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[Nachomamma8]

This argument makes absolutely no sense. For one, Silver WAS in danger of getting lynched (unless what equates to a guilty result somehow doesn't put someone in lynch danger), and for two, why not? Outing your night actions is generally understood to be something you do when you're an outed power role, and it's not like claiming something other than a role cop would have decreased her chances of getting lynched.

I was saying this in response to the argument that Silver outed the JK because scum. My point is that scum would want to out their information to their scum buddies in case they get lynched because they haven't had a chance yet to tell them. This doesn't seem to be the case with silver.

Why not?

[Gimlear]

This argument makes absolutely no sense. For one, Silver WAS in danger of getting lynched (unless what equates to a guilty result somehow doesn't put someone in lynch danger), and for two, why not? Outing your night actions is generally understood to be something you do when you're an outed power role, and it's not like claiming something other than a role cop would have decreased her chances of getting lynched.

I was saying this in response to the argument that Silver outed the JK because scum. My point is that scum would want to out their information to their scum buddies in case they get lynched because they haven't had a chance yet to tell them. This doesn't seem to be the case with silver.

Why not?

It's mainly a hunch, but it would seem like scum!silver would try to earn towncred by holding back the result as much as possible, claiming he had found a protective role and didn't want to out them, then reveal his result only when he was in danger of being lynched.

Also, the day is almost halfway over and still no vote count. I don't have time to comb through the votes, so could someone else post the vote count?

[Gimlear]

If they're both town, I think that makes Nacho's claim a bit more suspicious. 2 town role cops, a regular cop, and a JK already seems very powerful, then add in a doctor and that seems too good.

Agreed - logically though, wouldn't the triple investigatives be more suspect than the doc - making the cop the more questionable role?

It would except that Radja was the first to claim (and still with no counterclaim), which makes him least likely to be a fakeclaim. That brings us back to the more likely scenario that one or both of the role cop claims are scum.

[Thor665]

Zakk is posting elsewhere and not here - pretty sure he's scum.

Gim and Karmic seem to be the only ones not interested in lynching Silver.

Vote: Silver

My prior night action presentation remains my top thoughts on optimal night action.
I will presume lackadaisical silence from the PRs as general acceptance of my thoughts.

[Thor665]

VOTE: SilverWolf

Gawds I hate that rule.

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: Silverwolf

Also while I was doing some rereading, noticed in Silver's catchup list that she had Dave as a neutral read and thought she would check up on his scumgames; jailkeeper seems like a pretty town result to me and so I'm not sure she would have him as "neutral" if she was doing a reads list; making a promise to read scumgames of someone's when you are pretty clearly not going to do that additionally seems pretty weird, even if you were trying to hide that you were a PR (but why would you hide you were a rolecop...?).

[Bellaphant]

I think that's 6 votes for Silver, but eventi has re-voted a few times So has Nacho. The mod hasn't posted in a week, though...

[Gimlear]

Dave is someone I have a hard time reading in games as I pretty much scumread him always. Last game I think I had a scumread on him all game and he was town. The game before that he was scum. But I have a neutral read there for now. I'm gonna re-read that scum game since it's been awhile.

Found the quote Nacho was referencing. I would like to hear what silver has to say about this, as it does seem weird that he null reads someone he just got a JK result for.

[Nachomamma8]

Confirming that silver is at L-1, wouldn't really cry if someone hammered.

[KarmicGuide]

Confirming that silver is at L-1, wouldn't really cry if someone hammered.

I'm down with hammering, but I'll give Silver some time to say or do whatever they want to do at L1.

[SilverWolf]

Dave is someone I have a hard time reading in games as I pretty much scumread him always. Last game I think I had a scumread on him all game and he was town. The game before that he was scum. But I have a neutral read there for now. I'm gonna re-read that scum game since it's been awhile.

Found the quote Nacho was referencing. I would like to hear what silver has to say about this, as it does seem weird that he null reads someone he just got a JK result for.

Because townreading Dave might of drawn some questions. I wanted that read to be as natural and normal as possible. I would of spoke up if he would of ever been close to a lynch.

I love how Nacho asks me questions but then rushes the hammer before I can speak.

Whatever, I think I care about this game more than the mod does and that's saying something.

VOTE: SilverWolf

[Thor665]

Ooooh, edgy.

[Nachomamma8]

Am confused, to say the least.

[eventi]

@mod Prod mod zakk please?

[Thor665]

Am confused, to say the least.

My presumption is that, since he bothered to answer the question, he'll be town.
Obnoxious, really.

[SilverWolf]

I'm a SHE and yes I'm town.

[Gimlear]

So, just thinking out loud here. If she flips town role cop, that makes Pista almost definitely scum. If she flips mafia role cop, that makes Pista very likely town with a small chance of a dual scum gambit. If she flips pretty much anything else, that makes Pista a dirty rotten liar and therefore scum.

[KarmicGuide]

VOTE: Silverwolf

I'll also vote Silverwolf, just in case there's a rule against self-voting and self-hammering.

[gummmybear]

So, just thinking out loud here. If she flips town role cop, that makes Pista almost definitely scum. If she flips mafia role cop, that makes Pista very likely town with a small chance of a dual scum gambit. If she flips pretty much anything else, that makes Pista a dirty rotten liar and therefore scum.

If she flips pretty much anything else, I will eat my hat. Unless it's 3rd party role cop (which means that pista could very well still be scum).

[gummmybear]

Zakk is posting elsewhere and not here - pretty sure he's scum.

I approve of this.

Vote: zakk

Jokes aside, could we get some responses and acknowledgement from the rest of the PRs? Especially pistachi0n, don't want any "Oops I didn't read the thread and did something else instead" shenanigans.

[Nachomamma8]

I understand the plan.

[pistachi0n]

Yes, I acknowledge

[Radja]

so do I!

[zakk]

TRIGGER ACTIVATED...


CALCULATING RESULTS...


EXPERIMENT NOTES - PHASE 2A

SUBJECTS ASSERTING AGGRESSIVE ACTIVITY:

SilverWolf [7] pistachi0n, Garmr, gummmybear, eventi, Thor665, Nachomamma8, SilverWolf

pistachi0n [1] Gimlear
Bellaphant [0]
eventi [0]
davesaz [0]
Garmr [0]
Gimlear [0]
gummmybear [0]
KarmicGuide [0]
Nachomamma8 [0]
Radja [0]
Thor665 [0]

SUBJECTS DISPLAYING PASSIVE TENDENCY:

Bellaphant, davesaz, KarmicGuide, Radja

[zakk]

PHASE TERMINATION PROTOCOL HAS BEEN INITIATED

TEST SUBJECT SILVERWOLF HAS BEEN EUTHANISED

SILVERWOLF WAS A MAFIA ROLECOP

RESETTING PARAMETERS FOR NEXT PHASE OF EXPERIMENT... PARAMETERS RESET

PHASE 2B OF THE EXPERIMENT HAS BEGUN

SEND IN YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS