Open 611 - Making Friends and Enemies (Game Over!)

[Alchemist21]

If anyone has any questions for a read except for those on "No idea yet" feel free to fire away.

Could you explain the Vedeith read? When fire refused to do so I chalked it up as some kind of pressure vote, but since you're seeing something there too I'd like to know what I'm missing.

[Alchemist21]

2 pagetops in a row? Fuck yeah.

[Luna Fox]

Could you explain the Vedeith read? When fire refused to do so I chalked it up as some kind of pressure vote, but since you're seeing something there too I'd like to know what I'm missing.

His read on Exp feels off.

[Vedith]

My read of Exo is spot on! I liked his entrance. How can me liking an entrance make me scummy?

[Luna Fox]

So let's talk about Exp's entrance

105 discredit of the town hunt strategy, again as i mentioned this was more of because of lack of experience so it's a null point.
108 mudslinging at kill for a playstyle difference.
111 wishy-washy stance (although he corrected this in his reads list)
posts 112, 115, 120 are all null because we're talking about what townhunting means.
128 Townreads everyone but ika and Heartless, gob townread is odd and unexplained, Heartless is scum for townreading everyone, which he's also doing.
132 An expansion of the Heartless townread.
134 Saying that the difference is he gave explanations for the townreads (why is he focusing on the fact that heartless didnt explain them, instead of asking for an explanation?).

What did you like about this.

[Luna Fox]

An expansion of the Heartless

townread

scumread.

EBWODP:

[Vedith]

But before Exo was posting, didn't you think of everyone as town but Ika? Please explain your point on him town reading everyone but Ika and Heartless. And what's odd about his read on Gob?
Exo actually believes that the reasons he gives are right and valid, even if not, believe me on this. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with any of his reads, but I like how he comes in, questions you for only town hunting (something I would do). 108 is a valid point about KTS. And to point the obvious out, he gives reasons for his reads, which is more than most have so far.

I agree with his comment in 105 where he says you should just hunt in general.

Again - How can my opinion on an entrance be the reason to go in your scum section (I assume that's what the section is).

[Luna Fox]

But before Exo was posting, didn't you think of everyone as town but Ika? Please explain your point on him town reading everyone but Ika and Heartless. And what's odd about his read on Gob?

He's accusing Heartless of townreading everyone.
If you remove Heartless he's also townreading everyone (except ika who is a null).
He's accusing Heartless of not providing explanations (Yet he never asked for them).
He also never explained his Gob read or at least not like his other reads, this bothers me because of all the people that had posted at that point Gob is the only one im not townreading and idk why he thinks his posts are townie.

Exo actually believes that the reasons he gives are right and valid, even if not, believe me on this. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with any of his reads, but I like how he comes in, questions you for only town hunting (something I would do). 108 is a valid point about KTS. And to point the obvious out, he gives reasons for his reads, which is more than most have so far.

See and this is the kind of explanation i was looking for.

Again - How can my opinion on an entrance be the reason to go in your scum section (I assume that's what the section is).

It is not, if it was I would've named it so, but I left the naming vague and open to interpretation intentionally.

Either way im satisfied with your explanation of the Exp townread, i disagree with it, but It doesn't look fake, so you can be town too.

[Luna Fox]

It is not, if it was I would've named it so, but I left the naming vague and open to interpretation intentionally.

Although now that i mentioned this it probably wont have any effect on Exp anyways so im just going to say that it is a "People im disagreeing with and i would like to figure out why" list.

[Vedith]

Yeah, as I said, I'm not for or against his reads. I guess I can see with the questioning Heartless looking bad, but the rest of it I like from him.

[Alchemist21]

@Vedith, why wouldn't your opinion on an entrance be a reason? I know Luna said it's not a scumread section, but let's speak hypothetically here. Opinions of other players are the main way to analyze a player for reads. If we aren't supposed to read you based on your opinions, then how are we supposed to read you?

[ika]

can we jsut lynch gob or exp and move on

like im goign woth thh.anit here and tat we are all town at this poitn circling

[Vedith]

@Alch - It's one comment right? You actually said it yourself - "Opinions".
If someone has an issue with one comment, they should question it, if they have an issue with multiple comments then it's a case.

[Heartless]

i'm kinda' getting happy w/ tth's firebringer vote, ika

[Alchemist21]

Actually, look back through Expedience's ISO. It's not just Luna he attacked, but killthestory too. Then somehow, instead of pushing those two, he has both at the top of his Townreads, and uses the same reasoning he attacked Luna for to Townread her. I know this was after he got some pushback from others for attacking playstyle, but to me that kind of reversal looks more like scum trying to stay out of the hot seat.

[ika]

i'm kinda' getting happy w/ tth's firebringer vote, ika

even though hes softing to be a mason right now?

[Luna Fox]

Actually, look back through Expedience's ISO. It's not just Luna he attacked, but killthestory too. Then somehow, instead of pushing those two, he has both at the top of his Townreads, and uses the same reasoning he attacked Luna for to Townread her. I know this was after he got some pushback from others for attacking playstyle, but to me that kind of reversal looks more like scum trying to stay out of the hot seat.

It actually makes it even more odd when you think that ika attacked him for those 2 comments.

[Luna Fox]

i'm kinda' getting happy w/ tth's firebringer vote, ika

even though hes softing to be a mason right now?

Whyyyy would you mention this D:

[Heartless]

i'm kinda' getting happy w/ tth's firebringer vote, ika

even though hes softing to be a mason right now?

pshhhhhhhhhh

no

[ika]

i'm kinda' getting happy w/ tth's firebringer vote, ika

even though hes softing to be a mason right now?

Whyyyy would you mention this D:

cus being a mason really sucks?

[Heartless]

he didn't soft it

[ika]

*shrugs*

[Alchemist21]

@Alch - It's one comment right? You actually said it yourself - "Opinions".
If someone has an issue with one comment, they should question it, if they have an issue with multiple comments then it's a case.

Forget the grammar, this early on you're probably not going to have an issue with multiple points because there hasn't been that much time in the game. Besides, you don't always need a case to scumread someone; you just need to find solid evidence that they're playing with a scum mindset. Good scum may only make a single mistake; letting them go because it was only a single mistake can be fatal.

[Heartless]

if your idea of cooperation is derailing tth's read to lynch gob, i will hate your fucking guts ika

[Luna Fox]

Besides, you don't always need a case to scumread someone; you just need to find solid evidence that they're playing with a scum mindset.

Or in my case, scumread because PoE