Open 610: Kill all Townies (Mafia Win)

[wgeurts]

Also I'm pretty much confirmed town because of my uncountered claim. If dong is still scum reading me he's an idiot.

[Donempire]

No, you arent confirmed town. Theres no confirmation this is a non bastard game and the rolelist is valid. You still could be the scum rolecop.
(And people say text sarcasm is hard to notice.)
Will firekari even do anything that doesnt sheeps wgeurts and screams "lynch sinscum!"?

[wgeurts]

Well screaming sinscum is a good yell as I believe it's true.
How about a wager dong?
We lynch sinsun and if he flips town I give you my vote tommorow.

[Alma Mater]

this is a game with signups in the open game quenue and held on Central Park.

its nonbastard and yea, an unCCed cop is town in this setup

[Alma Mater]

Right. This.

Okay, the Silver Bard iso:

-I think people were incredulous over his 'scum must be on sinsun' comment. And yea, it sucks eggs. But not alignment indicative. Just obvious.
-Trying to call the Vettrock-SK thing a trap or joke is dumb. For many reasons. Its a bad joke if it was one, there's no sk and when I knew that and when I pay more attention than you its probably a bad sign.
-Post 293 is scumhunting, and consistent with his prior actions. 306 I know that with multiball there's no guarenttes, but this post and 306

more likely to come from town than scum. Could just be a foreward scum; but we'll see.
-His later posts under pressure have become bulkier. His reads are omgusy, later on his reads will be anchorable to others. He talks about how he wants non-content posters to be vigged. Good theory, not really something we need to touch upon today. Lets let have half the town exposed on D1. It suffices to say only 1 person a day can be lynched.

[br]

. . . and since only 1 person a day can eat the rope, Id lynch it, but I have no special affinity towards doing so. If you get him to L-1 Im down.

This level of altslip is somewhat restrained compared to my Senator debacle

[Donempire]

No. I dont want to waste our lynch on a probable town, especially while we have a better chance with hitting others and it could be our doom if we mislynch now. Im not willing to gambit the game away.
Also, its not good when the only content is that.

[The Silver Bard]

There was absolutely no point for claiming wsgeurt. I think you shouldn't have.

But it does pretty much confirm you as town in my book. There is no way scum would claim cop in that position. Anyone suspecting wsgeurt after this claim should go straight to the top of everyones scumlist. I am looking at you Dongempire.

VOTE: Dongempire

[wgeurts]

I do believe dong was sarcastically scum reading me after I claimed. If I'm mistaken I'll join you.

[ika]

i forgot my reads and reason for nothign....

im just gonna sit here and watch

[The Silver Bard]

Ah, may have misread his post 451 then.

Please clarify Dong. Do you still scumread wsgeurt?

[Donempire]

(And people say text sarcasm is hard to notice.)

[Sinsun1]

Dong, don't you just love playing with an intelligent town? I mean oh boy, our combined IQ might reach all of 9 if we round up!

Anyway, onto what I was going to do before, but this is just off the top of my head, so sorry if I misplace your stance.

Too lazy to remember how to do tables in BBcode so just going to use fanciful colours.

Name

My Read

Their read of me

Ika

???

???

Max

Town

Town

Vedith

Town

Town

Shaddowez

???

???

Alma

???

Town

Daves

Town

Town

FireKari

Scum

Scum

The Silver Bard

???

Town

wgeurts

Town

Scum

Smudger

Town

???

Lalendra

Scum

Scum

Dongempire

Town

Town

Ricastle

???

???

Performer

???

Town

??? for my reads means I am neutral reading them at the moment. ??? reading me means they are either neutral or I just don't know how they read me.

Anyway, regardless of my alignment, this right here tells me more than most things would. I have 6 total town reads at the moment, obviously I can easily be wrong about any of them, but for today I wont even bother making a case on anyone of them because there's just no factual evidence I can bring up. Just assumptions.

Now, regardless of my alignment there will be at least one scum town-reading and buddying me and at least one scum "scum"reading me (which since this is multi-ball they really could think I am opposing scum faction). I am almost 100% certain there's scum between Lale and Fire. Like I'd seriously have to be off my game to be wrong about that.

However, I am also fairly certain there's a scum member among Performer, The Silver Bard and Alma. One of them is trying to butter me up and I don't town-read them today for a reason. (There probably will be an additional scum in my town-reads, but for today, I am acting like I am right about all of them to save taking gambits as town cannot afford gambits that big D1).

Finally, I'm willing to bet there's a fourth scum among Ika, Shaddowez and Ricastle.

But wait, I just mentioned everyone, so I obviously must be right about some of them. What I mean is, not all the scum are on 1-2 groups that I listed. There will be at least 1 in each group with 1 more in 2 of them or 2 more in one of them.

So the question I ask, is given those lists, for D1, which list do you guys think we have a better chance of catching scum in. I think the Lale/Fire one is more likely because that's at least a 50% chance if not 100% if both of them flip scum. But using the knowledge that scum will try to split their opinions of people and will obviously be read differently, this is the groups I've come up with for a D1 analysis, which I think is pretty decent if I say so myself.

I am ignoring wgeurts for this question because I know he's going to tunnel like he has all day. I am looking for answers more so from Performer, Ricastle, Smudger, The Silver Bard, etc. If there's a ??? beside your name in green or orange, I want your opinion on this tactic. If there's not a ??? beside your name, I am going to ignore your opinion on this.

[Vedith]

Ummm, I think that you are town?
And you think that I am town?

Ummm?

Still just looks like you are sweet talking people. Anyone that find you town is town?
And people that think you are scum are scum apart from wg?

Explain to me why the 4th scum is in Ika, Shaddow or Ricastle when you null read them just like Performer, Silver and Alma?

VOTE: Sinsun

[Donempire]

Just did a quick skim through ricastle's posts.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=7265195#p7265195
An unexplained sinsun vote.

[Donempire]

Wtf... sorry guys, phone brainfarted.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7269143
Ckaiming VT at this point eally seems unnecessary. Dont know what to make about it.
Post 205 and 206. First post seems to br a pun, aka fluff post. Second one accuses firekari without giving any explanation behind it.
284, he says maxous is town without giving any good explanations.
377 is fluff.
430 is also fluff.
There is no scumhunting coming from him and mostly fluff posts.
Discuss.

[ika]

still town for early claim

[Ricastle]

I am indeed townreading you, Sinsun, as I have previously mentioned.

Your question is purely masturbatory. Everyone uses their own methods for hunting scum; it's not something that merits discussion, especially when the method in question is entirely self-centered. We can discuss actual scumreads 'till the sun sets, but that's it. Anything further is useless prattle. And for the record I do agree with the scumreads that you have.

Empire, interesting how you're trying to paint me as a fluffposter by picking out a handful of my posts. I may not have been open about the reasoning for most of my reads this game but I've certainly gathered and put forward a good amount of them. Anyone who looks at my ISO for themselves can see that. So why are you coming from this angle, I wonder? And why did you choose to analyse me over everyone else?

[pisskop]

Pisskop would replace Alma Mater, as an account sub.

First post updated.

[Sinsun1]

Ummm, I think that you are town?
And you think that I am town?

As I said, I might not be 100% right on what people see me as. It was off the top of my head when I looked at the names and I was pretty certain you town-read me at one point or another. But yeah, I do town-read you. Me town-reading you and you scum-reading me however just blew your "people that think you're scum are scum apart from wg". I even have another one I currently town-read who I am not sure how they read me. It just so happens at the moment though that I don't get a hard scum vibe from people who have town-read me. Is it a bias? Perhaps it is, I'm vulnerable to biases even if I don't see them, but those are my reads as of D1. Are all of them right? Nope. Hence...

Explain to me why the 4th scum is in Ika, Shaddow or Ricastle when you null read them just like Performer, Silver and Alma?

Because my reads are not perfect. Scum end up more times than once as every bit of the pie. One section is those that scum-read you when you are high-profile in a game. There will usually be at least one scum in that group (with multi-ball even scum will have scum in that group). The next section is those that town-read you and try to butter up to be your buddy, but you got a null-read on them unless you really do just town-read those that town-read you (which would be a bad strategy). The third section would be your own town-reads as there will always be that one scum member that slip under your town reads D1. The final section (in this case Ika, Shaddow and Ri) would be neutral/null reading them and they "read" you as neutral/null, refusing to take a stance. Ri just took a stance, but that could be because of my list and "sections" or it could be that's what he really thinks, in which case he'd move onto the 2nd pie section and leave Ika and Shaddow at the 4th piece.

@Ricastle, Hehehe, which is why I want the opinion from people I have ???'s by. As one or both of us will be unbias of input and will help shape whether it's a good or a bad idea. For example, Dong town-reads me and I town-read him. I wont take his input on it though because there is now a bias in both of our reads on each other. If you HAD to pick out a section of this pie, which section would look right/most chances of hitting scum? You agree with the scum-reads I have, but not everyone will. Hence, if I simply ask the ???'s we could end up finding a section of the pie that looks a bit more promising results wise.

[Performer]

352 – Smu – I’m seeing Sin as town more than as scum, despite his lesson to me about scum who can deceive, with his posted strategies too.
357 – Max – where are you seeing that from TSB?
390 – you have got to be kidding me…
399 – this is just a sad vote. Also lack of reasoning for suggesting why I’m scum. Not being disrespectful here but if you're inconsiderate of others in this game, by doing this self-vote fiasco, you might as well replace out.
443 – yeah I don’t think so. I can barely take you seriously after your suicidal fiasco.
461 – This whole conspiracy about me buddying you because I’m scum is as fake as a pornstar’s cleavage. I'm reading you as town based on your sky-high attention-drawing ideas, your pattern of pro-town posts, and others' interactions with you. I've seen scum flock together like vultures on carcass - and your abnormal ideas are a perfect excuse for them to do that. I don't just look at one action or one inaction, but a collection of them to paint a picture.
463 – Ric, how about answering my question about why you townread Max?

dave's posts have been rather forgettable. Would like to hear dave's answer to my question to him.

VOTE: Fire

I'm not liking wg's Cop claim so early in d1. That's way too reckless, given our situation.

[Sinsun1]

Performer, think about it. You think I'm town yeah? Well there will be at least one scum out of 6 out there trying to butter me up to look good. I never said it was specifically you, just that it is within that pile of players for that scum to be. Heck, perhaps I'm wrong, it's D1, that's a very very huge possibility. I know I'd love for it to be simple enough to say anyone that town-reads me/I town-read right now are 100% town, but that's just not going to be the case. All my reads will have to be re-evaluated tomorrow.

But there definitely seems to be the agreement that we can nab a scum kill within the Fire/Lale pile at the moment.

[pisskop]

Lol that scum want to butter you up specifically.

[pisskop]

you know, as opposed to just kill you or mislynch you.

[FireKari]

352 – Smu – I’m seeing Sin as town more than as scum, despite his lesson to me about scum who can deceive, with his posted strategies too.
357 – Max – where are you seeing that from TSB?
390 – you have got to be kidding me…
399 – this is just a sad vote. Also lack of reasoning for suggesting why I’m scum. Not being disrespectful here but if you're inconsiderate of others in this game, by doing this self-vote fiasco, you might as well replace out.
443 – yeah I don’t think so. I can barely take you seriously after your suicidal fiasco.
461 – This whole conspiracy about me buddying you because I’m scum is as fake as a pornstar’s cleavage. I'm reading you as town based on your sky-high attention-drawing ideas, your pattern of pro-town posts, and others' interactions with you. I've seen scum flock together like vultures on carcass - and your abnormal ideas are a perfect excuse for them to do that. I don't just look at one action or one inaction, but a collection of them to paint a picture.
463 – Ric, how about answering my question about why you townread Max?

dave's posts have been rather forgettable. Would like to hear dave's answer to my question to him.

VOTE: Fire

I'm not liking wg's Cop claim so early in d1. That's way too reckless, given our situation.

Why is this vote on me btw?

Also you consider that wg is actually VT trying to protect the role? Possibly trying to get both scum teams to attack him?
Most town move ever from where I am standing.

I just threw enough WIFOM there that the scum teams won't attack him.

-Fire

[FireKari]

I am indeed townreading you, Sinsun, as I have previously mentioned.

Your question is purely masturbatory. Everyone uses their own methods for hunting scum; it's not something that merits discussion, especially when the method in question is entirely self-centered. We can discuss actual scumreads 'till the sun sets, but that's it. Anything further is useless prattle. And for the record I do agree with the scumreads that you have.

Empire, interesting how you're trying to paint me as a fluffposter by picking out a handful of my posts. I may not have been open about the reasoning for most of my reads this game but I've certainly gathered and put forward a good amount of them. Anyone who looks at my ISO for themselves can see that. So why are you coming from this angle, I wonder? And why did you choose to analyse me over everyone else?

Okay Ricastle is probably not aligned with Sinsun. So theres that.