Micro 532: Anything UPick! (Day1)

[Peptobislawl]

What the hell is that quote doing in my post? It was supposed to be receding to your "lets play a game" post.

Shh the wonders of phoneposting

[Davsto]

2) RVS wagons never lead to a lynch unless the wagoned scumslips or something, it's a perfectly safe spot for scum to be in.

It looks to me like you're saying that anyone who takes part in RVS is scum. This is the stupidest thing I've heard.

[Luna Fox]

Look, you made an absolutely bullshit push on someone Page 1.

I know it was bullshit, you know it was bullshit, so does everyone else.

That is enough to make me scumread you.

I'd argue we've gained a lot of info from this "BS push" as you're saying it.
Look at the person that sheeped me, if im scum, he's my partner? COULD BE! if im town, he could be scum? POSSIBLY!
Look at the votes that have piled on me and look at the arguments behind them, no one has still provided a valid reason why i would do that as scum instead of doing it simply... because i'm town.
As for "everyone else" i'd argue that there's at least 2 people that have at least agreed with my arguments or not voted me.
9p scumteam is 2 ppl, so you can't possibly be thinking all 3 of us are scum.

[Luna Fox]

2) RVS wagons never lead to a lynch unless the wagoned scumslips or something, it's a perfectly safe spot for scum to be in.

It looks to me like you're saying that anyone who takes part in RVS is scum. This is the stupidest thing I've heard.

This is misrepresentantion.
I said that it's easier for scum to blend in RVS, than push the way i was pushing, do you disagree?

[Vedith]

This is misrepresentantion.

This is her favorite saying to a losing argument.

[Davsto]

2) RVS wagons never lead to a lynch unless the wagoned scumslips or something, it's a perfectly safe spot for scum to be in.

It looks to me like you're saying that anyone who takes part in RVS is scum. This is the stupidest thing I've heard.

This is misrepresentantion.
I said that it's easier for scum to blend in RVS, than push the way i was pushing, do you disagree?

But when you're using that as a reason to scumread someone it is utter bollocks.

[Luna Fox]

But when you're using that as a reason to scumread someone it is utter bollocks.

Parroting and opportunism are the reasons im scumreading someone.
Not RVS wagoning, I already went through this.

[Peptobislawl]

If you don't get why pushing an RVS wagon to near Lynch is a based scumplay then either you're being deliberately obtuse or are just bad at scum.

[Peptobislawl]

But when you're using that as a reason to scumread someone it is utter bollocks.

Parroting and opportunism are the reasons im scumreading someone.
Not RVS wagoning, I already went through this.

There is no opertunism because there is no opertunity. If scum wanted to stay hidden in RVS they'd vote literally anyone, same as town. So the only other opertunity would be a myslynch, which wont happen in RVS. So your argument, adjusted for logic, is "he told the same joke as pepto"



Explain to me how that is good scumhunting, cause I don't get it.

[Davsto]

But when you're using that as a reason to scumread someone it is utter bollocks.

Parroting and opportunism are the reasons im scumreading someone.
Not RVS wagoning, I already went through this.

There is no opertunism because there is no opertunity. If scum wanted to stay hidden in RVS they'd vote literally anyone, same as town. So the only other opertunity would be a myslynch, which wont happen in RVS. So your argument, adjusted for logic, is "he told the same joke as pepto"



Explain to me how that is good scumhunting, cause I don't get it.

QFTTTTTTTT and T

[Luna Fox]

But when you're using that as a reason to scumread someone it is utter bollocks.

Parroting and opportunism are the reasons im scumreading someone.
Not RVS wagoning, I already went through this.

There is no opertunism because there is no opertunity. If scum wanted to stay hidden in RVS they'd vote literally anyone, same as town. So the only other opertunity would be a myslynch, which wont happen in RVS. So your argument, adjusted for logic, is "he told the same joke as pepto"



Explain to me how that is good scumhunting, cause I don't get it.

Did you even read my 41 at all...
I'm not only looking at the person i'm voting, i made a push for reasons i found were enough for a scumread on page 1, im looking at everyone and everyone's interactions with me/my reasons/etc.
Considering you think im so scum for this.
What do you make of the 2 ppl that have either "not voted me" (notscience) or unvoted me because they liked my reasons (Tetaes).

[Davsto]

Also, @Luna. Why do you think that scum would do such a risky move? Why would, in your opinion, anyone that forms a wagon in RVS is likely to be scum.
To me it's more of a way to push the game, like what you did.
Also, saying that it's 'opportunism' doesn't cut it. Forming wagons in RVS isn't really a scumtell for me.

It's not about the wagon per se, it's RVSing for the exact same reason on the exact same person, it's not a risky move because scum will just say "Bah that was just RVS you're reading too much into it", which is why im saying that i always take RVS seriously, otherwise RVS is pointless. When you sheep someone onto a wagon for their exact same reason it counts as opportunism imo, as i said tho, it's not that strong of a read that Bulge is like 100% scum and i'll push him with the holy fire of justice.
It's enough of a Page 1 read to push for more info tho, specially with the OMGUS reaction taken.
Or do you think that voting seriously onto someone at page 1 is a legit reason to be scumread?

okay so your point here is...

People who parrot RVS votes are scummy. I'm not sure about you, but I was more than expecting multiple people to RVS me for the Comic Sans comment. What motivation would scum have for this? How do scum benefit from having one more vote on a wagon that isn't going to reach lynch because it's goddamn RVS?

[Luna Fox]

Sigh... im tired of explaining, lynch me or whatever if you think that's scummy.
All i feel here is we're going in circles and scum are rejoicing on jumping on an easy target.

[Peptobislawl]

Notscinece has posted once, and we can only say he read up to post 14. I need him to post more and confirm weather he knows the vote was real. then we'll talk about him.
Tet might be your scumpartner, or he just agrees with your strange reasoning. Saying you must be town because 2 others (seem to) agree with you doesn't fly because it implies town can't disagree with town.

As a side note, both of the players you quoted are among the least active in the game. (Notscience has one friggin post!) Tet definitely agrees with you, so I'll scumlean him for now and we'll talk about it later.

[Luna Fox]

Saying you must be town because 2 others (seem to) agree with you doesn't fly because it implies town can't disagree with town.

I'm not saying that, quote where i did, i'm not implying it either.
I'm saying we are getting info in the form of how people are reacting towards me and my wagon, we already know what a lot of you think of me, but there's a couple of people that think differently, if you're scumhunting you need to have a broader scope, not a tunnel.

[Peptobislawl]

9p scumteam is 2 ppl, so you can't possibly be thinking all 3 of us are scum.

ahem

[Vedith]

The problem is Luna, other people are not participating right now. I agree that we need to make sure that we don't tunnel over this, but possibly (and only possibly) the inactivity of this game so far gives you off as the biggest scum read.

[Vedith]

9p scumteam is 2 ppl, so you can't possibly be thinking all 3 of us are scum.

ahem

I was in a 9 player game with a traitor and 2 scum.

[Luna Fox]

9p scumteam is 2 ppl, so you can't possibly be thinking all 3 of us are scum.

ahem

Oh i guess i did, i misremembered then.

[Luna Fox]

The problem is Luna, other people are not participating right now. I agree that we need to make sure that we don't tunnel over this, but possibly (and only possibly) the inactivity of this game so far gives you off as the biggest scum read.

Problem is that you guys are only looking at me with Scum painted glasses.
Critical thinking comes from looking at the possibility of me being town and whether my actions also make sense with that mindset (since apparently you guys think it makes sense as scum).

See, this is why i wanted to drop my scumhunting strategies in favor of townhunting ones.
Everytime i do this with my unconventional scumhunting methods people scumread me, because i scumread people for batshit crazy reasons, and for some reason, im usually accurate, i don't know why or how. Believe what you want to believe, multiple times i've correctly scumread someone off entirely their RVS post and been correct, but with attitude like this people tend to drive me into second guessing myself and losing the game afterwards.

Inb4 Self-meta = scum.

[Peptobislawl]

The problem is Luna, other people are not participating right now. I agree that we need to make sure that we don't tunnel over this, but possibly (and only possibly) the inactivity of this game so far gives you off as the biggest scum read.

Problem is that you guys are only looking at me with Scum painted glasses.
Critical thinking comes from looking at the possibility of me being town and whether my actions also make sense with that mindset (since apparently you guys think it makes sense as scum).

See, this is why i wanted to drop my scumhunting strategies in favor of townhunting ones.
Everytime i do this with my unconventional scumhunting methods people scumread me, because i scumread people for batshit crazy reasons, and for some reason, im usually accurate, i don't know why or how. Believe what you want to believe, multiple times i've correctly scumread someone off entirely their RVS post and been correct, but with attitude like this people tend to drive me into second guessing myself and losing the game afterwards.

Inb4 Self-meta = scum.

Well maybe if you quoted some games at us it would look less manipulative.

As a side note, if that is your real meta, it looks like you got lucky fingering someone at might-as well-be-random a couple of times and started to trust your methods despite the myslynches.

[Luna Fox]

As a side note, if that is your real meta, it looks like you got lucky fingering someone at might-as well-be-random a couple of times and started to trust your methods despite the myslynches.

I wouldn't count might be random when i have an accuracy rate of 70% out of about 80 games.
But of course all you have for me is my word

[Vedith]

As a side note, if that is your real meta, it looks like you got lucky fingering someone at might-as well-be-random a couple of times and started to trust your methods despite the myslynches.

I wouldn't count might be random when i have an accuracy rate of 70% out of about 80 games.
But of course all you have for me is my word

This is such bullshit. XD

[Luna Fox]

As a side note, if that is your real meta, it looks like you got lucky fingering someone at might-as well-be-random a couple of times and started to trust your methods despite the myslynches.

I wouldn't count might be random when i have an accuracy rate of 70% out of about 80 games.
But of course all you have for me is my word

This is such bullshit. XD

If you wanna know what is bullshit, i would point at you at the reason, the guy above me is scumreading me for.

[Vedith]

That's 10/10 defence right there.
What gets me is if people always scum read you for your bad scum reads, why are you scum reading in this game rather than town reading.
Keeping in mind you don't get seen as scum much when you are town reading.