isolation #3) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:24 pm

A lot can be excused with scumflips.

Ankamius · Post Post #545 (isolation #4) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:24 am

I'm at work right now. I'll try to read during my lunch break.

Ankamius · Post Post #551 (isolation #5) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:32 am

In post 531, Persivul wrote:
In post 525, Netherspite wrote:Your defense of eventi looks interesting though. I'm now even more sure I want to see his flip for the information purpose.

I'm starting to get concerned about you. You're implying that if he flips red then I'm scummy. But, you know from my meta that as scum I wouldn't go out of my way to rescue a scum partner who got himself into heavy trouble. It would be much better scum play to scum read him and bus him.

This post bugs me to no end.

Ankamius · Post Post #552 (isolation #6) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:35 am

Actually, I read through Persivul's posts throughout the last few pages and all of them look hollow. It's really disconcerting.

Ankamius · Post Post #553 (isolation #7) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:38 am

UNVOTE: FireBringer
VOTE: TheDominator37

I like a bunch of evanti's recent posts, so here is where my vote stays.

FireBringer > Persivul is my scumlist currently, though.

Ankamius · Post Post #558 (isolation #8) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:05 am

In post 555, Persivul wrote:
In post 551, Ankamius wrote:
In post 531, Persivul wrote:
In post 525, Netherspite wrote:Your defense of eventi looks interesting though. I'm now even more sure I want to see his flip for the information purpose.

I'm starting to get concerned about you. You're implying that if he flips red then I'm scummy. But, you know from my meta that as scum I wouldn't go out of my way to rescue a scum partner who got himself into heavy trouble. It would be much better scum play to scum read him and bus him.

This post bugs me to no end.

Why?

It's self-meta that would be trivial to subvert. I can't tell yet whether it's a vague attempt to avoid suspicion or a white knight yet though.

Ankamius · Post Post #559 (isolation #9) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:07 am

In post 556, Persivul wrote:
In post 552, Ankamius wrote:Actually, I read through Persivul's posts throughout the last few pages and all of them look hollow. It's really disconcerting.

If you want to see something hollow, read your own ISO. You can do so in about 20 seconds.

Very funny.

It's easy to look hollow when you're on a tablet for most of your posts. It's much harder to look this hollow when you're posting as much as you do.

Ankamius · Post Post #575 (isolation #10) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:38 am

In post 560, Persivul wrote:
In post 558, Ankamius wrote:
It's self-meta that would be trivial to subvert. I can't tell yet whether it's a vague attempt to avoid suspicion or a white knight yet though.

I agree that self-meta is worthless, but I directed this to nether, who has acknowledged that he's using meta analysis on me. He hasn't disputed it, and I doubt he will. He modded a game in which I replaced in as scum, and lynched my partners on D2 and D3, but then went on to win.

In post 568, Persivul wrote:OK, meta can be used to attack someone, but that person cannot dispute that attack. Got it.

The issue is scope. The situation you brought up is exactly that, one you brought up. Nether hadn't said anything about you bussing until you made your post. You're trying to discredit a point by lowering the scope and arguing from that scope with a point that is inherently null the moment you point it out. Then, when you get challenged on it, you try to discredit them too.

I suddenly feel a lot better about a Persivul lynch tomorrow.

Ankamius · Post Post #615 (isolation #11) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:21 am

I'm liking Nether less and less as time goes on for all this emphasis on information from lynches.

Ankamius · Post Post #619 (isolation #12) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:33 am

Nether: That's self-contradictory. Day one is the most important day to reread later on in the game and having one person not directly scumhunting during that is not the most pro-town thing I can think of.

Ankamius · Post Post #635 (isolation #13) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:12 pm

Okay, I'm resetting my reads. The Firebringer kill disturbs me a lot and I can't think of any reason why he would be the kill over half of the players still alive.

That'll happen sometime tomorrow.

Ankamius · Post Post #665 (isolation #14) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:25 am

In post 648, duppin wrote:Okay, let us assume TheDominator is town.

How often does 3 townies d2 instantly vote on another town?

Let's take this forward another step.

What exactly are scum doing while this is going on?

Ankamius · Post Post #732 (isolation #15) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:10 pm

VOTE: Persivul

Still reading up and am at the bottom of page 27, but the only other person I'd consider voting at the moment is Netherspite.

Ankamius · Post Post #733 (isolation #16) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:18 pm

Starting at day start and putting my notes as I read.

#631 pistachi0n - Not liking the reluctance to follow through here.

#632 All Alone - Something about this post really bugs me.

Alchemist's vote on Dom looks townish. RC's is basically null to me.

#636 Netherspite - Yeah, you need to explain why Dom is scum ASAP. In your own words, please, not anyone else's.

Enough with the meta. Seriously. Stop. If that's basically the best you can do for a case, then you essentially don't have a case. Meta is something you use to back up already scummy behavior.

#641 Duppin - This slot is town.

#659 Persivul - Ok, no. This post singlehandedly makes me more certain that the dominant wagon today is on town. The second sentence is a stretch of the first, and the conclusion is a really odd statement to make. If you're town this game, then your biggest fallacy is assuming that scummy == scum.

#665 moi -

Please respond to this question, Duppin.

#666 Alchemist - RC can definitely fake stuff like this. Don't put too much stock in it.

#667 Duppin - This is a really odd self-contradictory post. Not convinced it's scum-contradictory, but good to keep in mind for later.

#669 Persivul - STOP. Surface-level meta is literally the worst possible thing you can do to try to scumhunt. It's very weak (evidenced by your conclusion, which is a stretch by itself) and trivial to manipulate.

#670 pistachi0n - nononononoNONONONONO. He's fully aware of that meta and it wouldn't be difficult to subvert the 'always bus scumbuddies' point, especially on day one. It's completely dead null the moment they're aware of it.

Page 29 is just two sides completely talking past each other. Nothing of use here, really.

#727 Persivul - Can you go into why you chose this time to vote Dom please?

Ankamius · Post Post #734 (isolation #17) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:19 pm

Basically, Duppin is the most sane person here right now. Pistachi0n is misguided town. Persivul is just scum. Netherspite is someone who is both independently scummy and has enough associative tells with Persivul to link them together.

Everyone else is basically non-existent, although that's more because of how much a few players have drowned out the game than actual lurking.

Ankamius · Post Post #735 (isolation #18) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:21 pm

If it turns out that everyone currently active is town, I'm going to be really upset because that's just about the only way this Dominator wagon could be any worse than what I suspect it is.

Ankamius · Post Post #741 (isolation #19) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:10 pm

Because the deadline was basically on top of us and not voting for either of the two wagons was a waste of time.

Ankamius · Post Post #743 (isolation #20) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:00 pm

Look at what I did before voting for Dominator again and you should realize pretty fast why you're completely wrong.

Ankamius · Post Post #745 (isolation #21) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:05 pm

The difference is that information lynches is Nether's entire goal on day one.

I literally only compromised to an information lynch once it was impossible to get a lynch on one of my scumreads.

That mindset isn't even remotely alike.

Ankamius · Post Post #746 (isolation #22) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:07 pm

Also, I asked you a question.

Actually, I remember Nether ignoring the question I asked when he posted earlier, too.

Huh. I wish I could be this ignorable as scum. I might actually win scumgames.

Ankamius · Post Post #748 (isolation #23) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:18 pm

You do realize that I replaced in the same day you did, right?

Ankamius · Post Post #752 (isolation #24) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:30 pm

post 745, Ankamius"]The difference is that information lynches is Nether's entire goal on day one.[/quote]

Wrong.
I just said that I'll prefer a lynch on my scumread that will provide information over the one that will not.
I will also prefer a lynch on my townread that will provide information over a lynch on my townread that will not.

I never said I'd just lynch town over scum just because it'll provide information.

[/quote]

The bolded is very interesting when you consider that you posted your willingness to die if it would provide information, despite the fact that you know it would end in a town lynch.

Ankamius · Post Post #753 (isolation #25) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:31 pm

In post 750, Persivul wrote:
In post 748, Ankamius wrote:You do realize that I replaced in the same day you did, right?

Yes, and I also know that I have 72 posts, mod has 25, and you have 24.

Now that I have more posts than the mod, are you suddenly going to start taking me seriously?

Ankamius · Post Post #755 (isolation #26) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:33 pm

It's lynchable when the wagon isn't so obviously poison that it hurts even thinking about the possibility of it existing.

Ankamius · Post Post #757 (isolation #27) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:36 pm

RC, you should read my posts again.

Ankamius · Post Post #759 (isolation #28) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:40 pm

brb 24-36 hours

Ankamius · Post Post #763 (isolation #29) » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:09 am

These: I have a 'personal' issue with just about all of Persivul's posts and I've come to the conclusion that it's playstyle. If we're on the same page on our thoughts as I suspect, then chances are it's ultimately null in the sense you're looking at it in too.

Ankamius · Post Post #764 (isolation #30) » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:09 am

Can I just throw this device out the nearest window?

Ankamius · Post Post #774 (isolation #31) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:31 am

In post 772, Persivul wrote:Looking for scum in today's dom wagon instead of yesterday's eventi wagon is the most backward thinking I've seen in a while.

Assume Dominator is town for a minute. Is this still true?

Ankamius · Post Post #788 (isolation #32) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:18 am

In post 775, Persivul wrote:Why would i assume dom is town? I find it suspicious to start out with such an assumption. And yes it's still true...townies putting a d2 wagon on d1 obvscum is not at all unusual. I find duppins position very suspicious and its also interesting that thesp endorsed it

In post 779, Netherspite wrote:
In post 774, Ankamius wrote:
In post 772, Persivul wrote:Looking for scum in today's dom wagon instead of yesterday's eventi wagon is the most backward thinking I've seen in a while.

Assume Dominator is town for a minute. Is this still true?

The difference is with
eventi
we don't need to assume anything, we know his flip.

Ankamius · Post Post #789 (isolation #33) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:22 am

The point of assuming Dominator is town for this exercise is because it forces you out of your situational tunnel vision. You're so set on thinking of it this one way and the infuriating part is that it's not even scummy since I can easily see it being a playstyle thing.

Ankamius · Post Post #792 (isolation #34) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:46 am

In post 790, Persivul wrote:
In post 789, Ankamius wrote:The point of assuming Dominator is town for this exercise is because it forces you out of your situational tunnel vision. You're so set on thinking of it this one way and the infuriating part is that it's not even scummy since I can easily see it being a playstyle thing.

You apparently missed this part: "And yes it's still true...townies putting a d2 wagon on d1 obvscum is not at all unusual."

No, I didn't miss it. That post proves my point more because you're basically saying you can't see Dom being town at all.

Ankamius · Post Post #796 (isolation #35) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:51 am

That's what obvscum means.

Ankamius · Post Post #839 (isolation #36) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:03 am

If this is going to be what you do for the rest of the game, it's better to replace out, Dom.

Ankamius · Post Post #876 (isolation #37) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:30 pm

I'm actually really lost as to why the Thesp wagon is a thing. He's one of the people in my null camp.

Ankamius · Post Post #932 (isolation #38) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:51 am

Dom, I have no idea how you managed to get that conclusion from what he just posted.

Ankamius · Post Post #933 (isolation #39) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:52 am

I'm also rapidly realizing that I've been glancing over davesaz's posts every time he's posted since I replaced in and not once have I gotten a town feeling from any of them.

Ankamius · Post Post #934 (isolation #40) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:57 am

In post 917, Alchemist21 wrote:Half of me really wants to vote Pistachion for that recent bit, but the other half of me can't think of why it would actually come from scum.

If she's buddying me she was still defending me regardless of when she said I looked strong vs I was doing more scumhunting. It doesn't look like she's using it as a reason to push Thesp or Dom either (well, maybe Thesp to a small extent, but in the context here, I don't really see it).

Either in 2 hours she actually forgot her specific wording or she's purposefully trying to be confrontational with Dom, and the latter reason would be the only one that would mean she's scum.

It's really difficult to see Alchemist as scum after this post.

Ankamius · Post Post #936 (isolation #41) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:06 am

I'm struggling to make sense of the current voting patterns based on my reads. Thesp is more likely town just from the wagon on him and from the fact that I still can't figure out what he did to make him the biggest wagon right now. I can wrap my head around the Alchemist wagon kind of, and it looks like a misdirected town effort.

The problem is that I'm getting a big sense that the Persivul wagon is being scum-resisted, which doesn't feel right with two town wagons that are about as big as it. I could see Thesp being heavily scum-motivated and Alchemist is just being wagoned by town, but I'm really wary of assuming the scumteam would make a risk like this so early on in the game without enough info to support it being likely.

Ankamius · Post Post #937 (isolation #42) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:07 am

Thesp: Can you give your thoughts on the vote spread?

Ankamius · Post Post #960 (isolation #43) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:10 pm

In post 939, davesaz wrote:
In post 933, Ankamius wrote:I'm also rapidly realizing that I've been glancing over davesaz's posts every time he's posted since I replaced in and not once have I gotten a town feeling from any of them.

I'm one of those people who fully understands that we have two ears and one mouth for a reason. If you're looking for brash confrontation or baseless speculation, this would explain why it's missing. If what you're not seeing is something else, it would help me to read you if I knew what your criteria is.

My gut.

Ankamius · Post Post #995 (isolation #44) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:59 am

I played with RC as both alignments. This doesn't look like either from what I remember.

Ankamius · Post Post #998 (isolation #45) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:18 am

If Persivul is town this game, then there will definitely be words about horrifically scummy self-meta later.

Ankamius · Post Post #999 (isolation #46) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:23 am

FTR: Activity isn't alignment indicative to me. Activity is more based on how much I like the player list and whetger what's going on is stuff I care to comment on or not.

Ankamius · Post Post #1017 (isolation #47) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 5:49 am

Nah, I'd rather make sure the Persivul slot gets flipped. I still don't see any solid chase on Thesp whatsoever.

Ankamius · Post Post #1020 (isolation #48) » Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:51 am

In post 1018, TheDominator37 wrote:The push on eventi, trying to push on me and then acting like that was nothing

Can you provide post numbers (and roughly where in the post as applicable) to substantiate your statements?

Ankamius · Post Post #1050 (isolation #49) » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:39 am

Yeah, that slot is scum. I'm not switching my vote.

Ankamius · Post Post #1051 (isolation #50) » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:39 am

That entire entrance screams self-conservative.

Ankamius · Post Post #1107 (isolation #51) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:01 pm

The weird feelings I get from davesaz's posts are paling in comparison to the alarm bells ringing in my head at the wagon on him.

Ankamius · Post Post #1119 (isolation #52) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:50 am

Alch, what happens if you get me lynched and I flip town?

Ankamius · Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:35 am

Alchemist, I'm asking because your conclusion looks like you're trying to fit a theory to it rather than the other way around. The fact that you're just going to throw the theory away out of hand with a townflip isn't exactly helping your case.

Ankamius · Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:37 am

Vote: Pistachi0n

Ankamius · Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:53 am

ok

Why did you start with the pistachi0n/Davesaz/All Alone team?

Ankamius · Post Post #1128 (isolation #56) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:19 pm

Oh, I misread originally.

UNVOTE: Pistachi0n

I'll rethink.

Ankamius · Post Post #1129 (isolation #57) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:33 pm

I'm starting to wonder if I'm really off base this game and we're looking at a weird RC+Thesp team.

Ankamius · Post Post #1130 (isolation #58) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:34 pm

I have a feeling that today is going to make or break the game because I'm starting to notice a lot of associatives.

Ankamius · Post Post #1133 (isolation #59) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:50 pm

The main thing that's bugging me about RC is the way he's been interacting me throughout the game. I wouldn't put it past him to have more a gameplan of pushing the scumteam to be in a good spot and seeing where the mislynches fall rather than trying to push one outright, and the way he's been mentioning me today is really awkward when you pay attention to it. Compound this by the fact that we've been sort of synced throughout the game with our only real interactions being him trying to get me to vote the person I'm already voting shortly after I replaced in.

The main thing that bugs me is that he was throwing a subtle suspicion my way right before you posted your case, then completely ignored it as it was happening. This syncs since he knows I operate better under pressure

Ankamius · Post Post #1134 (isolation #60) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:50 pm

lmao

RC are you scumclaiming?

Ankamius · Post Post #1137 (isolation #61) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:56 pm

It isn't? That's news to me.

Ankamius · Post Post #1139 (isolation #62) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:04 pm

Ankamius · Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:53 am

Nether, I'd like you to make a case on this slot.

Ankamius · Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:54 am

In post 1151, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1124, Ankamius wrote:
Vote: Pistachi0n

In post 1126, Ankamius wrote:ok

Why did you start with the pistachi0n/Davesaz/All Alone team?

In post 1128, Ankamius wrote:Oh, I misread originally.

UNVOTE: Pistachi0n

I'll rethink.

Ank where did this vote come from and why did it go?

You made your case suspiciously close to when the davesaz wagon started giving way to a Pistachi0n wagon.

Ankamius · Post Post #1157 (isolation #65) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:22 pm

In post 1126, Ankamius wrote:ok

Why did you start with the pistachi0n/Davesaz/All Alone team?

I misread when asking this and didn't realize until after you answered.

Ankamius · Post Post #1162 (isolation #66) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:01 am

I'm going to assume I'm thinking too hard for right now and just throw associative tells out the window until tomorrow.

I'm going to plug stuff into VCs and see what comes up.

Ankamius · Post Post #1167 (isolation #67) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:49 am

I haven't mentioned All Alone throughout the game because I realized at some point that he's not a player I'm going to be able to read very easily. I'm awful at reading people who pretty much rely solely on logic and cases for their playstyle.

Ankamius · Post Post #1169 (isolation #68) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:13 am

Spoiler: All VCs; Names updated and flips color-coded

In post 59, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Thesp
(2): All Alone, Alchemist21

Ankamius
(1):
eventi

eventi
(1): Ankamius

All Alone
(1):
Not_Mafia

TheDominator37
(1): Netherspite

pistachi0n
(1):
duppin

Netherspite
(1):
TheDominator37

duppin
(1): pistachi0n

Firebringer
(1): RadiantCowbells

Not Voting
(3): Thesp, davesaz,
Firebringer

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

In post 100, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Thesp
(2): All Alone, Ankamius

Ankamius
(1):
eventi

All Alone
(1):
Not_Mafia

Alchemist21
(1): RadiantCowbells

TheDominator37
(1): Netherspite

pistachi0n
(1):
duppin

Netherspite
(1):
TheDominator37

duppin
(1): pistachi0n

RadiantCowbells
(1): Alchemist21

Not Voting
(3): Thesp, davesaz,
Firebringer

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

In post 125, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

RadiantCowbells
(2): Alchemist21,
Firebringer

Thesp
(2): All Alone, Ankamius

Firebringer
(2): Netherspite, RadiantCowbells

All Alone
(1):
Not_Mafia

pistachi0n
(1):
duppin

Netherspite
(1):
TheDominator37

duppin
(1): pistachi0n

Ankamius
(1):
eventi

Not Voting
(2): Thesp, davesaz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

In post 175, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

RadiantCowbells
(4): Alchemist21,
Firebringer
,
eventi
,
TheDominator37

davesaz
(1): Thesp

eventi
(1): Netherspite

pistachi0n
(1):
duppin

Netherspite
(1): Ankamius

duppin
(1): pistachi0n

Thesp
(1): All Alone

Ankamius
(1): RadiantCowbells

Not Voting
(2):
Not_Mafia
, davesaz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

TheDominator37
is V/LA until 7/18
davesaz has been prodded

Note:
In post 146, TheDominator37 wrote:I'm going with who I think is most scummy atm
VOTE: rad

The Votecounter thought you were voting for swo
rd
m
a
ster here. Please try to spell out at least 'radiant' or 'cowbells' in the future

In post 228, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Netherspite
(3): Ankamius,
TheDominator37
,
eventi

eventi
(2): Netherspite, RadiantCowbells

TheDominator37
(2): All Alone,
duppin

duppin
(2): pistachi0n, Alchemist21

davesaz
(1): Thesp

RadiantCowbells
(1):
Firebringer

Not Voting
(2):
Not_Mafia
, davesaz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

TheDominator37
is V/LA until 7/18

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

In post 279, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

eventi
(4): Netherspite, RadiantCowbells, Thesp,
TheDominator37

TheDominator37
(2): All Alone,
duppin

Netherspite
(2): Ankamius,
eventi

duppin
(1): Alchemist21

RadiantCowbells
(1):
Firebringer

Not Voting
(3):
Not_Mafia
, davesaz, pistachi0n

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Ankamius has been prodded

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

In post 363, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Netherspite
(4): Ankamius,
TheDominator37
, Alchemist21,
Firebringer

TheDominator37
(3): All Alone,
duppin
, Thesp

eventi
(2): Netherspite, pistachi0n

Thesp
(1):
eventi

Firebringer
(1): RadiantCowbells

Not Voting
(2):
Not_Mafia
, davesaz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Not_Mafia
will be prodded

If I can't find a replacement for Ankamius deadline will be fixed at 2 days for 2 days. Then I'll modkill the slot. So tell your friends to join!

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

In post 425, ActionDan wrote:Ankamius replaces Ankamius effective immediately.

Official Vote Count

eventi
(6): Netherspite, pistachi0n,
TheDominator37
, davesaz,
duppin
, Thesp

Netherspite
(3): Alchemist21,
Firebringer
, Ankamius

Firebringer
(1): RadiantCowbells

TheDominator37
(2):
eventi
, All Alone

Not Voting
(1):
Not_Mafia

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

In post 447, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

eventi
(6): Netherspite, pistachi0n,
TheDominator37
, davesaz,
duppin
, Thesp

Netherspite
(3): Alchemist21,
Firebringer
,
eventi

Firebringer
(2): RadiantCowbells, Ankamius

Not_Mafia
(1): All Alone

Not Voting
(1):
Not_Mafia

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 23:30:00)

In post 625, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

eventi
(7): Netherspite, pistachi0n,
TheDominator37
, davesaz,
duppin
, Thesp,
Not_Mafia

(Lynched!)

TheDominator37
(3):
eventi
, RadiantCowbells, Ankamius

Netherspite
(2): Alchemist21,
Firebringer

Not_Mafia
(1): All Alone

Not Voting
(0):
None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Alchemist21 will be prodded

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-26 00:30:00)

Flip incoming!

In post 800, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Not_Mafia
(3): Pistachi0n, Radiant Cowbells, Ankamius

Thesp
(1): All Alone

Alchemist21
(2):
TheDominator37
, Thesp

TheDominator37
(3): , Alchemist21, Netherspite,
Not_Mafia

Not Voting
(2):
duppin
, davesaz

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-10 18:30:00)

In post 851, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Not_Mafia
(3): pistachi0n, RadiantCowbells, Ankamius

Thesp
(3): All Alone,
Not_Mafia
, davesaz

All Alone
(1): Alchemist21

Alchemist21
(2): Thesp,
TheDominator37

Not Voting
(2): Netherspite,
duppin

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-10 18:30:00)

In post 840, TheDominator37 wrote:I'll try to analyze and stuff. I hate being the guy to drop out
VOTE: alc

Votecounter processed this incorrectly as pistachi0n. Please use 'alchemist' in the future

I've been terrible with upkeep, I realize

In post 925, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Thesp
(3): All Alone,
Not_Mafia
, davesaz

Alchemist21
(2): Thesp,
TheDominator37

Not_Mafia
(2): pistachi0n, Ankamius

All Alone
(1): Alchemist21

davesaz
(1): RadiantCowbells

Not Voting
(2): Netherspite,
duppin

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-10 18:30:00)

In post 982, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Thesp
(4): All Alone,
Not_Mafia
, davesaz,
TheDominator37

Not_Mafia
(3): pistachi0n, Ankamius, Thesp

All Alone
(1): Alchemist21

davesaz
(1): RadiantCowbells

Not Voting
(2): Netherspite,
duppin

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-10 18:30:00)

In post 1056, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Thesp
(4): All Alone, davesaz,
TheDominator37
,
Not_Mafia

Not_Mafia
(4): pistachi0n, Ankamius, Alchemist21, Thesp

davesaz
(2): RadiantCowbells,
duppin

Not Voting
(1): Netherspite

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-12 14:10:00)

In post 1077, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Not_Mafia
(6): pistachi0n, Ankamius, Alchemist21, Thesp,
TheDominator37
, RadiantCowbells
(Lynched!)

Thesp
(3): All Alone, davesaz,
Not_Mafia

davesaz
(1):
duppin

Not Voting
(1): Netherspite

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Flip incoming

In post 1102, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

davesaz
(3): Netherspite, Alchemist21, pistachi0n

All Alone
(1): Thesp

Alchemist21
(1):
TheDominator37

Netherspite
(1): RadiantCowbells

Thesp
(1): All Alone

Not Voting
(2): Ankamius, davesaz

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-27 14:20:00)

Interesting Notes:

Alchemist21 is the only unconfirmed slot on the RC wagon. I don't believe this is very useful though, since there's no evidence either way of whether the wagon vanishing was scum-motivated or not.

#279 and #363 is really interesting. It's likely there's minimum one scum on the eventi wagon {Netherspite, RadiantCowbells, Thesp,

TheDominator37

). The conftown switches to the Netherspite wagon, RadiantCowbells to Firebringer as the only voter, and Thesp to Dominator. Netherspite is the only one of the wagon that remains on eventi. Mental note to look back at what happened between these two vote counts as this could be extraordinarily telling.

Also mental note that if Alchemist flips town, Netherspite should be a #1 scum candidate due to all-town wagon + eventi wagon blowing up immediately afterwards, with davesaz and Thesp being secondary scum candidates for being the unconfirmed on the eventi wagon afterwards. In this scenario, I'd place minimum two scum in those three names.

That's about all that's useful about day one.

Note that I still hate the early day 2 Dominator wagon. The two unconfirmed on that wagon (Alchemist21 and Netherspite) don't have a very stellar voting pattern afterwards either. Alchemist parks as the only vote on All Alone for a while, then ends up on the Persivul-slot. Netherspite goes V/LA and just keeps the vote unvoted for the rest of the day. I'd be surprised if there wasn't at least one scum here.

If Thesp flips town at some point, those who are playing off those two wagons rise in the scum ranks. {Alchemist21, RadiantCowbells, Netherspite (although less likely)} It's difficult to analyze the Thesp vs Persivul wagons since the only difference is that Thesp has one single conftown on his wagon that isn't the other person being wagoned.

As noted before, the davesaz day 3 wagon bugs me too. The biggest thing that bugs me is that Netherspite and Alchemist21 are both the first two people pushing that wagon, just like the Dominator wagon on day 2.

Ankamius · Post Post #1170 (isolation #69) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:15 am

In post 1168, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 1167, Ankamius wrote:I'm awful at reading people who pretty much rely solely on logic and cases for their playstyle.

What else is there to rely on?

Is that the same playstyle you see in his meta?

I look at why people would write the stuff they're doing, why they're pushing the people they're pushing, why they're taking the stances they're taking, etc. Just using logic for everything basically just makes it a stance of what makes the most sense and pushing based on that, which is absurdly easy to fake as scum.

Ankamius · Post Post #1171 (isolation #70) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:17 am

VOTE: Alchemist21

This slot has associatives + weird VCA movements that will practically doom the scumteam if he is scum this game. If he ends up flipping scum today, Netherspite is a doomed scum slot.

Ankamius · Post Post #1172 (isolation #71) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:20 am

In post 1168, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 1167, Ankamius wrote:I'm awful at reading people who pretty much rely solely on logic and cases for their playstyle.
Is that the same playstyle you see in his meta?

Oh, forgot to answer this part.

I think meta is garbage except in specific circumstances. If you're trying to use arguments for meta that is extraordinarily difficult to replicate once you know them (read: specific actions like RVS voting patterns don't count), you're trying to argue for something about yourself that is dead null, or you have personal experience that supports your theory, then I accept meta as valid.

The third thing necessitates the first two in my eyes though, so I disregard all meta entirely that is gained from meta diving.

Ankamius · Post Post #1178 (isolation #72) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:50 am

Netherspite: I was posting my thoughts as I came up with them, but I strongly suspect that you two are scumpartners because there's too many associatives between you two.

Just the way the wagons have moved today is making me suspicious. If I'm correct and the davesaz wagon was a scum-intended wagon today, then an Alchemist21+pistachi0n+Netherspite scumteam would make a lot of sense even before you include all the suspicious stuff in the VCs throughout day 1 and 2.

Ankamius · Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:01 am

In post 1179, RadiantCowbells wrote:Ankamius, where do you think AA's analysis of Pistachion's day 1 votes came from?

A mistaken belief that that type of meta is at all useful.

Ankamius · Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:02 am

In post 1181, Alchemist21 wrote:Ank's entire case looks like an elaborate attempt to OMGUS me.

Dominator was acting scummy as fuck, and I had expressed a preference for a Dave lynch the prior Day, but I switched to Pers partially because of the Deadline.

If you're not voting Ank now, you need to.

How is it even possible to view my actions today as OMGUS onto you?

Ankamius · Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:06 am

RC: 1111

Ankamius · Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:43 am

In post 1187, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1184, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1181, Alchemist21 wrote:Ank's entire case looks like an elaborate attempt to OMGUS me.

Dominator was acting scummy as fuck, and I had expressed a preference for a Dave lynch the prior Day, but I switched to Pers partially because of the Deadline.

If you're not voting Ank now, you need to.

How is it even possible to view my actions today as OMGUS onto you?

Your case ignored the context of a lot of votes, you came up with a reason to vote me then say Nether is scum regardless of my flip, and I think this is because you're afraid I have this game practically solved if we lynch you.

^ Attempt to discredit VCA and ignoring the fact that it would've been more consistent to my story and more likely to go through if I had used the pistachi0n + alchemist partners theory I had used earlier and continued pushing that instead.

Ankamius · Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:56 am

I'm talking about pushing Pistachi0n over you.

Ankamius · Post Post #1204 (isolation #78) » Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:14 am

prodge

Ankamius · Post Post #1211 (isolation #79) » Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:26 pm

pistachi0n what the fuck was that posturing?

Ankamius · Post Post #1222 (isolation #80) » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:18 am

Alchemist: I'm voting you because the game will be blown wide open with your lynch and it will be nearly impossible for your partners to talk their way out of being lynched in succession.

I don't trust the amount of wiggle room you'd have with a Netherspite lynch, despite how blindingly obvious he is. A scumflip on you is all we need to secure his downfall.

Ankamius · Post Post #1223 (isolation #81) » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:19 am

If Alchemist -> Netherspite -> Pistachi0n lynches don't end the game, I'll be shocked.

Ankamius · Post Post #1226 (isolation #82) » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:01 am

It's kind of a big difference between being a prime suspect among three other people in one scenario and literally being

confirmed

scum in the other.

This is literally the extent of your entire case. Alchemist's OMGUS accusation is literally garbage and his scumteams theory is based on really weak assumptions. The fact that Netherspite sheeped so hard so fast and Pistachi0n passively sheeped while being so disturbingly wishy washy about it is screaming scum-pushed wagon.

Ankamius · Post Post #1227 (isolation #83) » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:07 am

What's even more hilarious is that I even mentioned that an Alchemist flip gives more information than any other lynch, which is a huge deal because we have a high chance of two conftown (smaller of three or one) tomorrow. Just having an abundance of information will win town the game easily, so scum's best interest is to try to stifle information as much as possible.

Lo and behold, associatives out the ass with Alchemist, his VCA position is very telling, and now this push on me is a huge goldmine on top of that. A scumflip on the spearhead of this push will throw all of the sheep into the spotlight.

Ankamius · Post Post #1229 (isolation #84) » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:35 am

Lmao

Nice subtle discredit.

Ankamius · Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:23 am

I'd agree if Alchemist didn't have awkward associatives with them.

Ankamius · Post Post #1234 (isolation #86) » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:02 pm

If you're legitimately looking at this entire exchange and coming up with the conclusion that I'm OMGUSing Alchemist, then you're frankly not reading the game.

Ankamius · Post Post #1236 (isolation #87) » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:04 pm

In post 1228, Netherspite wrote:I don't see the big difference you're talking about.
In any case you should vote me right now since I'm unconditionally being scumread while
Alchemist21
MAY flip town and you consider that case in your "analysis".

I posted twice now why I'm specifically wanting Alchemist's head over yours.

If you're somehow town, you need to get your head square out of your ass and start using it.

Ankamius · Post Post #1239 (isolation #88) » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:57 pm

In post 1237, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 1211, Ankamius wrote:pistachi0n what the fuck was that posturing?

Are you referring to how I disagreed with Alch's reasons for voting you? I don't like his "well it must be Ank because scum wouldn't bus each other," that's bad reasoning because it rests on an unlikely assumption.

No, I was referring to you sheeping onto the wagon that Alchemist started, all while making it clear that I wasn't a big scumread of yours and that you also wanted to make clear that Alch's reasons were not yours.

That's 150% posturing.

Ankamius · Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:16 pm

Yeah because we have no chance whatsoever of solving the game outright tomorrow when we get an information mine.

But if course, that doesn't fit your narrative, so it doesn't exist in your mind.

Ankamius · Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:19 pm

Whatever, if it takes a blatantly garbage supporter of this wagon to flip scum in order to make it even more blindingly obvious I'm the scum directed mislynch, so be it.

UNVOTE: Alchemist21
VOTE: Netherspite

Ankamius · Post Post #1246 (isolation #91) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:17 am

Everyone: Literally all you need to do is look at the VCA. Look at where Alchemist's and Netherspite's votes throughout the game. The pattern is obvious and this wagon on me is just as garbage as the other ones.

Ankamius · Post Post #1248 (isolation #92) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:03 am

In post 1247, Netherspite wrote:Town is often wrong as we can see on the
RadiantCowbells
's example.
If everyone who voted two townies would be scum the game would be too easy.

Yeah, and I guess it's just coincidence that you two were the very first two votes of the Day 2 Dominator wagon, the Day 3 davesaz wagon, and now my wagon, right?

Ankamius · Post Post #1250 (isolation #93) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:44 am

In post 1249, Netherspite wrote:
In post 1248, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1247, Netherspite wrote:Town is often wrong as we can see on the
RadiantCowbells
's example.
If everyone who voted two townies would be scum the game would be too easy.

Yeah, and I guess it's just coincidence that you two were the very first two votes of the Day 2 Dominator wagon, the Day 3 davesaz wagon, and now my wagon, right?

davesaz
ain't confirmed town. Why do you include him in this list? Do you know something I don't?

um

Ankamius · Post Post #1251 (isolation #94) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:49 am

Netherspite literally just scumslipped.

He's the only possible lynch for today now.

Ankamius · Post Post #1252 (isolation #95) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:52 am

In no fucking universe does any town who sees a point one of their scumreads' makes looks at it like it was made by town and pick at it.

If he was town and I was scum, he wouldn't have tried to ask about why davesaz isn't conftown; he would've tried to prove my point wrong because I'm not conftown.

Ankamius · Post Post #1254 (isolation #96) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:46 am

It's funny because nowhere did I say that any of us were confirmed town for that reason.

Ankamius · Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:59 am

In post 1254, Ankamius wrote:It's funny because nowhere did I say that any of us were confirmed town for that reason.

Ankamius · Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:02 pm

In post 1258, Netherspite wrote:
In post 1256, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Netherspite just scumslipped by revealing that he knows that Ankamius is as much confirmed town as Dominator by creating a dichotomy wherein Dom/Ankamius were somehow separate from Davesaz.

Also you are putting words in my mouth.
I never opposed Ank and Dom to Dave. I was continuing Ank's thought and he spoke about Dom and Dave. He put them both in 'mislynchee' list whereas Dave was never conftown and thus Ank couldn't know that his wagon is a mislynch wagon unless he's scum and knows that Dave is town.

Here's an idea: look at my ISO.

I outwardly condemned the Dominator wagon day 2 because it looked scum driven.
I outwardly condemned the davesaz wagon day 3 because it looked scum driven.
I outwardly condemned my own wagon on day 3 because it looked scum driven.

Then I actually looked at the wagons and saw that both you and Alchemist were the first two votes on ALL THREE WAGONS.

davesaz being conftown or not has fuck all to do with any of it. The wagons look like scum, therefore they're town. Not the other way around like you're trying to spin it.

Ankamius · Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:04 pm

You really need a new tactic if you want to discredit me because the idea that I shouldn't include davesaz in the pattern is awful when you actually look at the evidence in existence.

You're stretching for reasons to keep this wagon afloat because you put all your eggs in one basket, and you scumslipped in the process.

As soon as we get a Dominator replacement and have them caught up with what's going on, Netherspite is getting lynched. There is no second option.

Ankamius · Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:11 pm

ftr I still think Thesp is the town being manipulated in this situation and pistachi0n is the third scum because the timing of when the wagon on me started is way too coincidental with pistachi0n being wagoned combined with pistachi0n having the really awkward sheep onto my wagon shortly afterwards.

I'm about 90% sure this is the scumteam. If pistachi0n isn't scum, then it's All Alone. I'm wary of Thesp being scum because it's weird for scum to originally be kind of fencesitty but still be more willing to vote their scumpartner at first, then immediately after switch to buddying with them. davesaz is almost certainly town due to the fallout of his wagon, but he really needs to get in here and do something. I'm fairly certain RC is town.

I think this game is as close to cut and dry as it looks. Even if this isn't the correct theory, the amount of mislynch targets scum have will rapidly dwindle depending on how night goes since doctor claiming tomorrow is optimal.

Ankamius · Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:13 pm

Doctor claiming tomorrow isn't optimal if there isn't a kill tonight. Forgot to mention that.

Ankamius · Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:20 pm

Ankamius · Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:36 pm

Yeah, I'm done talking to Nether for the rest of the game.

If it's not obvious to the rest of the game that he's scum now, town deserves to lose. He's completely warped my argument again to fit his own agenda.

Ankamius · Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:35 pm

Ankamius · Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:36 pm

Whatever.

This lynch is heavily poisoned and if town has any competence left, we will guarantee two scum lynches off this wagon.

Ankamius · Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:42 pm

It completely blows my mind that Netherspite + Alchemist isn't already publicly considered obvscum at this point. I have no idea how it can be any more obvious.

Netherspite has been sniping at my arguments and switching the subject whenever his points get debunked.
Netherspite

literally confirms he knows I am town

.
Alchemist21 and Netherspite have literally started

every

shittastic wagon past day one.
The amount of associative tells between Alchemist21 + Netherspite just today is disgusting. There's a slight chance that Pistachi0n is not scum and this wagon on me started because of the davesaz wagon getting dismantled and not because of Pistachi0n becoming a counterwagon, but occam's razor says Pistachi0n is the other scum.

^This shit is disturbingly obvious and it will only be more obvious when you realize I am town. When RadiantCowbells dies tonight, I strongly hope whoever's left of town won't get led astray by obvious scum. Netherspite is 100% the lynch tomorrow and Alchemist21 is 100% the lynch day five. Lynch Pistachi0n on day six and scum will have impaled themselves with their own sword.

Ankamius · Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:01 am

You do realize that if I was anything but VT, I'd already have claimed doctor by now, right?

Ankamius · Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:02 am

Or self-hammered?

Ankamius · Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:02 am

Or both?

Ankamius · Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:03 am

The way I handled this makes no sense whatsoever from a scum perspective.

Ankamius · Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:19 am

Because it's a no brainer move for scum to make when town apathy is already high and there's a replacement request outstanding.

Ankamius · Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:39 am

Ankamius · Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:46 am

Easy.

Claim doc
Get counterclaim
Selfhammer

Ankamius · Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:50 am

Because that would be a gambit with a very low chance of success and would put my partners in a worse spot if it fails than if I just outed the other conftown and kept town from getting more than one conftown for the rest of the game?

This isn't rocket science.

Ankamius · Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:38 pm

In post 1300, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 1285, Ankamius wrote:You do realize that if I was anything but VT, I'd already have claimed doctor by now, right?

Not if you think you have a shot of the lynch not going through.

At the time, I was L-1 with someone off the wagon fully willing to hammer.

It's safe to assume that a hammer would be very likely after a replacement is found and relatively caught up.

Ankamius · Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:44 pm

UNVOTE: Netherspite

I think I need to reset. #1284 from Thesp is hands down the scummiest single post in the entire game; that combined with the wagon on me suddenly losing a significant amount of its teeth is making me paranoid that scum have predominantly been riding the waves instead of trying to make them.

Ankamius · Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:24 am

In post 1328, davesaz wrote:
In post 1326, Ankamius wrote:UNVOTE: Netherspite

I think I need to reset. #1284 from Thesp is hands down the scummiest single post in the entire game;

What about it?

1. He's been around on the site long enough that I'd expect him to have an idea of what scum would want to do in this situation. Him asking for a claim is really hollow.

2. His All Alone suspicion in that post is bogus. I don't understand why he'd condemn All Alone for taking so long to take a side in the debate when the latter ended up taking my side in the end. It makes very little sense for a scumpartner to wait until it's nearly inevitable that I get lynched to come to my defense. He was trying to discredit all the lifelines I had to make sure I get lynched.

Ankamius · Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:56 am

In post 1333, Thesp wrote:

In post 1322, Alchemist21 wrote:I think Dave is the best bet for now. If I get time and clear my head I'll look some things back over, but right now I'm still clouded in my thoughts.

I could totally go with that. I still don't like Ankamius, but davesaz is just
terribad
.

In post 1324, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:I am town. Where do we go from there?

I'd love to hear your thoughts, and fairly pronto.

In post 1331, Ankamius wrote:2. His All Alone suspicion in that post is bogus. I don't understand why he'd condemn All Alone for taking so long to take a side in the debate when the latter ended up taking my side in the end. It makes very little sense for a scumpartner to wait until it's nearly inevitable that I get lynched to come to my defense. He was trying to discredit all the lifelines I had to make sure I get lynched.

I'm unclear - are you suggesting that as scum I wouldn't simply lynch you when I had the chance? Also, do you think All Alone was avoiding taking a stance between you and Netherspite?

No, I don't think All Alone was avoiding taking a stance. I think he was just AFK for a couple days and

couldn't

give a stance.

And yes, you wouldn't lynch me while you had the chance because that would be unnecessary. With the catfight going on at the time, bringing undue attention to yourself as scum is a very bad idea.

Ankamius · Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:43 pm

Nether: List all your reads from scummiest to towniest.

Ankamius · Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:48 am

I'm getting to this tonight.

Ankamius · Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:14 pm

In post 1336, Thesp wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1335, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1333, Thesp wrote:

In post 1322, Alchemist21 wrote:I think Dave is the best bet for now. If I get time and clear my head I'll look some things back over, but right now I'm still clouded in my thoughts.

I could totally go with that. I still don't like Ankamius, but davesaz is just
terribad
.

In post 1324, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:I am town. Where do we go from there?

I'd love to hear your thoughts, and fairly pronto.

In post 1331, Ankamius wrote:2. His All Alone suspicion in that post is bogus. I don't understand why he'd condemn All Alone for taking so long to take a side in the debate when the latter ended up taking my side in the end. It makes very little sense for a scumpartner to wait until it's nearly inevitable that I get lynched to come to my defense. He was trying to discredit all the lifelines I had to make sure I get lynched.

I'm unclear - are you suggesting that as scum I wouldn't simply lynch you when I had the chance? Also, do you think All Alone was avoiding taking a stance between you and Netherspite?

No, I don't think All Alone was avoiding taking a stance. I think he was just AFK for a couple days and
couldn't
give a stance.

And yes, you wouldn't lynch me while you had the chance because that would be unnecessary. With the catfight going on at the time, bringing undue attention to yourself as scum is a very bad idea.

You think All Alone simply read past what was being said on Thursday and Friday when he posted on Friday, or wasn't interested in what was being said there? I'm explicitly talking about his Friday post, not being gone over the weekend.

Also, what do you think of davesaz's 4th vote on you here?

I think it's basically null since the game was barely getting out of its apathetic rut.

Davesaz's vote on me is lazy, but what strikes me as weird about it is how little it looks like he cares. Either he's just town that doesn't give a shit or he's scum on a wagon that's mostly town. I don't see a scumteam not putting in a lot of effort to get me lynched if they're going to go all out in wagoning me.

Ankamius · Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:30 pm

VOTE: Netherspite

I still think this is the best play for today.

Other than Thesp (kinda) and davesaz (I don't consider his vote on me a stance; it's WAY too lazy), everyone else has had a pretty one-sided stance one way or the other on the Netherspite vs me fight. If Nether was town, I'd expect the scumteam would be positioning more to ride out and see who gets lynched, and then push the other tomorrow as that would be the path of least resistance.

Ankamius · Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:59 pm

I would suggest reading through the entirety of day three at least if you read anything this game. There's a ton of cases, associatives, info, etc. throughout that could be really key to this game.

I can link some scumgames, hold on.

Ankamius · Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:03 pm

Micro 479
Corpse Party
Micro 391
Touhou: Mitlof

That's every scumgame I have in the past year or so. Both of the micros were pretty garbage games all around, though.

Ankamius · Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:07 pm

Yeah, this is LyLo.

I'm having trouble seeing Thesp and All Alone being a scumteam and I'm leaning Thesp being scum if there is one between them. All Alone's case on him a while back looks more town and as I said near the end of the last day, Thesp's attack on All Alone looks fabricated as hell.

Ankamius · Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:26 am

Player List wrote:davesaz (replaces Sword Master)
pistachi0n
Fluminator
St Constantine the Hermit
(replaces TheDominator37)
RadiantCowbells
All Alone
Thesp
Ankamius (replaces Quaroath)

Fluminator

(conftown)

Ankamius

(duh)

Thesp/All Alone

(at least one is almost certainly town)

Davesaz
Pistachi0n
RadiantCowbells
All Alone/Thesp

^ Scumteam is within this group. I'd prefer a lynch within the first two due to the minimum odds of it being a scum lynch being 66% assuming I'm correct about All Alone and Thesp not being a team.

Ankamius · Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:28 am

I think I need to straight up reread the whole game.

I haven't done that in fucking years.

Ankamius · Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:48 am

I'm seeing an RC+Thesp scumteam being really likely after just going through the first 6-7 pages.

Ankamius · Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:34 am

Fluminator: Look at this vote count and give me your thoughts on the Netherspite wagon; it's disturbingly nonsensical for me.

All five of the non-confirmed players besides me were condemning the wagon or taking a Nether-town stance, yet my slot is the only thing not confirmed town on that wagon. It had very little chance of ever going through without them either since:

a. It requires 3 more votes and the people off that list and not on the wagon (and Netherspite himself) already amounted to a grand total of three people.
b. Two slots were being replaced; one on the wagon and one off. Even if it was lucky that both of the replacements would support the wagon, that would still only amount to five votes.
c. Eventi was on other things and while he wasn't townreading Nether, all scum could count on was him deciding to compromise on him if it got enough support.
d. Netherspite was obviously never going to vote himself. The last slot in the list mentioned in the (a) point is duppin, who was townreading Netherspite.

So it's obvious that scum weren't counting on the wagon going through without them. For some reason, scum were just straight up wanting to avoid the Netherspite wagon like the plague, which is what I can't figure out. Reads can't be the reason since Netherspite was only scumreading town (Eventi+Dominator+Firebringer) and the only other thing I can think of is Eventi's Thesp read since Dominator was very off base.

Ankamius · Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:56 pm

Here's the notes I made several hours back before I ran into the problem I hit in 1427. I'm restarting my computer now and I'll probably forget I even have these if I don't put these up now, so here you go.

Page 1-4 -> RadiantCowbells goes full retard onto Thesp and Thesp calls it not genuine but doesn't want a lynch on RC. Not really sure how to take this.
Thesp #133 -> No problem with one flipped town wagon; iffy on the other. Not interested in the RC wagon and talked himself out of his All Alone scumread.
Netherspite #136 -> Note that the only name on this wagon that isn't flipped town is my slot. This RC wagon is literally pure town. There's a definite RC+Thesp link here now. Alchemist makes a good point in the post after that RC isn't voting for Thesp despite having a strong(?) scumread on him, instead voting someone he said was town.
Thesp #222 -> Subtle buddying with RadiantCowbells here. Of note is that of his four scumreads, the only non-flipped player is the davesaz slot.
Davesaz -> His early posts are responses with no questions or stances. His only stance by the time he's caught up is that Thesp might be scum, but he's not sure. (see #261)
pistachi0n #270 -> Slight townread on this post. For reference, duppin was the slot being referenced here.
VC #279 -> RC+Thesp is on eventi. All Alone is on Flum-slot. Pistachi0n+davesaz are unvoted. If my theory of an RC+Thesp team is correct, the other scum would be very wary to jump on the eventi wagon so fast.
Devesaz #289 -> Asks about Eventi's Thesp vote while providing nothing else immediately. He asks a bunch of questions slightly later on but still provides close to nothing with stances.
Davesaz #360 -> The game basically explodes into a bunch of different directions and this is what davesaz responds to?
VC #363 -> The largest wagon is not only all town, but it's ON town, which is really interesting. RC condemned it, Pistachi0n townread Nether, Thesp isn't feeling the Nether wagon, davesaz has no opinions, and All Alone was townreading Nether up to a while after this VC. Scum clearly either want this wagon to go through without their help (unlikely; duppin was townreading Nether The Dominator wagon has 2/3 unconfirmed (Thesp/All Alone). The other three are spread out on vanity wagons or not voting at all (you guessed it, davesaz)

Ankamius · Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:58 pm

FTR I'm in support of the doctor claiming today.

Ankamius · Fri Sep 04, 2015 8:12 am

Doc claiming is inconvenient for scum. That's why it's a good idea.

Ankamius · Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:34 am

In post 1459, Thesp wrote:Right now, it's far better to make scum have to call someone suspicious who later turns up provably innocent.

No.

Ankamius · Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:36 am

I shouldn't even have to point out how wagoning up the actual town doctor and having a scum counterclaim with the favorable side of the exchange is pro-scum.

I have a very difficult time believing this never crossed Thesp's mind.

Ankamius · Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:38 am

I'm getting very close to the point where Thesp is the only lynch I'm accepting today. Team Mafia's not happening a second time.

Ankamius · Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:40 am

In post 1464, Fluminator wrote:I think my thoughts on Dave will be cleared up pretty soon.

Ank, could you point me to the case All alone made that looked town to you? I'm having a hard time seeing him be town at this point.

It's less about the case itself and more about the two cases on each other making me doubt they're a scumteam together.

Ankamius · Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:12 am

idk Flum, you might be on to something.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:30 am

Spoiler: All VCs; Names updated and flips color-coded

In post 59, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Thesp
(2): All Alone,
Alchemist21

Ankamius
(1):
eventi

eventi
(1): Ankamius

All Alone
(1):
Not_Mafia

Fluminator
(1):
Netherspite

pistachi0n
(1):
duppin

Netherspite
(1):
Fluminator

duppin
(1): pistachi0n

Firebringer
(1): RadiantCowbells

Not Voting
(3):
Thesp
, davesaz,
Firebringer

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

In post 100, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Thesp
(2): All Alone, Ankamius

Ankamius
(1):
eventi

All Alone
(1):
Not_Mafia

Alchemist21
(1): RadiantCowbells

Fluminator
(1):
Netherspite

pistachi0n
(1):
duppin

Netherspite
(1):
Fluminator

duppin
(1): pistachi0n

RadiantCowbells
(1):
Alchemist21

Not Voting
(3):
Thesp
, davesaz,
Firebringer

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

In post 125, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

RadiantCowbells
(2):
Alchemist21
,
Firebringer

Thesp
(2): All Alone, Ankamius

Firebringer
(2):
Netherspite
, RadiantCowbells

All Alone
(1):
Not_Mafia

pistachi0n
(1):
duppin

Netherspite
(1):
Fluminator

duppin
(1): pistachi0n

Ankamius
(1):
eventi

Not Voting
(2):
Thesp
, davesaz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

In post 175, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

RadiantCowbells
(4):
Alchemist21
,
Firebringer
,
eventi
,
Fluminator

davesaz
(1):
Thesp

eventi
(1):
Netherspite

pistachi0n
(1):
duppin

Netherspite
(1): Ankamius

duppin
(1): pistachi0n

Thesp
(1): All Alone

Ankamius
(1): RadiantCowbells

Not Voting
(2):
Not_Mafia
, davesaz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

Fluminator
is V/LA until 7/18
davesaz has been prodded

Note:
In post 146, TheDominator37 wrote:I'm going with who I think is most scummy atm
VOTE: rad

The Votecounter thought you were voting for swo
rd
m
a
ster here. Please try to spell out at least 'radiant' or 'cowbells' in the future

In post 228, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Netherspite
(3): Ankamius,
Fluminator
,
eventi

eventi
(2):
Netherspite
, RadiantCowbells

Fluminator
(2): All Alone,
duppin

duppin
(2): pistachi0n,
Alchemist21

davesaz
(1):
Thesp

RadiantCowbells
(1):
Firebringer

Not Voting
(2):
Not_Mafia
, davesaz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Fluminator
is V/LA until 7/18

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

In post 279, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

eventi
(4):
Netherspite
, RadiantCowbells,
Thesp
,
Fluminator

Fluminator
(2): All Alone,
duppin

Netherspite
(2): Ankamius,
eventi

duppin
(1):
Alchemist21

RadiantCowbells
(1):
Firebringer

Not Voting
(3):
Not_Mafia
, davesaz, pistachi0n

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Ankamius has been prodded

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

In post 363, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Netherspite
(4): Ankamius,
Fluminator
,
Alchemist21
,
Firebringer

Fluminator
(3): All Alone,
duppin
,
Thesp

eventi
(2):
Netherspite
, pistachi0n

Thesp
(1):
eventi

Firebringer
(1): RadiantCowbells

Not Voting
(2):
Not_Mafia
, davesaz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Not_Mafia
will be prodded

If I can't find a replacement for Ankamius deadline will be fixed at 2 days for 2 days. Then I'll modkill the slot. So tell your friends to join!

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

In post 425, ActionDan wrote:Ankamius replaces Ankamius effective immediately.

Official Vote Count

eventi
(6):
Netherspite
, pistachi0n,
Fluminator
, davesaz,
duppin
,
Thesp

Netherspite
(3):
Alchemist21
,
Firebringer
, Ankamius

Firebringer
(1): RadiantCowbells

Fluminator
(2):
eventi
, All Alone

Not Voting
(1):
Not_Mafia

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 12:00:00)

In post 447, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

eventi
(6):
Netherspite
, pistachi0n,
Fluminator
, davesaz,
duppin
,
Thesp

Netherspite
(3):
Alchemist21
,
Firebringer
,
eventi

Firebringer
(2): RadiantCowbells, Ankamius

Not_Mafia
(1): All Alone

Not Voting
(1):
Not_Mafia

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-25 23:30:00)

In post 625, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

eventi
(7):
Netherspite
, pistachi0n,
Fluminator
, davesaz,
duppin
,
Thesp
,
Not_Mafia

(Lynched!)

Fluminator
(3):
eventi
, RadiantCowbells, Ankamius

Netherspite
(2):
Alchemist21
,
Firebringer

Not_Mafia
(1): All Alone

Not Voting
(0):
None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Alchemist21
will be prodded

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-07-26 00:30:00)

Flip incoming!

In post 800, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Not_Mafia
(3): Pistachi0n, Radiant Cowbells, Ankamius

Thesp
(1): All Alone

Alchemist21
(2):
Fluminator
,
Thesp

Fluminator
(3): ,
Alchemist21
,
Netherspite
,
Not_Mafia

Not Voting
(2):
duppin
, davesaz

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-10 18:30:00)

In post 851, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Not_Mafia
(3): pistachi0n, RadiantCowbells, Ankamius

Thesp
(3): All Alone,
Not_Mafia
, davesaz

All Alone
(1):
Alchemist21

Alchemist21
(2):
Thesp
,
Fluminator

Not Voting
(2):
Netherspite
,
duppin

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-10 18:30:00)

In post 840, TheDominator37 wrote:I'll try to analyze and stuff. I hate being the guy to drop out
VOTE: alc

Votecounter processed this incorrectly as pistachi0n. Please use 'alchemist' in the future

I've been terrible with upkeep, I realize

In post 925, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Thesp
(3): All Alone,
Not_Mafia
, davesaz

Alchemist21
(2):
Thesp
,
Fluminator

Not_Mafia
(2): pistachi0n, Ankamius

All Alone
(1):
Alchemist21

davesaz
(1): RadiantCowbells

Not Voting
(2):
Netherspite
,
duppin

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-10 18:30:00)

In post 982, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Thesp
(4): All Alone,
Not_Mafia
, davesaz,
Fluminator

Not_Mafia
(3): pistachi0n, Ankamius,
Thesp

All Alone
(1):
Alchemist21

davesaz
(1): RadiantCowbells

Not Voting
(2):
Netherspite
,
duppin

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-10 18:30:00)

In post 1056, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Thesp
(4): All Alone, davesaz,
Fluminator
,
Not_Mafia

Not_Mafia
(4): pistachi0n, Ankamius,
Alchemist21
,
Thesp

davesaz
(2): RadiantCowbells,
duppin

Not Voting
(1):
Netherspite

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-12 14:10:00)

In post 1077, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

Not_Mafia
(6): pistachi0n, Ankamius,
Alchemist21
,
Thesp
,
Fluminator
, RadiantCowbells
(Lynched!)

Thesp
(3): All Alone, davesaz,
Not_Mafia

davesaz
(1):
duppin

Not Voting
(1):
Netherspite

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Flip incoming

In post 1102, ActionDan wrote:
Official Vote Count

davesaz
(3):
Netherspite
,
Alchemist21
, pistachi0n

All Alone
(1):
Thesp

Alchemist21
(1):
Fluminator

Netherspite
(1): RadiantCowbells

Thesp
(1): All Alone

Not Voting
(2): Ankamius, davesaz

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-27 14:20:00)

In post 1214, BBmolla wrote:
"Official" Vote Count

Ankamius
(3):
Alchemist21
,
Netherspite
, pistachi0n

Alchemist21
(2):
Fluminator
, Ankamius

pistachi0n
(2): All Alone, RadiantCowbells

davesaz
(1):
Thesp

Not Voting
(2): davesaz

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-27 14:20:00)

Lemme know if you see errors. Once I get the okay I'll find a Dom replacement.[/color]

In post 1272, BBmolla wrote:
"Official" Vote Count

Ankamius
(3):
Alchemist21
,
Netherspite
, pistachi0n

Netherspite
(2): Ankamius, RadiantCowbells

Alchemist21
(1):
Fluminator

pistachi0n
(1): All Alone

davesaz
(1):
Thesp

Not Voting
(2): davesaz

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-27 14:20:00)

FINDING DOM REPLACEMENT[/color]

In post 1301, BBmolla wrote:
"Official" Vote Count

Ankamius
(3):
Netherspite
, pistachi0n, davesaz

Netherspite
(3): Ankamius, RadiantCowbells, All Alone

davesaz
(2):
Thesp
,
Alchemist21
,

Alchemist21
(1):
Fluminator

Not Voting
(0):

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-29 14:20:00)

Fluminator
replaces Dom.
I'm extending the deadline two days to compensate for how long the slot was inactive.
[/color]

In post 1354, BBmolla wrote:
Official Vote Count

Ankamius
(2): pistachi0n, davesaz

davesaz
(2):
Thesp
,
Alchemist21
,

Netherspite
(1): RadiantCowbells,

Alchemist21
(1):
Fluminator

pistachi0n
(1): All Alone

Not Voting
(0): Ankamius,
Netherspite
,

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-29 14:20:00)[/u][/color]

In post 1398, BBmolla wrote:
Official Vote Count

Netherspite
(5): RadiantCowbells, Ankamius, All Alone,
Thesp
, pistachi0n

Alchemist21
(2):
Fluminator
,
Netherspite
,

Ankamius
(1): davesaz,

davesaz
(1):
Alchemist21
,

Not Voting
(0):

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-08-29 14:20:00)[/u][/color]

In post 1454, BBmolla wrote:
Official Vote Count

pistachi0n (1): RadiantCowbells
davesaz (1):
Thesp

Not Voting
(7): All Alone, Ankamius,
Fluminator
, davesaz, pistachi0n,

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-09-16 20:02:00)[/color]

Interesting Notes:

Early RadiantCowbells wagon is 100% town. Note to see who was against the wagon and why.
First time scum potentially voted together at all according to vote counts is davesaz+pistachi0n slots on eventi at the end of day 1.

Vote Count 851 is extremely important. Every single possible scum is voting either Persivul or Thesp.

Note to look at RC's vote change between 851 and 925. This makes me think RC+pistachi0n wagon is even more likely since it's consistent with the day 1 strategy and it's not risky at all to do.

Early day 3: Scum are again spacing out their votes.
#1214: 2 unconfirmed votes on another unconfirmed.
#1301: All scum are trying to keep this 1v1 between Netherspite and me going. All Alone flinches off of the train first, only to end up on Netherspite shortly after. Minimum of two scum on the end of the Netherspite wagon; minimum of one joining up after the 1v1 ended. Note to look between 1354+1398 to see how people treated davesaz. Potential strong link between davesaz and All Alone/pistachi0n.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:31 am

I'm seeing two predominant patterns throughout this game.

1. Scum are spacing out their votes as much as possible.
2. When a 1v1 happens, it's always the potential scum that are supporting + furthering the 1v1. Shortly after this happens, someone jumps off one of the wagons onto a vanity wagon.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:32 am

In post 1509, Ankamius wrote:RC+pistachi0n wagon

*team

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:34 am

pistachi0n + All Alone + RadiantCowbells looks extraordinarily likely just from VCA alone and assuming the above two patterns are true. I'm not willing to stake the game on this yet, but it's a good starting point to see if this is likely or not.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:35 am

1214 is the only thing that's preventing this from being an Occam's Razor situation. That wagon is really weird from this type of scumteam and I'd have to look closer into it.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:37 am

eh

I'm going to wait until All Alone chimes in before doing any other work.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:09 pm

Yeah, Pistachi0n is 100% scum

Still waiting for All Alone before I vote, though.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:10 pm

In post 1519, RadiantCowbells wrote:Also, Ankamius's analysis is extremely straw graspy and shit. No one goes into scum chat and says "OK we're going to follow this pattern of votes," and without that being the case the entire exercise is meaningless.

VCA is terrible in general and that's got to be one of the worst examples I've ever seen.

If you're town, you need to pull your head out of your ass.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:13 pm

Wait, I'm at L-1?

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:16 pm

No, I see what you mean now.

If I get quickhammered, whatever. Town collectively has been terrible the whole game and we have no business actually winning this game.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:24 pm

I don't know whether to spam or lurk right now.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:28 pm

I really don't want to risk ending the day before All Alone chimes in at least once.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:30 pm

In post 1537, Fluminator wrote:We could try to swing it to Piatachi0n since Radiant voted her. Get her to L-1.
I sort of like Thesp's point on her though. I didn't realize my slot claimed VT.

I really don't like these kinds of slips for either alignment since they tend to be wrong, especially townslips.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:34 pm

That head out of your ass comment is about your response to my analysis. Not only was it not meant to be a case by itself, but most of that is details of the patterns I noticed. 90% of it is literally just facts.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:35 pm

THESP YOU NEED TO UNVOTE RIGHT NOW

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:37 pm

God, this game was painful as fuck.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:40 pm

What I'm most pissed off about is that I was fucking spot on at the end and that's why town lost the game.
Persivul flipping town is a close second.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:49 pm

oh, whoops.

Yeah, that would've instantly won the game.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:53 pm

No, your only chance would've been davesaz not paying any attention to the situation.

Lynch pistachi0n
Thesp nightkilled
Lynch All Alone
Fluminator nightkilled

You'd have to convince davesaz that All Alone's naked vote on me was a bus attempt. I don't think he would've been as ignorant as Vonflare was.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:54 pm

Sorry, namedropping was really shitty of me.

It would've been significantly more difficult this time around because the situation is more in my favor this time and the deciding vote is paying more attention this time.

I'll amend my statement to that.

Ankamius · Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:55 pm

Thesp, you shouldn't ever vote in LyLo as town unless you're sure of votes.

Ankamius · Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:21 am

In post 1582, Thesp wrote:
In post 1564, Ankamius wrote:Thesp, you shouldn't ever vote in LyLo as town unless you're sure of votes.

I was as sure of my votes as I was going to be. I was also tired of the game going to deadlines every single day. I really should have gone with All Alone instead today as its somewhat criminal what we let him get away with, but oh well. Well played, scum.

Abuse of power opening ActionDan's Private Topics on the game:
First Graveyard PT
Mafia PT

You said you could see a scumteam without me in it being possible, though.

We didn't even get a chance to see if All Alone was going to counterclaim or not. That's why I was specifically waiting since that would've changed everything and made my entire analysis useless.

Ankamius · Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:27 am

I was just about to ask.