Open 612 - Bad Poets Society - Game Over - Town Win

[Varsoon]

[Quaroath]

Vote Count 1.1

Amid all the chatter in this poetry lot
The barkeep offered to the Fire Hermit
A bottle of Tequila, that had the worm in it.
No thanks said he, but I would take a cot!

Tonight he sleep, this we can see
Recovery it come, in from the wild.
That sweet one, the innocent child.
But what of you... and what of me?

Errantparabola - (4) goodmorning, Ranger, Makara, Brunneis

Makara –(2) Errantparabola, Trivium
Goodmorning – (1) Ika Musume
Ika Musume – (1) Varsoon
MaxwellPuckett - (1) Vedith
Trivium - (1) The Fire Hermit
Vedith - (1) GrayFoxxxx

Not Voting – (2) duppin, MaxwellPuckett

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-10-25 23:59:59)

[Ranger]

Talk to me about Trivium - What stuck out for you with him?

Bad gut reaction to 78 and 79. Particularly 78. If I had the source pinpointed, I'd be applying more pressure, but sadly, I don't.

Wait, why Brunneis?

This one will take a little bit more explaining. I've had a long day, so I hope it's okay for you to wait a while. (Sleepy Ranger is ineffective Ranger.)

[Varsoon]

Can someone explain the Errant wagon to me?

[GrayFoxxxx]

I'm with varsoon here...
Maybe I'm missing something.

[goodmorning]

If you have never heard of a reaction test vote, you are bad.

Oh I've HEARD of a reaction test vote before, I just don't like them. At all. Care to explain why anyone would ever reaction vote for a good reason?

uhhhhh... to test someone's reaction?

I don't like the Errant wagon. Seems to me like people are voting him for post 71, and I agree with his view on 71. I also think goodmorning looks town, however, we mustn't put too much trust in someone who isn't IC.

w h a t

It's an Open. I rarely take Opens seriously.

what
why

I don't know why, I just don't. They're more fun that way. It's not like I'm not going to play it well, I'm just not going to play it seriously.

well, scum can and do reaction test, but parabola has deeply mischaracterised the nature of this test in particular in an attempt to make it seem scummy so he can push makara

i'm willing to hear you out on why it isn't scummy but i really need a justification. right now it feels like there's this piece of information that everyone is privy to that i'm missing out on.

Basically, the idea is to do X action, so that people react. You expect them to react like Y or Z. You think Y is more like what Town would do, and Z is more like what Scum would do. Then it gives you a good foundation to start reading people from.

Now, I have seen people try to duck out of scummy actions by screaming "REACTION TEST!"
But makara's initial action wasn't scummy and your characterisation of it thus doesn't fill me with confidence.

By playstyle I meant I literally can't hope but look over my posts to see what other people might think about them. And yes, it is inhibiting. Thats why I play this, so I can learn to care less of what others think of me. Maybe that will help me though on later games when people check my meta. Nobody would be able to tell the difference between my scum and town play.

Good luck, because I edit my posts to death approximately

all the time

and still haven't learned how to stop.

I don't really know how to respond to Trivium's response to the IC pressure.

I don't either, but Trivium's question to you is actually a reasonably good one.

At any rate, I do actually agree with Trivium about Makara, but the circumstances were odd, and I want to be sychronized with my hydra partner.

Complete synchronisation is overrated, and since you're an IC we can't even lynch you for hydra dissonance. Make the most of it!

@Trivium: ...because people have been talking to me directly about it?

Hmmmmmmm. Come to think of it I distinctly recall asking you a question earlier and I don't think you answered.

goodmorning: So, you're not going to be playing seriously? Good to know.

Yes, though as I mentioned above that doesn't preclude me from playing well.

[The Fire Hermit]

Yeah, in that case I guess I am flexible voting makara if it comes to that, and I hope firebringer backs me up.

Anyways, do you commonly make wall posts GM, just wondering.

[The Fire Hermit]

I am fine with pushing Makara, I don't have a huge town read on him.
But I don't have a scum read on him either.
Mild Town read.

[MaxwellPuckett]

I think Varsoon and Trivium could be Scum partners, though.

Explain why?

Goodmorning: mmm, alright. I think I got the wrong idea when you said you didn't take opens seriously.

In other news I'm a fan of Ranger at the moment.

[Errantparabola]

Trivium i dont think you never answered my question
Maxwell, why?
GM, ill respond to you when i get off my phone and go home

[Trivium]

I feel like your question was making a point more than asking a question, but ok. Anyways, I'm not saying that a (or every, as you seem to be trying to imply) philosophy that goes against mine is scummy, I'm saying that there is a specific philosophy that I also happen to disagree with that I think that scum are more likely to try. In my opinion scum are more likely to try to "pressure vote" so they can go "SEE?!?! THIS PERSON IS UNTRUSTWORTHY! LOOK HOW THEY PLAY UNDER PRESSURE!!1!!" when I know that a townie may act like scum if they are pressured enough. This is because if I were in the place of a person being vote pressured, I would probably look like scum trying to get out of a lynch.

[Trivium]

Explain to me what a reaction test vote is, someone, and please justify it. From my perspective it looks like you're straight up lying about your intentions, and then when someone calls you out on it, you call that person scum while backtracking.
From my point of view, it's not good play. But I don't think it's necessarily scum play.
That leads in to my question to Trivium; where's your link to a play you don't like to a play you think scum would make? People have different playing philosophies,

why

is a philosophy that disagrees from yours scummy?

Heres your "why" question, implying that I think that every philosophy different from mine is scummy. There are like a dozen different fallacies involved in that. Slippery slope, misinterpretation, can't think of many otheers off the top of my head, but you get the picture.

[Trivium]

OK real talk - my vote on ranger was a reaction test. I don't like the way that Errant responded to it - it felt like it was going after a scummy-looking player without looking deeper. He could have asked why it was a serious vote, but he mostly seemed interested in going after an easy target.

VOTE: Errant

@ranger pls get an avi - it makes your posts easily recognizable on a quick glance

I don't like the way you are reacting to the pressure. Reaction test vote? That's scummy. There are ways of pressuring scum without voting, and unless you have a good reason to suspect someone, there should be no reason to "reaction test vote" someone. In my opinion, reaction test votes don't exist. The way you respond to pressure? Changing your vote under persecution. Now that I have reason to suspect you, I'm gonna go ahead and vote you.

VOTE: MAKARA

Here is the post where I think you were asking about. Would you kindly point out where I said any philosophy I disagree with is scummy?

[Errantparabola]

okay, that makes sense. thanks
if i wanted to make a point i'd make a point, i wouldn't put it in a question.

[Errantparabola]

Basically, the idea is to do X action, so that people react. You expect them to react like Y or Z. You think Y is more like what Town would do, and Z is more like what Scum would do. Then it gives you a good foundation to start reading people from.

Now, I have seen people try to duck out of scummy actions by screaming "REACTION TEST!"
But makara's initial action wasn't scummy and your characterisation of it thus doesn't fill me with confidence.

Yes, I can see that. I think where I was deviating from you is my train of thought, which went a bit something like this.

- I thought that Ranger's vote was just to put pressure on makara by saying that the vote might be serious.
- I took makara's omgus serious vote at face value.
- I thought that a serious vote in response to a pressure vote was an overreaction.

I think it makes sense that I would think that the reaction test was backtracking considering I thought makaras vote was odd in the first place. I also think it would make sense that I was suspicious of the reaction test claim as a whole was bad play. The reason being:

- I thought that the overreaction was scummy.
- I thought that acting scummy and then saying that it was a reaction test is essentially an excuse for acting scummy.

[Errantparabola]

I'm gonna UNVOTE: and reread.

[The Fire Hermit]

So many people need to die

VOTE: Bruneiss
VOTE: Makara
VOTE: Errantparabola

[Trivium]

Basically, the idea is to do X action, so that people react. You expect them to react like Y or Z. You think Y is more like what Town would do, and Z is more like what Scum would do. Then it gives you a good foundation to start reading people from.

Now, I have seen people try to duck out of scummy actions by screaming "REACTION TEST!"
But makara's initial action wasn't scummy and your characterisation of it thus doesn't fill me with confidence.

Yes, I can see that. I think where I was deviating from you is my train of thought, which went a bit something like this.

- I thought that Ranger's vote was just to put pressure on makara by saying that the vote might be serious.
- I took makara's omgus serious vote at face value.
- I thought that a serious vote in response to a pressure vote was an overreaction.

I think it makes sense that I would think that the reaction test was backtracking considering I thought makaras vote was odd in the first place. I also think it would make sense that I was suspicious of the reaction test claim as a whole was bad play. The reason being:

- I thought that the overreaction was scummy.
- I thought that acting scummy and then saying that it was a reaction test is essentially an excuse for acting scummy.

I don't fully understand your apparent train of thought here. It seems manufactured and fake. I don't see how an overreaction indicates someone being scummy, and frankly I think you are the best vote right now. I am changing my vote from Keyser because I think the results from the night may give the town a clue as to who scum is.

VOTE: Errrantparabola

[Trivium]

Hey whoawhoawhoa. Errant is at lynch-1.

[Trivium]

Errant- Why shouldn't you be lynched?

[The Fire Hermit]

It was cold in the village; Ten days before the bandits would return to pillage

All the villagers would be forced to flee
Lest they be made into a pile of mince meat

If only they had a blanket to keep them warm
To make the nights bearable while they were forlorn

Suprise to all our hero was born...

The Fire Hermit would bring light amidst the bandits scorn!

[The Fire Hermit]

Hammertime!

VOTE: Trivium

[The Fire Hermit]

Ha,







































































































































Jk that wasn't really a hammer

VOTE: Brunneis

[Ika Musume]

you should l-1 it so i can hammer

[The Fire Hermit]

Ah, whatever! My partner had a scumread on him, so just make sure he claims first Ika.

Also I think I mastered this...

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