Mini 1717 Alfred Hitchcock UPick [GAME OVER]

[Vedith]

Morning all.

VOTE: Lying Cat
I can get passed the fact that you're lying... But being a cat just takes the biscuit!

[Vedith]

@Concrete Angels - I Have 20mins, lets chat.

[Vedith]

Well the weekend kicked in and I got busy! So that's my excuse for not being involved.
I've only skimmed read but I have nothing on my RVS vote, it will change I'm just not too sure who yet.

[Vedith]

Right, I am off out, I will catch up later.

[Vedith]

..... you've been consistently posting elsewhere.

So... yeah. I'm very happy with my vote now.

I'm not sure I have posted properly on here any Friday evening and hardly ever on a Saturday.
You obviously looked into my games, and yet you haven't even read what I've posted in them.

You claim I posted here Thursday, when the time I posted here first was on Friday morning while at work, where I then had small amount of activity in the day on a select amount of threads threads (Average of about 2/3 posts a thread).

So I suggest if you are going to use this as an excuse, 1 - You learn my time zone and 2 - you actually learn my activity patterns.

For the rest who say that this is a valid argument, explain how and explain your scum read further.

[Vedith]

Well, Thor's post to me doesn't make sense.
Also, why would you want such an early finish as town? Regardless if you are going to vote me up there's no point in ending the day early.

Right - 196 - I'm not a fan of it as I wouldn't personally gain information from it, if it's beneficial as a whole I won't hold back.
177 - Care to elaborate?

I didn't like the join from Cataphant on the wagon, it was too easy. 153 If someone is scum to you, why are you compromising? In fact, where have you even been pushing for them?
I don't like the flash wagon request from Thor, but I'm not confident enough on this for a vote.

UNVOTE: Lying Cat
VOTE: Cataphant

[Vedith]

I meant the other parts. Calling me a lurker I really don't care about. I focus different games at different times, I think I get called it or implied to it in most games and people are even starting to reference it. So that part of your argument is void to me.

[Vedith]

I understood that part, I actually had it as a void on myself rather than disagree.
I believe you went into timezones etc, when my argument was to learn my timezone before assuming and using it as a case. I haven't actually looked at your post since I originally read it so yeah.

[Vedith]

Can you clarify the read? I thought that he was town for you? I'm not seeing him as scum, but I have trouble reading Dav overall. 195 I thought he was trying to buddy up to me there originally, so I was starting to lean scum, but he gives more of a null case rather than suggesting better than null (I'm not a fan of being town read early as I always look scummy ).

And on my wagon? Concrete I think actually believes their reason. Thor I think went ahead with it originally then decided to back it up when I said about it, but actually commenting after doesn't seem scum. Hecatia was another easy jump, most likely just to take distraction away from themselves as they were leading the wagon.

I think that there is 1 scum on my wagon and 1 off and I don't see you and Hecatia associated as of yet.

[Vedith]

Going back to this, actually.

VOTE: Hecatia

So what changed at this stage? You seemed pretty certain of me being scum and yet your vote comes off?

[Vedith]

Going back to this, actually.

VOTE: Hecatia

So what changed at this stage? You seemed pretty certain of me being scum and yet your vote comes off?

we had a talk

sonic

Interesting... A talk about what?
Because I gave no reason for you to think otherwise.

However, I'm seeing you and Hec as more TvT trying to 1 up each other.

[Vedith]

Yeah I'm really not liking the Hecatia wagon. It seems minimal effort. I also like Concrete Angels a lot less for joining onto that wagon with the reason of easy to mis lynch.
Looks like Hecatia is an easier wagon for them to push.
Is Farside's vote RVS or actual?

[Vedith]

But I was in this game when it happened... I thought that my mysterious only this game absence (Even though I received 2 prods in games during this point) was before that when the votes were on me? (Please actually have knowledge to what games I am in and what is happening if you feel the need to comment on it)
Dig deeper massive, you might hit gold. Or is this as far as your efforts go?

My actual comment is the others joining onto the wagon, and the sudden change of heart from Concrete with the '100% scum' attitude towards me to mis lynch potential. It makes no sense to me.

[Vedith]

He thinks you are lynchbait

After 1 game played with me. But hey, what do I know.

[Vedith]

Well it depends what they are saying.
If the comment is - Over dramatic, then yeah 1 game can give that indication.
Something like - He's lynch bait would normally take more 1 one game in my opinion.
Either that or every town I have ever played with that has been lynched can be considered as lynchbait.

But you 2 are the pros I guess.

[Vedith]

Well it depends what they are saying.
If the comment is - Over dramatic, then yeah 1 game can give that indication.
Something like - He's lynch bait would normally take more 1 one game in my opinion.
Either that or every town I have ever played with that has been lynched can be considered as lynchbait.

But you 2 are the pros I guess.

This was kind of passive aggressive.

Probably, I just find that comments like that is always an easy way to cop out of a vote.

So, Cataphant - When you are back, lets talk. I assume 228 is about your counter wagon? Can we go more in depth about that? At this stage myself, Concrete and Ank were on you. I'd like to see what you think of 229. Regardless of what you think of me. Do you think that any scum were on this wagon?

[Vedith]

Yup. Or trying to decide what align people are from amount of posts etc.
It seems to be a factor in most games I'm in either on myself or others and it's just too much of an easy /in or /out vote.
Just a personal opinion on it, others obviously see differently with it.

[Vedith]

Yeah I think there is. But to say it after 1 game means nothing.
It hasn't actually changed my read of who I think is scum. I was just more curious to why the change and the reason given didn't make me approve of it.

[Vedith]

Yeah I think there is. But to say it after 1 game means nothing.
It hasn't actually changed my read of who I think is scum. I was just more curious to why the change and the reason given didn't make me approve of it.

Every game usually has one lynchbait. It doesn't matter how they act in other games. it's whoever does the stupid thing first.

I see the comment lynchbait as a general view on someone rather than in the particular game.
Am I wrong with this?

[Vedith]

Well, nothing else for me to add on the matter. Regardless if I over reacted to it or not, it's already out there for all to see and the comments not coming back.

[Vedith]

What, was me saying "farside town (gut)" not good enough for you?

So, you obviously think Hecatia is scum. and 308 and 349 suggest that you think I am also scum.
So who else would fall under your scum section here? Anyone particularly town for you? Even if it's a 'gut feeling'...

[Vedith]

The fact we are voting you suggests you, really, doesn't it? Like, what was the point of that question? I'm assuming Ank is not calling herself scum, and calling it town driven, so by POE she must think CA is scummy. Unless she was talking about the original wagon on you, which was 'Concrete Angels, Thor665, Cataphant, Hecatia Lapislazuli'. If Ank thinks some of those were 'scum sheeping', I think you should ask her who, not us 0.0

I said regardless of me. Of course you think I'm scum but how about the other 2 on yours?

[Vedith]

So, you obviously think Hecatia is scum. and 308 and 349 suggest that you think I am also scum.
So who else would fall under your scum section here? Anyone particularly town for you? Even if it's a 'gut feeling'...

I don't know if you're scum or just grumpy. It doesn't behoove me to interact with you further because most of the time that just makes ME grumpy, and when I get grumpy, I tunnel. I've also already noted that I find Concrete Angels townish because I actually read the part where they question Sakura / Hecatia, and found myself thinking the same thing as they posted a lot of the time. I don't think I've ever played with Thor but I've read a few of his games and while I like his gameplay thus far, I think his general gameplay as either alignment is designed to do exactly this, so I'm a bit hedgy, but so far leaning town. Ank seems distracted which seems unusual. Everyone else is mostly To Be Sorted.

The problem with reading text rather than speaking to someone is that you read it to how you think it is being said rather than always reading it to how it is meant (This is for nearly everyone, including myself). I'm not actually grumpy and my post to you was just a question I actually wanted information from.

How many games have you played with Ank?
Although you don't stand out as town for me, I feel that his comment on you with 429 and 431 are an odd tell.
As it stands, Hecatia is on you voting (I think it's currently safe to assume it will only be 1 vote until Anti confirms to the comment raised on it). Ank is voting Cataphant where only I am as well. However, he's happy to move over if a wagon forms on you.
He states that he thinks you are scum, so I wonder why he wouldn't vote on you to try and encourage the wagon. The thought of you being scum also came after your comment on him to make it look kind of a counter scum point.

To me I feel that there are 2 tells here -

1 - You are both scum, trying to distance yourselves
2 - Ank is scum and you are town. This gives him an option to move wagon from Cataphant (Who I think as scum, automatically making them a scum partner in my theory) to someone else if it builds up.

I would be expect the second option more, but either way I don't see his comments as town thinking.

UNVOTE: Catapahnt
VOTE: Ank

[Vedith]

Yeah Vedith, what Ank is doing here makes more logical sense for town, considering he's townreading us. You don't want your votes to be hanging around being useless on vanity wagons, if you scumread multiple of them, your vote is more logical to be on the one that has the most votes.

~Sakura

Okay, so explain to me what different effect keeping the vote on Cata will have to Massive?
Both having 1 additional vote that isn't Ank.

[Vedith]

Yeah, Vedith--If you had two scum reads, wouldn't you vote for whichever one had the biggest wagon? What's the problem with that?

But without the vote from Ank, each person had 1 vote.
So in this sense, there is (was) no larger wagon.

[Vedith]

I could probably say the same things about Ank + Hecatia as you did about Ank + me, is that good or bad? Is it more or less indicative that Ank is scum?

I mean, I haven't seen anything change to suggest that he isn't scum.
My concern is that he hasn't concentrated on anyone that he is voting for.

Votes for Cata - Comments over you
Comments on the wagon, but doesn't comment on Cata/you
Comments on Cata/Thor in order of scum on the wagon, but doesn't follow up
Comments on voting you and then comments on Cata being the bigger scum read
Unvotes Cata and votes for you

I just don't see anything from Ank in this game apart from standing in the sidelines.

[Vedith]

btw guys if you would take a moment to gander at davvyboy in NY189 that just finished, you notice a lot more aggressive dayplay and a lot more committed stances than here!

Food for thought.

For the brief moment of time that I was in that game, Dav wasn't aggressive, but I can't remember the entire game. His play style is the same as most games I'm in/played with him. I'm not sure if that's a good tell of town or bad tell of not being able to read him at all...

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Massive
VOTE: Cataphant

I'm back to preferring this. I'll pass off my massive-scumread to my difficulty to reading him prior for the moment since I'm having trouble seeing him as scum in this game state.

Although I don't disagree with the vote, where do you see this going?

[Vedith]

Why not?
Scum bussing each other is a standard tactic.

[Vedith]

Why? This looks more like an easy and arbitrary number to throw around for no reason at all. If one scum is on and one is off, where's the third scum?

Yeah my number was off. I was mind set of 9p game for some reason.
My opinion of the 1 is still there. And that 1 I still think at Cata. it was too much of an easy join, and I think the probability of Cata/Ank both being scum is high for me.

[Vedith]

It does feel a bit confbiased as the possibility of B (Ankamius) being town isn't considered or discussed at all. I'd be interested in seeing how/why those scenarios were discarded (at least just to get an idea of his thinking there).

That's because this is my view on Ank. I think he is scum so I'm going into the mind set of him being scum and the connections to his actions.

I'm just skimming over atm, but if I missed questions I'll get back to it later when I read up properly.

[Vedith]

Prodge.

I was going to do a catch up last night but I had something come up.
Fridays are always bad for me, but I'll be on once I can tonight to do so.

[Vedith]

@pistachi0n - Talk to me about 687

Can you elaborate on the posts from Massive which were good? - Pedit - I see that it's ansered. Why is 308 a good post?
Can you go into detail more about your scum read on Farside, over the not scum read of Buldge?

Why is your vote still on Dav? Do you think that he is lying then?

You had a very null read overall on Ank. Would you be up for lynching him today or no?

[Vedith]

He avoided taking a stance on anything in his early play, yes, I think he's lying about being The Birds.

Although early game he wasn't severely opinionated his reads were there and his involvement wasn't suspicious, Dav's play seems town.
At this stage scum will want to get rid of the jailor, but try and make it viable to town. Concerning Dav's reads on people, did you feel that there wasn't enough effort in them or did you just not like them?

I don't like the slight push with no hard back up (considering that lynching Dav is going to be near enough impossible today), and the reason you gave is easily countered meaning that you can retract you vote on realising and push with another wagon.

Not a fan of this to be honest. If a wagon forms over to you I'm not against it.
However, I'm still more for the Ank lynch.

[Vedith]

Quick rin down for the time being - Why is LC on 5 votes?

[Vedith]

I am townreading a fair amount of the wagon so I have no issue with it.

I mean, I'm with this although mines more the fact of my scum reads aren't on the wagon.
I don't see the original scum reason though...

[Vedith]

Okay - Intent to hammer. Give a role and then we can move onto Ank or pistachi0n if it's justifiable.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Ank
VOTE: pistachi0n

Yup, I can get behind this. The opinion over Dav and how easy he unvoted said it all to me.

[Vedith]

Switch to Lying Cat please. They're scum.

Why lynch LC if they can prove to be town over night?
If LC is scum, it doesn't make me think any less of my scum reads and hitting another scum today can give us 2 tomorrow.

[Vedith]

Oh... Then why are we not lynching then?!
I assumed FN or something.

UNVOTE: Pist
VOTE: LC

[Vedith]

So out of my scum reads of Cataphant, Pistachio and Ank two are voting for the others.

Yeah I can see a bussing technique going on here.

[Vedith]

Because of his day 1. I still don't like the way he just tried to buddy around and agree any where. Most people seem to have ignored that part though.

[Vedith]

I don't remember seeing that. I see him agreeing with others which is null.
Where did he buddy?

In the early game. When he started to defend me with nothing to go on.
I mean, I've made a few posts over him in day 1.

What's your views on his votes, and his follow up on those votes?

[Vedith]

Can I have a link to it?

[Vedith]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=59850

Fair enough... Although Persona 4 you were scum and did more or less the same thing as on here...

For now I'd like to
VOTE: Cataphant

[Vedith]

With the defending me as town posts in the game?

[Vedith]

That's fair enough, and the fact of your other scum game suggests otherwise anyway.
I'm not going to put you as town for it or any of your plays this game but I think looking at Cata or Pist will be more beneficial at this point for myself.

[Vedith]

all scum should be in {pistachi0n, cataphant, nacho, thor}

thor is really just sort of in his own category though. the thor category.

Wait, why Nacho?
And why are scum not in Ank or Farside?

Unless these are just you scum tells? If so, why Nacho/Thor?

[Vedith]

Okay, so re reading your comments, I assume 1131 was self countered with 1146?

But yeah when you are free (although I may be slow at responding) lets discuss Nacho/Thor (and overs).

[Vedith]

Nacho is very good and has snowed me in the past. I didn't like his initial posting when he first started responding and my previous analysis led me to think that his slot was scum. His later posting looked much better, but again, he's good at that, so I don't want to "clear" him on that alone. He's definitely in the suspect pool.

The thing with Thor is that he looks like he's doing his town things, but I'm not really satisfied with a lot of it. I feel like he keeps pushing me off and avoiding answering questions or discussing things, which isn't something I've experienced with him when he was town. It really bothers me. My gut says he's town but my brain is going whoa hey now.

Have you played with Thor as scum? I just get the impression that he's not caring over the game so much...
And up to this post, I really think that Nacho is strong town. I like his approach to people and I actually really liked his initial posting, he was focused and thorough.

[Vedith]

Thor/Pistachio are scum and that's all that matters farry <3

I'm fine with lynching Pist, as his aggression over Dav yesterday really suggests scum to me.
However, are you saying that Pist and Thor are both scum or 1 scum out of the 2? Thor seems like an easy cop out right now given others suspicion.

[Vedith]

I know you think I'm scummy but you haven't asked me any specific questions today.

Do you still think Dav is lying?

[Vedith]

I said up to CA's comment...
His posts today are not what I think as town.

[Vedith]

No. But he's certainly not confirmed town.

So you believe his claim, and think that he is possibly scum JK?

[Vedith]

im saying thor is pistachios buddy

Okay, I'll bite... So if one flips town, does that make the other town or what?
I personally think Pist is scum regardless of Thor, but your push is making me uneasy on the thought.

[Vedith]

People who are townreading Nacho: why?

As it stands it's more not reading as scum for me... But I still liked his play yesterday rather than today's.
What do you think about him being jailed?

Nacho - I assume that you were aware?

[Vedith]

Where is verdith's?

Where's my what?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Davsto

Ummm, you know that he claimed JK, right?
Or are you voting him just because he's voting you?

[Vedith]

Okay, so lets hear his case he has on you...

I don't see someone trying to stir the pot as towny personally, but as you wish.

[Vedith]

That I was jailed? No.

Is that standard?
Dav gives the impression that you would have known.

[Vedith]

Ah, okay.

[Vedith]

You waited until the convenient wagon was building up and then voted to "reserve your place on it."

Was your wagon not convenient early in the day?

[Vedith]

I really don't understand how Nacho has the same amount of votes as Pist or Cata?
Seriously... I must be missing something for this... Someone give me the run down?

I men, Pist's reason for voting Nacho was 1237 - When countered it's because LC was more of a threat?

UNVOTE: Cata
VOTE: Pist

[Vedith]

Why is this worse than what Cataphant is doing?
Cataphant's cases make me want to tear my eyes out; Pistach's are misguided, but at least it seems like a thought process a townie could have as opposed to the "fear tactics and counterwagon garbage Cataphant is spouting.

You do realise that I think both are scum, right?
I'm not fussed which one we lynch today and which one we lynch tomorrow.
My vote puts Pist on 4 votes instead of 3 people being on 3 votes.

[Vedith]

Pist always looked scummy to me though.
It's not more so a stupid comment but trying to dig for justified reasons.

As I said, I don't care which one we lynch today and which one we lynch tomorrow.

[Vedith]

Okay - if you think they're both potential scum I'd like to note something for you.

Cataphant hopped on Pistach.
Pistach started a Nacho counterwagon while a wagon on him and Cata already existed.

If, for some reason, both are scum - Cataphant is the useful scum who shouldn't be bussed.
Vote appropriately.

Bussing is a personality trait, not a tactical trait in my eyes.

[Vedith]

@Vedith - do you have awareness of either of their bussing habits that suggests I am wrong?

No I do not, it's an opinion of mine rather than a fact.
You just seem against a Pist lynch at this stage.

I'll vote Cata if there are more votes there, but as I have already said, I don't care which one is lynched today and which one tomorrow.

[Vedith]

Same reason as day 1. I haven't like their slot basically all game.
I don't fault their vote on LC in fairness, neither the position of the wagon since it was all spun around last minute.
Trying to fake a dayvig, dramatically changing reads without proper explanation on people.
And the part I love the most, "Scum: thor and pistachio." and the vote on Pist. It's a mind game to put a town first and scum second in your scum list (as scum obviously). It's not much to go on, but if they think that you are more scummy than Thor, it should really say "Scum: pistachio and thor" for me...

[Vedith]

VOTE: Pistacho
Cataphant looks town to me...
It seems like notty has abandoned me or smth...

~Sakura

That's a hammer, right?

[Vedith]

pistachi0n - 5 (Cataphant, EspeciallyTheLies, Davsto, Vedith, farside22)

6 to lynch

I don't think anyone unvoted after this.

[Vedith]

Not that I saw.

[Vedith]

thor is so obvious scum its not even funny

So, should we give you town cred now?

[Vedith]

Cat and Farside are who I'd want to lynch off it.

Reason for either?
Why were you against the Pist lynch? Didn't you say town there?

[Vedith]

I thought Nacho was checked by heca night 1

Hecatia checked massive N1.

I thought there was a reason why it could have failed?

[Vedith]

I lol'ed.
I think the mod is bored.

Okay so massive should post too in here since he was checked.

What are you looking for them to add?

[Vedith]

Yes, massive isn't clear 100%. I was just pointing it out.

What was the reason?
Does Hec flip cancel it?

[Vedith]

Ah, okay.

[Vedith]

Vedith so busy.

?

[Vedith]

Wow, I get "suck its" for "I don't really see the cse on Pistach".
Oh people.

Considering Pist tried to push on Dav and then when no one was agreeing he switched his vote/focus straight off.
I think that was a good enough case alone.

[Vedith]

I'd been scum reading pist since day 1 so I don't get how I lack reason I just don't feel like repeating things that no one reads.

There's a difference between repeating and actually pushing your views on someone/questioning them.

Saying that you was reading Pist day 1 as scum doesn't mean too much since you were not in the game properly that day.

[Vedith]

Sure - Cat did basically the same thing though.

Yeah I'm not convinced that Cata is town either still.

Also, remind me why Nacho is being voted?

[Vedith]

Also, remind me why Nacho is being voted?

And the voters, not you, Thor. XD

[Vedith]

You've changed your tune...
Keep in mind the role that was flipped. Didn't you have a theory on it?

[Vedith]

I would like to see Ank, massive, and Vedith show up and at least offer top scumspect of the moment.
That would advance the game a bit more.

The top scum read is you.
You were 100% against the Pist lynch. And you was even trying to imply that we lynch Cata then Pist the next day.
Now you are happy with Cata not being scum? I think that it's because of being too hard of a lynch.

I'm against the Nacho wagon too. I can't even remember why he's lead wagon.

What's your view on Farside?

[Vedith]

I was at work!
I just don't scum read him. The kill was halfy convenient, halfy expected.
I also think that there are people who have been anti town, Nacho not one of them.

Tell me, why is Farside town?

[Vedith]

I can understand that being reasons that don't point to Nacho being scum, but they don't really clear him. Do you think there are any associations with pistachio to players currently alive? If so, who? Why? What do you make of the wagons yesterday?

Yeah, I think it's Thor. I've already said this.
I feel that Farside was resisting slightly too.
Given that Cata pushed hard, I've seen scum do this, and I haven't seen town attitude so far apart from lynching scum.

With the wagons, I would have gone with either as both were my top reads.

Okay - if you think they're both potential scum I'd like to note something for you.

Cataphant hopped on Pistach.
Pistach started a Nacho counterwagon while a wagon on him and Cata already existed.

If, for some reason, both are scum - Cataphant is the useful scum who shouldn't be bussed.
Vote appropriately.

This is the post that pinged me from Thor. I really didn't like this one.
Considering that he is now off the Cata idea after giving this theory.

Something she said at the start of today. It's not strong enough to convince anyone else but it's strong enough to convince me without a doubt.

Can you point this out or no?

[Vedith]

I'll catch up tonight.

[Vedith]

I didn't properly catch up.

However, ELT - Last I recall you think me and Thor as scum but you won't vote Thor.
That's fucking stupid.

VOTE: Thor

Nacho Wagon is bad, Thor wagon is good.

[Vedith]

N2 I neighborized Thor for the same reason I did massive - think he's scum and would be a difficult lynch to achieve. I told him in the PT exactly what my role/ability was and that I plan to shoot him tonight.

Okay, so if Thor isn't killed tonight then we lynch you tomorrow.
I'm going to read up now but I assume both Massive and Thor have confirmed that they are neighbors with you.

UNVOTE: Thor
VOTE: Farside

[Vedith]

davsto/thor = lynch candidates IMO

I don't think Davsto is scum.

[Vedith]

I find Davsto's play in regards to Nacho terrible, but it actually looks kind of townish due to how terrible it is.
Ank continues to do and say nothing - people continue to act like the slot is town.
The wagons are all being very knee jerk mob rule based off random mob rule attitudes - I do not think that is good for the town. We have one dead scum and three dead town, and people are acting like somehow we're in PoE hoo-hah land? I feel like I've learned to play a different game then everyone else.

Vote: Farside

Hurm, though actually.

Unvote: Farside

@Massive - I was kind of with you on the idea of Mother = bad, but then I went and reread Pistach's flip.
How is Mother necessarily bad exactly?

What a quick swap around, trying to distance here.

[Vedith]

vedith, nacho - see my claim post.

i'd be willing to vote dav.

Why Dav though?
I don't see him as scum.

[Vedith]

Considering deadline's in just over 3 days, I should start considering Thor.

Either ETL is scum and we can then lynch him and Thor from there, or Thor is killed tonight and ETL is town.
So yeah, no point in voting him at this stage.

[Vedith]

Can you point me to his claim?

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Farside
VOTE: Nacho

So he lied about hiplop to get the NK? I don't see it.

[Vedith]

Because you would be lying about it?

[Vedith]

Well I didn't know that this part of the ability could be roleblocked...
So take the sand out for a second.

So you are in a convenient situation now. Kill the claimed Jailor or have a reason for not killing Thor tonight if we don't.
So your reveal actually did fuck all imo.

[Vedith]

No need to act like a dick about it, but sure lets go with that.

[Vedith]

I think Nacho needs to clarify.
Seems pretty powerful if Nacho gets the power of each lynch we do?

[Vedith]

I've never interpreted it that way. I interpreted what he said as "I claimed an innocent on hiplop to try and draw a nightkill." I'm not sure why there's so much confusion.

Because it's an easy way out.
If he was town and his role works the way he said it does, then what if he was night killed? We would then have a confirmed on someone who isn't. It's anti town behaviour.

[Vedith]

I hadn't, but I will do so now.

I assumed with neither of you disagreeing that this was the case.

[Vedith]

Okay, so I guess Nacho to confirm this and take it from there.
That makes a lot more sense to want to draw the NK with a 1 shot power.

UNVOTE: Nacho
VOTE: NL

[Vedith]

I thought vengeful was only when lynched?

[Vedith]

tbh we should probably just massclaim today.

Agreed, if everyone is role blocked tonight that stops a kill going through.

[Vedith]

Happy to go first if we all agree.

[Vedith]

Character - Tony Wendice
Role - Ascetic

Other choices

Norman Bates
Walter Beardsley

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

Because I find it hella weird that he didn't claim Ascetic around the time that I did.

You're jailor? o.0

[Vedith]

Ascetic Jailer.

I thought that you were just jailor...
Regardless, would Anti normally add 2 of these in?

[Vedith]

Hiplop still hasn't claimed.

He more or less has, but he needs to clarify.

[Vedith]

@Mod - V/LA until Wednesday (evening)

[Vedith]

2125 is an opportunist vote.

There were many roles I could have gone with but I chose the one I don't know. Not to mention being a weak role to the rest.
And the fact that Dav is trying to use the reason of not CC is stupid. I thought he was just a jailor.

Regardless, here is where I am at.
Ank and Farside scum.

[Vedith]

What are you saying here, exactly?

I'm saying that I'm not lying...

[Vedith]

May I ask why?

Because I'm town...

[Vedith]

Anyways that is the main reason for my POE of vedith and anka

So after I flip town you can call Ank town too?

[Vedith]

Or the better question is, why would scum have Ascetic?

[Vedith]

It would make your role redundant.
Also, if you really think that this is my scum game then I'm really doing something wrong.

Farside and Ank is where we should go.

[Vedith]

Well, the way I see it. Mis lynch me today. (6 people)
No kill tonight going by Thors role. (6 people)
Probably mis lynch Nacho tomorrow (5 people) then scum just need a kill to get through to win. (4 people)

[Vedith]

Also here.
Not sure what else to say.

I've said who I think is scum already.

[Vedith]

Re-read my own ISO and could vote for Vedith. Not forgetting about farside at all though.

Then lets vote Farside and do something magical!

VOTE: Farside

[Vedith]

Let's lynch him!

I really don't get why you are against Farside or Ank lynch so much?

[Vedith]

Ank and Farside conversation is forced as shit...

[Vedith]

You think they're bussing? Why? What do you think of the point I brought up on massive?

Because when I brought it up that's all either wanted to discuss about.
About Massive claiming to do nothing N1? It seems odd, but I don't think he's scum. I've not done an action/forgotten to action a few times as town, never as scum.

[Vedith]

Thanks for the game all!
Thanks for hosting Anti.

Was a fun one. Note to self - This is why Dav should always die night 1!
*Waves at Dav* Hi Dav!