Open 609: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Vedith]

Cool, that's a meta read, but what about this game? You are happy this is town!mario?

Happy enough not to lynch.

[Shiro]

Shiro forgot her color

That means Shiro is scum.

Most defenetly does


Also welcome performer.

[Performer]

Shiro forgot her color

That means Shiro is scum.

Most defenetly does


Also welcome performer.

Thanks for the warm welcome! Got a ton to catch up on. Fortunately it's only 30 pages in, instead of 100+ pages in.

[Bellaphant]

Hiii Performer

@Shiro, Luna, how much of a fun sponge would I be if I asked one of you to change your avvie/colour - I'm having really trouble differentiating you (dyslexia, prolly).

Also, @fire, scum! Town games always seem to start with a tonne of pressure on me for reasons I can't understand, a bad day 1, and then I get into it day 2. I'm trying to hydra to break that pattern. I feel better about this game now, if that helps?

[Performer]

Hey Bellaphant!

Also, hey Mario, and PantherPunt LOL. It's a small world after all. I have my eye on you, PantherPunt.

[Bellaphant]

You an alt, Performer? (References to 100 page games)

[Shiro]

@Shiro, Luna, how much of a fun sponge would I be if I asked one of you to change your avvie/colour - I'm having really trouble differentiating you (dyslexia, prolly).

Better?

[Luna Fox]

Btw, im not hammering before the replacement catches up and stuff.
I'm also not hammering if i like Silver's reply

[Shiro]

I'm also not hammering if i like Silver's reply

implies silver will reply



inb4 he does after this post

[Firebringer]

Shiros new avatar scares me.

[Shiro]

Shiros new avatar scares me.

Actual size fufufu

[Firebringer]

That still scares me.

[Shiro]

That still scares me.

Stop being scared

[Bellaphant]

Shiro, really appreciate it <3

[Luna Fox]

Now, even I am scared

[Shiro]

Now, even I am scared

[Luna Fox]

Cute

[Firebringer]

This is me:


I am cuter.

[Luna Fox]

I think we need to work on your definition of cute

[PantherPunt]

Hey Bellaphant!

Also, hey Mario, and PantherPunt LOL. It's a small world after all. I have my eye on you, PantherPunt.

Gotta be Plotti Plot? no?

[PantherPunt]

unless someone from MafiaUniverse, then it could be a number of people

[Alchemist21]

The TTH wagon overall is bad. Panther's vote stems from a paranoia that TTH even sourced back to their Newbie game, and I don't know whynp that's suspicous to anyone. SilverJaws took that reasoning and ran with it. Luna and Max just sheeped Panther onto the wagon, and from what I can tell Max isn't even scumreading her, just thinks she hasn't been "terrible Towny."

Well since TTH couldn't explain how my vote stems from paranoia, maybe

you

can, since you

agree

. Why does my suspicion of her correlate to the fact that I had scum IC/SE in my first newbie game? Why/how is there any correlation?
To that point in the game, these were her posts:

Spoiler: All TTH posts prior to me saying I had a bad feeling about her

Hi Alch, ika, Bella! ^_^/~

VOTE: Bella

My vote stems from Post 33. Complaining about the gamestate when there wasn't anything particularly annoying to complain about feels like an awkward space filler.

UNVOTE:

TTH heart naked voted rather than asking questions. Hmm.

"Hmm." indeed. I'm a little interested in why you would think that's scummy given how Bees went (reference).

Fire, what makes Ika Town in your opinion?

Have you ever played a game with ika before?

:S

Bella, why are you being super weird?

@tth: Define 'Super weird'.

She didn't directly acknowledge what I brought up about Bees! but did indirectly (and vaguely) concede that I tend to "votes [her] within a few rl days of the thread opening." It's a point that doesn't really have any relevance and certainly doesn't reveal anything about why she's scum reading me for my vote. The preceding sentence about Alchemist (also with little relevance to the current discussion) just makes it come off as trying to force a casual tone.

Hi ika! ^_^

All things considered, I'm doing OK. With the school year starting there's tons of stuff to do so I guess I can never say I'm bored. XD

VOTE: JoramvanVught

Unless I get some concrete proof he makes these kinds of commets as Town, I think this is the most likely to turn up scum atm.

Did a little stalking on this and he doesn't have any completed games and I'm working from the assumption that he's a newbie. What, specifically, about Joram is bothersome to you?

P-edit: See my previous post about him. However, you say he has no completed games and Lizard said he has 2 Town games... I need to see what's going on here.

I'm not counting dopey marathon games. -.-

X/

I saw "Day 5" in the thread title and assumed it was still ongoing...

It is way too late at night for me to be doing this.

so now the town block has {me, alch, tth and varian}

tth/varian: do you guys want to reject or add players?

pedit: its never too late

Add me on that list and you're set!

Do you have any scum reads?

Where does she look like a "prototypical" (if there is such a thing) SE/IC player who is also a "discussion leader" (in her own words)?


I agree that SilverJaws took the reasoning that I voiced, but he went into greater depth and explained it better and expounded upon it. Of course they are 99/100 NOT both scum in this case, but I HIGHLY doubt that they are both town. If the hammer on SilverJaws is going to happen, I can't stop it. And if he flips scum, you can give me a big fat "I TOLD YOU SO" but based on how these stagnant wagons have been sitting, I'd bet SilverJaws flips town.

Saying TTH would likely, for strategic purposes, be more involved as scum is not enough to justify a town read.

@Panther, it makes sense if TTH thought you were scumreading people that looked like IC's because of your past experience. People who had your experience may mistake traits characteristic of experienced players with traits of scum, because those characteristics are what they recognize. I can't really tell you what those characteristics are specifically, as I've never played a Newbie game myself. If TTH was in the same situation in the past, then I trust her judgement on the matter.

Since you asked, I'll just say it about SilverJaws. I'm pretty sure he's another alt, and he should know that it's good scumhunting form to try to have as many scumreads as there are scum in the game, so when he tries to justify suspecting 5 people vs. 3 because "scum can tailor their reads," it looks like someone who would just rather hold onto suspicion on as many people as possible.

[Shiro]

You can be more like this firebringer



P.edit: Totally love how were in a full out fluff mode and alche comes and is all serious like like xD

[Firebringer]

That is officially going to be my next avatar Shiro lol.
Thanks

[PantherPunt]

The TTH wagon overall is bad. Panther's vote stems from a paranoia that TTH even sourced back to their Newbie game, and I don't know whynp that's suspicous to anyone. SilverJaws took that reasoning and ran with it. Luna and Max just sheeped Panther onto the wagon, and from what I can tell Max isn't even scumreading her, just thinks she hasn't been "terrible Towny."

Well since TTH couldn't explain how my vote stems from paranoia, maybe

you

can, since you

agree

. Why does my suspicion of her correlate to the fact that I had scum IC/SE in my first newbie game? Why/how is there any correlation?
To that point in the game, these were her posts:

Spoiler: All TTH posts prior to me saying I had a bad feeling about her

Hi Alch, ika, Bella! ^_^/~

VOTE: Bella

My vote stems from Post 33. Complaining about the gamestate when there wasn't anything particularly annoying to complain about feels like an awkward space filler.

UNVOTE:

TTH heart naked voted rather than asking questions. Hmm.

"Hmm." indeed. I'm a little interested in why you would think that's scummy given how Bees went (reference).

Fire, what makes Ika Town in your opinion?

Have you ever played a game with ika before?

:S

Bella, why are you being super weird?

@tth: Define 'Super weird'.

She didn't directly acknowledge what I brought up about Bees! but did indirectly (and vaguely) concede that I tend to "votes [her] within a few rl days of the thread opening." It's a point that doesn't really have any relevance and certainly doesn't reveal anything about why she's scum reading me for my vote. The preceding sentence about Alchemist (also with little relevance to the current discussion) just makes it come off as trying to force a casual tone.

Hi ika! ^_^

All things considered, I'm doing OK. With the school year starting there's tons of stuff to do so I guess I can never say I'm bored. XD

VOTE: JoramvanVught

Unless I get some concrete proof he makes these kinds of commets as Town, I think this is the most likely to turn up scum atm.

Did a little stalking on this and he doesn't have any completed games and I'm working from the assumption that he's a newbie. What, specifically, about Joram is bothersome to you?

P-edit: See my previous post about him. However, you say he has no completed games and Lizard said he has 2 Town games... I need to see what's going on here.

I'm not counting dopey marathon games. -.-

X/

I saw "Day 5" in the thread title and assumed it was still ongoing...

It is way too late at night for me to be doing this.

so now the town block has {me, alch, tth and varian}

tth/varian: do you guys want to reject or add players?

pedit: its never too late

Add me on that list and you're set!

Do you have any scum reads?

Where does she look like a "prototypical" (if there is such a thing) SE/IC player who is also a "discussion leader" (in her own words)?


I agree that SilverJaws took the reasoning that I voiced, but he went into greater depth and explained it better and expounded upon it. Of course they are 99/100 NOT both scum in this case, but I HIGHLY doubt that they are both town. If the hammer on SilverJaws is going to happen, I can't stop it. And if he flips scum, you can give me a big fat "I TOLD YOU SO" but based on how these stagnant wagons have been sitting, I'd bet SilverJaws flips town.

Saying TTH would likely, for strategic purposes, be more involved as scum is not enough to justify a town read.

@Panther, it makes sense if TTH thought you were scumreading people that looked like IC's because of your past experience. People who had your experience may mistake traits characteristic of experienced players with traits of scum, because those characteristics are what they recognize. I can't really tell you what those characteristics are specifically, as I've never played a Newbie game myself. If TTH was in the same situation in the past, then I trust her judgement on the matter.

Since you asked, I'll just say it about SilverJaws. I'm pretty sure he's another alt, and he should know that it's good scumhunting form to try to have as many scumreads as there are scum in the game, so when he tries to justify suspecting 5 people vs. 3 because "scum can tailor their reads," it looks like someone who would just rather hold onto suspicion on as many people as possible.

Well you skirted the issue that I take. The issue I take is that she--TTH, you, and varian didn't *look like* any particular type of player. You had all posted next to nothing so how could it already look like some characterization? If she can't explain that logically (and she has failed to multiple times), then it was a fake/fabricated statement on her part that would only come from a scum-motivated place.

I'm pretty sure he's an alt or just has experience offsite, because of join date and the quality of posts. And I am suspicious of probably about 5 people. I think it's valid to scumread more than the set of scum so you can see how they react/how others in the thread react. You calling that bad form is a foreign idea to me. Do you see why it could be productive for town?
My mind isn't made up on SilverJaws... I just really don't like them for a lynch today. It's a very thin reason to have someone at L-1 (even in conjunction with Lizard's awkward exit).