In post 499, Sinsun1 wrote:I bet if I survived the day, you'd check me tonight, get an innocent and then claim I'm guilty anyway just because you hold that much of a grudge. From here on out, I am refusing to play in games with anyone under the age of 17. Because otherwise it's full of kids thinking they are right. The worst part is, is that you are town cop. I mean if you were scum it'd be completely different and I'd actually read your posts more so I could nail you on them. But I've known you were town longer than anyone else, it's why I didn't bother trying to build a case or read you further because I was bloody right within the first 3 pages.I am being read as scum, essentially because I was right since the get-go. Imagine that.
so is this not in itself not a rather immature stance to take? how does this help your case?
"There is nothing more ironic or contradictory than life itself"... R.D.
No if I get an innocent I'd say your not mafia.
I admit that there's a chance I'm wrong, I'm not claiming I'm right. I'm saying I think to a high degree you are scum. You have also not been right from the get-go as my wall showed and you have failed to counter. I didn't win the award above my avatar for nothing, I know this game well. Age is not an indication of skill, often with age comes maturity and experience however that doesn't mean that all those young lack it. There's your fallacy. Another point that you need to realise is that people can be wrong, including you. Not just "the cursed youth these days", the most skilled players can be wrong and are continously, nobdoy will ever reach perfect play. What we can do is learn from our mistakes, I hold no grudge against you. The only thing I disliked was you calling me dumb and underestimating me, but besides that I have no reason to do so. I'm not one to hold grudges, what you do is your choice and it's not my place to judge it.
Then we'll see who's right at the end of this. Either it's me or Fire being lynched today it seems.
I was correct on my read of you, that cannot be denied. Think about your entire stance on me started with why I think you're 100% town. Well look at it this way, I was 100% right. Now wasn't I? The reason why I think you're foolish stems from you not being able to accept that someone can be that accurate and actually accuse them of being scum for it early D1.
I haven't bothered refuting anything because either you believe me or you don't. I didn't have a single thing to counter you with because there was no point in drawing attention to someone I knew was town (but whom kept drawing attention to themselves). Perhaps on my flip, you'll see why I've been drawing attention to myself, but until then think about why I've been town-reading you. If I knew you were town and I was scum, would it not make sense to push a false case on you and aim for your head? If you know how this game works, when someone figures out another as town in their mind, they don't begin trying to make them look scummy for the rest of town to lynch. Instead they try to avoid them getting voted for and getting lynched. It's how the game works. I'll be damned if you can't even see that.
Either way, if it's me that flips between Fire and I. Do me a favour, everyone kissing your ass and voting with you, check them. I can promise there's scum in that group without even a shred of doubt. I'd bet my full reputation as a scum-hunter on it (which isn't very well known here, but for anyone that cares to check, my first game here, we won and it was a closed set-up which is much harder than open).
If you wish to get a meta on me, ask Daves, Pisskop and Ika. Daves and Pisskop were town with me and Ika was mafia, but they all seen how I play as town, especially when I don't got anything to lose if I die. The only thing we lose with my death is a scum-hunter and a town member. The thing scum lose today is staying equal in power with the other scum faction.
But what I'm annoyed with most wgeurts, is your complete denial of tunneling. I'm trying to help you out in the long run by considering who wants me dead besides you. Regardless of my alignment, there's scum that want me dead. You haven't even stopped to consider that. Instead you're dead set in thinking I'm the only possible scum in a game with 6 scum members of 2 factions. Like do you understand from my perspective how much that frustrates me? Consider for a second that I am what I am telling you and that I've known you to be town so what I've been saying has been 100% true to my town thought process. Before you post next, I really want you to consider that. Dong, Daves and many others can see clearly that I am town, why can't my one hard town read see that? That's what makes me think you got your blinders for tunnel vision on because others can see it yet you cannot. But you go on about being intelligent while lacking the ability to think outside the box (Which many in this game seem to lack with their amazement at my way of thinking). Like it's frustrating for someone to claim intelligence to me and then lack that simple ability.
I am guilty of many fallacies. The difference between myself and others, is that I can own up to them. But if you want me to see you as something more than what I've been saying, then you gotta prove it to me. Prove me wrong that you aren't the fool I am saying you are. Otherwise that will be all I see in you.
Actually another question. If I were scum, why the hell would I draw attention out to me by calling you and Vedith town right off the bat? In what world does that even make sense?
Lynch preference is FireKari > Alma Mater > The Silver Bard > Vedith
I'll prob fully explain why is FK is just scum late tonight/2moro
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And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative
In post 503, Sinsun1 wrote:why the hell would I draw attention out to me by calling you and Vedith town right off the bat?
To buddy us?
Really? Why would I want to buddy you or him? I can barely stand him. I'm pretty sure I'd buddy TSB or someone else if that were the case. Someone who doesn't annoy me, that'd be damn sure.
Do I seem like your buddy this game? Or his for that matter? I am not being friendly to either of you what so ever. There's a difference between town-reading someone because you think they're town, nothing more, and actually buddying the person you are "town" reading. I don't think you can say a single message between wgeurts and I so far has been even close to friendly.
Lynch preference is FireKari > Alma Mater > The Silver Bard > Vedith
I'll prob fully explain why is FK is just scum late tonight/2moro
make sure you include a response to my iso of tsb
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop. Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
In post 477, Donempire wrote:That wasnt exactly what i was getting at. Sure, there were posts from you that was still half decent, but majority of your posts include those.
The reason i chose you is irrelevvant. Thats an useless question to ask.
Well yes it was what you were getting at because you outright stated "he has done no scumhunting". That's the narrative you're trying to create here, and it's blatantly false.
I actually really want to know the answer to it, though. You haven't given anyone else this same treatment, and I highly doubt that you already had a solid read on everyone but me by that time. There has to have been something that inspired you to choose me specifically, right? Unless you pulled my name out of a hat or something...that's the only way I'd consider it irrelevant.
If you are that curious, i have already focused on most players in the game. Remaining i never got time to look intocwas you, shadowwez and dave. I noticed a few fluff posts from you while rereading, so i decided a little checkup couldve bedn nice on you.
In post 491, wgeurts wrote:Anyone not on sinsun's wagon willing to take a win-win gamble regardless of alignment?
If you vote sinsun and he flips town I'll then give you my vote making you a double-voter?
I know at least 12 players here could use a double vote and a scum lynch is always good.
No.
For the last time, no.
Why would someone who truly believes sinsun is town vote him at the first place? This is like saying "hey scum, townread sinsun and vote him, then get a free vote from a confirmed town."
Besides, wg, who will you lynch if sinsun is town? I feel like you are tunneling too much on sinsun you practically ignore the rest of scummy people. Who, exactly is your choice in case sinsun gets confirmed via claiming vigi or seer?
Besides, wg, who will you lynch if sinsun is town? I feel like you are tunneling too much on sinsun you practically ignore the rest of scummy people. Who, exactly is your choice in case sinsun gets confirmed via claiming vigi or seer?
You underestimate me, I've already got ideas and associative tells setup for everyone based on interactions throughout the whole game,'I just don't state them as they are all hypothetical tells without any evidence until flips happen. I have long considered the implications of sinsun being town, I also already have ideas on who to push for lynching him with me and why if that happens.
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop. Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop. Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop. Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop. Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
