FF7 Mafia (Game Over)

[Radja]

hiplop is off the wagon, mollie is not.

Scum is pushing my wagon, most definitely. And I'm townreading both of Seiko and Antagonist.

I'm the only protection we have left, so it makes sense for scum to push for my lynch now.

[ProHawk]

So you think there is only one scum?

[Radja]

on my wagon.

[Cerberus v666]

And you think in [hiplop,prohawk,cerb] there is one or two more? And you said you were town reading me, so it'd just prohawk/hiplop. Why haven't any of us hammered you yet? Especially if there are two.

[Radja]

If I had all the answers, I would be dead, reading the spoilers.

Which might still happen fairly soon if these people want to lynch the doctor.

[pirate mollie]

Do you have precedent for a 6 scum 17 town game?

I don't understand where you are going with this question, tbh. cos I am not the 1 who is arguing that there are 3 scum left you are. I think 4 to 17 is small, I have been expecting to see an indie pop up. I doubt there is an sk due to lack of nks so it might be possible there is some kind of survivor, I don't know. like I said this is not as cut and dry for me as uh2 was.

I find it weird that you have not listened to me all game, have sniped at me, kept trying to make me feel bad for townreading mastina who...flipped town and suddenly my opinion just seems all important to you. honestly I wld rather lynch you first over radja but no1 else cares. I think there IS a good chance radja is scum, I just wld hate to think psychlone wld reach out to me in the way that they did and be scum. but that is an ego thing and I recognize that.

I just find it ironic that you kept telling me that mastina was manipulating me but here you are doing way more manipulation than she ever did.

[pirate mollie]

Well yes, that's the point I was bringing up last night, and their response was basically "it's on someone I think is scum, so it's okay", which is simply nonsensical. You can't be upset at someone for playing in a non optimal fashion in lylo, while simultaneously exhibiting and supporting similar behavior from others.

it's not because "I thought" they were scum; there's a lot more to it than that.

the first difference is that basically everyone I think is likely town agreed both hawk and radja were scum. it was a consensus read. in that sense, both were exceedingly likely scum, and even if they *aren't*, they were bound to get voted by one of them anyway which would have meant we were stuck from the get go. there's no point in complaining about something that is inevitably going to happen

the second difference is that the cases on hawk/radja were entirely objective, i.e. not open to interpretation.

radja is scum bc his claim makes no sense; hawk is scum bc D6 makes no sense with him/mastina as town/town. both of these arguments are based on simple logic.

so yes, I think you heavily underestimate how obvious it actually was both of them are scum and thus safe votes; there was, and is, no compelling counter to either case and in the case of radja their play doesn't even look remotely town (I'd argue the same for hawk but, there are people calling it town play so /shrug)

if Antagonist had voted you, for instance, I would absolutely have had a problem with it because not only do I not think you're scum in the first place, you aren't a consensus read and there's no strong reason to lynch you today. the vote on hiplop was probably bad in hindsight, but at that point I was operating under the assumption you/mollie/radja being a CC would practically guarantee hawk as scum unless my view of the game was shit, so I didn't take issue with it

I hope this at least makes more sense and we can talk through it. I was really pissed off the other night (PM me in postgame if you want to know more about this).

I agree with all of this wholeheartedly altho I can see a doc in this set up being either town or scum tbh. its multi-ball.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: pirate mollie

I think I'll prefer this actually.

I am so not moving my vote now

[pirate mollie]

hiplop is off the wagon, mollie is not.

Scum is pushing my wagon, most definitely. And I'm townreading both of Seiko and Antagonist.

I'm the only protection we have left, so it makes sense for scum to push for my lynch now.

how. fucking. convenient.

[Seiko x Naomi]

mollie I think that there are only 2 scum left!

[The Antagonist]

here we are... 48 hours later...

no closer to... anything

[Cerberus v666]

So, mollie, myself, and seiko are not opposed to a prohawk kynch. And antagonist was voting him to start the day. But we're not lynching him?

Mollie how does radja's claim make no sense? Or seiko. I missed that, I feel that that's wrong. You're also making assumptions about how D6 has to be tvs. Is there an actual REASON for that? Why is D6 hawk v mastina TvS, while D1 seiko v titus is TvT?

[The Antagonist]

the claimed tracker died on his watch.

period.

[pirate mollie]

So, mollie, myself, and seiko are not opposed to a prohawk kynch. And antagonist was voting him to start the day. But we're not lynching him?

Mollie how does radja's claim make no sense?

Or seiko. I missed that, I feel that that's wrong. You're also making assumptions about how D6 has to be tvs. Is there an actual REASON for that? Why is D6 hawk v mastina TvS, while D1 seiko v titus is TvT?

did you actually read my most

am I speaking in swahilese again

[pirate mollie]

mollie I think that there are only 2 scum left!

yaye!

[Seiko x Naomi]

pie thinks there are 3.

I say 2.

[Cerberus v666]

Ummm. The post you quoted said radja was scum because his claim makes no sense. And you said you agreed with everything in it, but you thought a doc could be either scum or town. So you disagree with just that piece of the post? Just because you think it's possible, doesn't mean you think his claim, as a whole, makes sense.

[pirate mollie]

Ummm. The post you quoted said radja was scum because his claim makes no sense. And you said you agreed with everything in it, but you thought a doc could be either scum or town. So you disagree with just that piece of the post? Just because you think it's possible, doesn't mean you think his claim, as a whole, makes sense.

I can see why seiko wld think it wld not make sense but to me it does, I am just wondering if radja is a scum doc.

[ProHawk]

How exactly is asking you questions manipulating you mollie?

[ProHawk]

here we are... 48 hours later...

no closer to... anything

Its because ppl won't tell me what underwear they are wearing!

[hiplop]

IM SO SORRY I JUST WENT HOME FROM SCHOOL SO I FORGOT TO POST

I honestly didn't realize radja was at l-1. I was under the impression that he was only at l-2 honestly. ika i'm sorry for dragging it out

VOTE: radja

[hiplop]

going after molie was the last straw tbh. straight up desperation

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 7.6 (Final)

[4] Radja (The Antagonist, pirate mollie, Seiko x Naomi, hiplop)

[1] pirate mollie (Radja)

[2] Not Voting (ProHawk, Cerberusv666)

With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

A lynch has been reached. Flip incoming.

[borkjerfkin]

Radja was lynched Day 7.

Radja was

Tseng

Aligned with

The Planet [Town Non-Consecutive-Target Doctor]

Night 7 begins now. Deadline is in (expired on 2015-10-03 22:15:00)

[borkjerfkin]

The Antagonist was killed Night 7.

The Antagonist was

Dio

Aligned with

The Planet [Vanilla Townie]

Day 8 begins now.