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[Antihero]

I think I'm falling in love with you, and I don't quite like it.

Suspicion

Vote Count 1.14

Ankamius - 1 (Vedith)
Cataphant - 1 (Ankamius)
Hecatia Lapislazuli - 2 (massive, pistachi0n)
Lying Cat - 4 (Thor665, Wingback, Davsto, Nachomamma8)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Hecatia Lapislazuli)
pistachi0n - 2 (Cataphant, Concrete Angels)
Thor665 - 1 (Lying Cat)

Not Voting: farside22

7 to lynch
Deadline: (expired on 2015-10-18 00:40:36)

[Hecatia Lapislazuli]

Dropping in to plop this here because deadline and because i haven't talked with notty about this game ever since i've been in a bad mood
VOTE: LC
~Sakura

[Vedith]

Quick rin down for the time being - Why is LC on 5 votes?

[farside22]

3 days till deadline.
Thank god.
I can't get in here to catch up tonight but tomorrow I'm free with no kid and no work to do it.

[Thor665]

I did not - I thought you were talking about the case Vedith made on you.

So I was right the first time.

How is your original question relevant then?

It wouldn't be - that's why I dropped it like a bad habit.

Quick rin down for the time being - Why is LC on 5 votes?

Because 5 town/scum think he's scummy/lynchable.

What is your value call on the slot and the wagon?

[Hecatia Lapislazuli]

I am townreading a fair amount of the wagon so I have no issue with it.

[Vedith]

I am townreading a fair amount of the wagon so I have no issue with it.

I mean, I'm with this although mines more the fact of my scum reads aren't on the wagon.
I don't see the original scum reason though...

[Lying Cat]

Hey, busy until late tonight, but I'm gonna claim to have a confirmable role.

Given that two of the scumroles are known, that means the odds are I'm gonna be conftown sooner rather than later.

At the moment, it is neither prudent nor necessary to tell anyone what my role actually is, but ETL will be able to confirm I targeted her during the next day phase.

[Wingback]

That doesn't alleviate my scum read given two other roles have already outed. I want the claim.

I also suspect you are using the word "conftown" rather liberally.

[Cataphant]

VOTE: lying cat

"I'm going to claim a confirmable role...later"

= scumclaim

(still behind, though)

[pistachi0n]

You know he's at L-1 now?

[hiplop]

^ ur next

[pistachi0n]

who are you?

[Lying Cat]

That doesn't alleviate my scum read given two other roles have already outed. I want the claim.

I also suspect you are using the word "conftown" rather liberally.

I, uh... Let's see here. There are two known quantities here. Scum have a ninja and a backup ninja. Whenever the third member of their team flips, I will be confirmed town by virtue of the fact that my role is confirmable. Also worth noting, the only purpose my claim would have is to help scum determine whether I'm a higher priority kill than either of the other claimed PRs.

VOTE: lying cat

"I'm going to claim a confirmable role...later"

= scumclaim

(still behind, though)

Yes. And I'm completely lying, despite the fact that if I were lying about my role, I'd be powerlynched immediately tomorrow. My role is so hyper important to the scumteam that delaying my lynch one day is of paramount importance.



Okay, I'm gonna read up now.

[Vedith]

Okay - Intent to hammer. Give a role and then we can move onto Ank or pistachi0n if it's justifiable.

[Lying Cat]

What would this reason be and why does it mean that Concrete can't be scum with Farside?

Already been answered.

Where? Quote it.

Farside's original catchup being mostly ETL then calling out ETL as her only null read, despite there being others in her catchup and inexplicable townreads does not come from a scumbuddy.

That would be a playstyle thing. Entering into any game, I have a list. That list is based off of one of two things based on my alignment: My ability to read the player/expectations of their usefulness OR the player's ability to read me/ability to lynch them later. ETL and Thor are basically the top of both lists for this playerlist, thus a first priority to figure out. Farside is slightly lower. Hecatia's presence in my "I actually give a shit about these players" pile comes from her early presence as a wagon. Cataphant popped up via interactions I noted as fishy above.

I don't think I understand what the lists are. List 1 is your ability to read the player/usefulness? That's not the same thing so how is that on the same list? List 2 is player's ability to read you/your ability to lynch them? They're not the same thing either. Clarify these things.

A list can be ordered by two different criteria. It's not a black and white valuation. The people who are both useful and readable are on top of list one. The people who are mildly useful and completely readable feature about as high as the people who are completely useful and mildy readable. The people who are neither are at the bottom. Rocket Science 101, that.

See above: Thor is high priority. If possible, I want a townread or hard scumread on him today. His normal play is largely alignment neutral, so the attempt to get him to play a more proactive and emotional game is an attempt to shake him up and make him more readable. Not out of some prior success, but an attempt to try something new.

If his play looks alignment-neutral to you, why wouldn't you prioritize reading players whose play

doesn't

look alignment-neutral from you POV? Normally when someone has a lot of null posts, I try to read others who don't, first.

No? I excel in breaking setups. In manipulation. In chaining actions. It is therefore far more productive to determine if the people who can help/hinder that in me are town than to sort the unknown qualities of others.

Hecatia Lapislazuli- mild town by situation. Town by claim.
Davsto- Town by claim.
Vedith- town by situation.
Nachomamma8- Town. Minor paranoia, because I default to town with him, but not worth readdressing yet.
Concrete Angels- mild town, not a pressing concern do to personal reasons.
Ankamius- mild town.
pistachi0n- null. I need to sit down and address that, though.
massive- Null. Also, likely to get ignored by me for a long time.
farside22- mild scum, but unaddressable until she gets her head in the game.
Wingback- mild scum. Sitting back and taking a manipulative stance. [p]453[/p] pings hard. Not making waves. Still useful enough that I don't want to lynch D1.
Thor665- Minor scum.
Cataphant- Scum. mostly gut, tbh, with the exception of things I've already addressed.

(Re-arranged so I can keep them in perspective)

Why are all your behavioral townreads besides Vedith "mild?" And all of your scumreads besides Cataphant are "mild" or "minor." Why no strong reads at all? Is this normal for you?

What of Vedith's "situation" do you read as town?

Why are you "defaulting" to town on Nacho?

Yeah, the reads are less solid than normal, but I'm not really surprised. Normally, not having a hard townread on ETL would be concerning, for example.

Vedith was the subject of a large wagon that took forever to fall apart with no strong contenders for a counterwagon on the back of a case that was weak as fuck. That tends to be town in my experience.

I'm not defaulting to town on Nacho. I'm reading Nacho as town. There is a note there to myself, mostly, telling me that I always read Nacho as town and need to be careful not to give him a pass for no reason. And I'm not interested in discussing the why there.

[Lying Cat]

Okay - Intent to hammer. Give a role and then we can move onto Ank or pistachi0n if it's justifiable.

The extent of my claim is that someone will know it during the night phase. Claiming more doesn't mean anything. I'm claiming that at some point in the game I will be confirmed town. I've asked that you force scum to kill me, but I won't claim further.

[Cataphant]

UNVOTE: VOTE: pistach1on

100% no matter what if you aren't confirmed tomorrow I'm dayvigging you.

[Concrete Angels]

I'm here, though will continue to be somewhat out of the loop due to OT at work and midterms/projects due this week/next week.

I do not support the LC wagon. Would prefer pistachi0n.

[Concrete Angels]

^ ETL

[Concrete Angels]

town to null-town:
{davsto, wingback, ankamius, vedith, farside, hecatia}

willing to leave for sorting tomorrow/after flips/night action results:
{massive, thor, LC}

remaining:
{pistachi0n, cataphant, nacho}

[farside22]

sigh
cries
sigh again

Pumps self up to read.

anak is probably town. He reads pretty much what I know of him (no I'm not sharing meta tells this game)

one vote is one vote this is really a nonsense argument to have.

this is only just weak points

We have a winner! Wasn't ducking you Thor I just tried reading from where I was on that page because of time issues.
I agree with you about LC.

FYI he plays this way all the time now That is not the way to figure out Anka's alignment.

I swear you avoided the wagon too Someone remind me didn't Pist not vote Verdith? If not what's the fucking point of calling anka out for it?

I'm totally not voting heca this game.

Sure you can. It still raised an eyebrow, and was still worth noting. Would you mind telling me why you thought Thor and Dav were town?

@farside: Is Cataphants assertion that they can meta read you true or false?

My catch up clearly put my thoughts in play. Both Bella and Hippy have played with me in a scum team and when we are both town. I think Bella would know me better then Hippy to be fair.
Hippy still gets it wrong.

something hinky with that ank flashwagon.

I endorse this product and/or service.

Im totally not voting CA this game.

@Lying Cat - good plan, double down on the useless and try to pass it off as strategy.

@Pistach - how has a edits wagon been a thing in the last 72 hours? I don't think it has been a thing since about 24 after it first appeared, and why is this reaction about it only showing up now?

I am fascinated that people thing the least openly explained vote on Ank - and one that existed prior to a wagon rush - is the scum midst somehow. I look forward to this case being explored deeper. You all, clearly, have me dead to rights.

Why are you not pressure LC with a vote?

meh, sounds butt hurt

wingpost 556



I'll taking making up theories for 100 Alex

That's just dumb.
I'm sorry but not just no, fuck no.

In my opinion when Heca was getting attacked all I reads was defensiveness from the post. That doesn't help me figure out them as players so I asked mostly because it seemed like the same discussion going on over and over at the time.

I sometime tunnel. I'm working on that. I tend to be stubborn but in response to your links I admitted already my head hasn't been in the game. I'm fixing that.

in regards to this
I make bad cases. Most people ignore my post so when someone says something about how I feel I pretty much just say this these days. Mostly when I'm behind.
Also im not sure how long you have played mafia. So this is in no way meaning to be snarky.
Is your experience in scum hunting typically associative?

I don't see how your response debunks what he said at all.

Wins!

Break time.

Computer is acting weird





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[Concrete Angels]

@farside - it's not easy to follow your commentary/thought process with those links, cuz I don't really know what you're talking about and have to keep clicking back and forth. especially on mobile. i'd love a summary of your thoughts and reasons, like, just quick comments. "i think X is town because Y".

[farside22]

Ca and heca town

LC and pist scummy.

Doing nothing and on my scumdar.
Massive

[Concrete Angels]

Are you null on the others?