Mini Normal 1707 - Frog Mafia! - GAME OVER - TOWN WIN!

[singersigner]

It's between him and Pistacio at this point, imo.

[notscience]

I am leaning more pistachio but i will follow you!

[notscience]

Wait pistachio is veegeeslot

Huh.

[ika]

can we do me first?

[AxleGreaser]

I'm a town ascetic cop. Will be around more tomorrow

Also, with the claims on the table, why hasn't anyone asked what those results were just to narrow it down? >_>

???

So as an unprotectable ascetic cop you have some results that you want to tell us about?

[singersigner]

They already said notscience and scorpious weren't scum unless they were godfathers.

[notscience]

I don't really see a crumbed innocent in his iso.

[singersigner]

Screw it.

Unless Scorp's godfather, he's town.

VOTE: Mala

There's no way we have a town JK, RCop, BRcop, and a regular cop. Either the JK or the BRcop is lying/scum.

Also, unless NS or Scorp is godfather, they're both conftown.

Really, notty? Really...

[notscience]

I mean like

Earlier.

Like, come into a day and sneak an innocent in there in case you die.

[zakk]

Okay well

I'm gonna lurk until a wagon magically forms

[AxleGreaser]

I'm gonna lurk until a wagon magically forms

VOTE: Zakk

the magic wagon lived by the sea.

[zakk]

VOTE: zakk

seems legit






choo choo

[zakk]

VOTE: zakk

seems legit






choo choo

[pistachi0n]

It's between him and Pistacio at this point, imo.

I'm a VT

[Malakittens]

okay and the other result...?

[Malakittens]

Player	Role	Additional info
MaxwellPuckett	Mafia Encryptor	Lynched D1, fakeclaimed VT
Shiro	Mafia Goon	Lynched D2, fakeclaimed JOAT {1-shot doc/tracker/commuter} Used the 1 shot doc to protect singer night 1
BlueBloodedToffee	VT	Lynched D3
Malakittens	Town Jailkeeper	N1 Singer, N2 BBT, N3 Scorpi
Scorpious	VT	None
Ika	VT	None
AxleGreaser	VT	None
Zakk	Town Backup Role Cop	Will get rolecop when rolecop dies.
Metal Sonic	???	???
shaddowez	town ascetic cop	???
notscience	???	???
pistachi0n	VT	None
singersigner	VT	none.

[pistachi0n]

okay and the other result...?

What other result?

I appreciate the table.

[Malakittens]

IDK I wanted him to full claim the results.

everyone can shut up about speculation until the results are out.

[shaddowez]

I only have two results I'm willing to give right now, and if I'm alive I'll explain why tomorrow. Singer posted what I had as results already - notscience and Scorpious are both town. I investigated NS because of the D1 push on Mala. I didn't have a scumread on Mala, and wanted to confirm that NS wasn't scum pushing early on (might have been a bad read on my end, but it is what it is). I investigated Scorp last night because I knew he was going to be a lynch target today, and wanted to make sure we weren't lynching town, which as I said, unless he's a godfather we are.

My suggestion is we lynch somebody today (probably zakk). If he's scum, we win. If not, Mala JK's somebody (probably Scorp again). If I live, either Scorp is scum and we lynch him tomorrow, or scum decided to not NK again and let a cop live, in which case even if we mislynch tomorrow, we have a living cop. If I'm dead, it's either Mala or both Mala and Scorp are cleared.

Thoughts?

[shaddowez]

Before asked, my last result won't matter if I'm dead, and will do nothing to further the gamestate today.

Also, the reason I didn't even put hints out earlier was since I'm unprotectable, I didn't want scum to even have a hint that I was a cop until it mattered. That's also why I was trying to play a bit scummy, so they'd leave me alive for a chance of a mislynch.

[zakk]

Interesting.

So with all we know now, there are a lot of "possibly scum" options.

Here is my recommendation:

If we reach the end of claims and Metal Sonic claims and is a rolecop, we simply have him rolecop anyone you copped that we suspect might be a godfather (Scorpius). Checking the wiki shows that godfathers will appear as godfathers to rolecops in normal games.

After we know results we cross reference them all, and do Process of Elimination.

Whoever is left, gets thrown in a pool. We agree who's the scummiest, and lynch them. My claim is partially corroborated by us having a crapload of power roles to role cop. My claim is also partially corroborated by metal Sonic's claim. It doesn't make sense to have a town backup rolecop get powers from lynching a scum full rolecop unless scum would possibly get something enabled from a town flip as well. Having a JK, Ascetic Cop, Rolecop, and Backup Rolecop is really powerful for town, and scum don't have a roleblocker unless it's Scorpius and the JK resolves first or cancels out. Therefore, the only thing that would make sense for scum to even CLOSE to match town's power, would be Encryptor AND godfather. And Scorpius' VT claim is entirely in line with that.

Personally I think Scorpius is a godfather, and I was right in this post:

Okay, this will be the best post of the game. Guaranteed.

Here's how I see things.

N1: Mala would have to have either jailed scum, or jailed who scum tried to kill. assuming scum tried to kill you, that's fair, seeing as you more or less led the lynch on Nosferatu/Maxwell. also, it strains rational thought to believe scum would begin a no-kill gambit on N1 in a normal. even though they lost their encryptor (which I doubt is their only power role, seeing as we appear to have a JK, a rolecop, and a backup rolecop).

N2: Mala said she jailed BBT, who heavily suspected scorpious. she also pre-hinted that BBT would be jailed. i think it's likely that scorpious could have not caught that (as I didn't either). it is really likely Scorpious would have targeted BBT, as BBT was one of the largest proponents of his lynch. And as the last scum player alive after Shiro was lynched D2, he had to play survivalistically. Which he's been doing again, today, voting Mala (only way she'll die, because he can't kill her if she blocks him again, and it's a good bet she will/would if we don't/didn't lynch one of them) or voting me (the only other remote possibility, given Mala's "freaken hate" for me, and given AxleGreaser's pigheadedness (sorry, lol). So everything is consistent with Scorpious being scum and making all the choices he needs to, to survive.

N3: Mala said she jailed Scorpious. There was no kill. This is entirely consistent with Scorpious being scum and just not catching the "you're next BBT" soft by Mala. Scorpious as scum would probably try to kill Mala as a claimed JK. And by probably, I mean definitely.

So really, all signs point to Scorpious. As ridiculous as Mala is being, especially since she's supposed to KNOW she's a JK and there should be no doubt in her mind of other shenaniganery going down... again, it really strains the mind to think that scum got blocked on D1, and then was SO confident that they thought they could hang Mala out to dry, as well as everyone she blocked. I would think scum would keep trying to kill. I know I would. Again, just because it's POSSIBLE does not mean it is PROBABLE.

I assume Scorpious tried as a last ditch effort to kill Mala last night, and got blocked.

So really, we've been handed the game on a silver platter. And a lot of it's just blind luck on Mala's part. Haha

VOTE: Scorpious -- I'm final. This is the only vote I'll do today.

Nothing else makes sense.

[pistachi0n]

If it's not Scorp or Zakk, it's Mala. Also--Mala shouldn't tell us who she's going to JK before the night starts. If the person she's picking isn't scum, the remaining scum will know not to kill them.

[Scorpious]

Its not me..

but its cool. Maybe learning that guarantees us the win..

lynch accordingly

[zakk]

Ooh I forgot to finish my plan.

If we lynch someone other than Scorpius and they're town, then metal sonic and malakittens don't claim who they are targetting, and target EITHER Scorpius, or someone else who shaddowez has cleared as ascetic cop. Functionally, this leaves Scorpius as hypothetical scum with two choices: try to kill mala when she's not targeting him, or try to kill metal sonic for fear he'll role cop him as godfather if Mala isn't also jailing him. This is double effective because as soon as sonic dies, if scum Scorpius ever guesses right, we still have me as a backup.

If we lynch Scorpius, and he's town, the game progresses as normal and the last scum tries their best to kill off all the power roles before they get PoEd into oblivion.

If we lynch Scorpius and he's scum, game over, we win, yay.

[zakk]

I say we lynch Scorpious today.