Open 612 - Bad Poets Society - Game Over - Town Win

[St Constantine the Hermit]

What happened to fun Varsoon?

Anyways, the set-up isn't actually known to us right now. There is still way to much room for speculation.

[ika]

Never been resistant what are you smoking

[Varsoon]

The good stuff.

The setup design is known.

Publically, we know that there is
1-Shot Cop (C)
Inno Child (M)
2 Kills (V or T)

I have claimed Doctor, and that I targeted GM, but the kill didn't go through, so I know but we can assume
Doctor (D)
Roleblocker (Less than TTTTT and/or B)

So this means, if we proceed on my claim,
CMDT or CMDV is confirmed.
This means we have three variable letters,
Which means we should mass claim.

Then we win.

I could give less of a shit what you do or how you feel about me, as I am dead in the water tonight for claiming doc.

[Varsoon]

What I'm saying is that we either have a town vigilante who can confirm themselves against other claims
or we have a SK setup which means there is either T or TTT and, ergo, at least one other town PR who can confirm themselves as town against the other claims.

[Varsoon]

Regardless, we have, at minimum, in the case of a mass-claim, three town confirmed players.

[Varsoon]

disagree on the setup your speccing right now

well i know your wrong varsoon cus we are the last PR in the setup right now.

your running under the assumption we have no B to begin with

hey varsoon remmeber how you dislike POE, did you knwo what your doing right now is a way of POE?

Feels like resistance to me.
Usually, when someone disagree with what I am doing, says I am wrong, says I am running under assumptions (I brought up the B before that post, too), and calls out that I have a meta point contrary to how I am currently playing, I see that as someone standing against my play.

[ika]

It's not it's just stating you are wrong based on what I know

[ika]

Also staying you will die when then can just rob you apparently seems contradictory do you disagree?

[Varsoon]

UNVOTE:

Regardless.
We should mass claim and move forward from there,
Unless you cucks want to shoot town in the foot and lynch me or something equally stupid.

What am I doing wrong?
I know for a fact that I am doctor.
I know for a fact that we have CMD in the setup given the flips and my role PM.
Since there were two kills, I know for a fact that there is a second kill either by Vig or SK.
Since my protection did not work, I know for a fact that there is a roleblocker in the setup, represented by either a B or T value less than 5.

P-EDIT:
Scum/SK would be stupid not to kill me.
Yes, they could RB me, and they likely will, but by killing me, they free up their RB to fire elsewhere if the RB is scum-oriented.
If the RB is town-oriented, they won't hit me, but scum/SK still has a high chance of hitting me.
I am essentially confirmed town at this point AND a doctor, so yeaaaaaaaaa I'm deader than a doornail

[Quaroath]

Guys, if you can't stay in hydra, you need to replace the hydra with one person. It's out of control.

[The Fire Hermit]

I sometimes do what Varsoon is doing as scum.

What happened to fun Varsoon?

Anyways, the set-up isn't actually known to us right now. There is still way to much room for speculation.

Mine

Sorry Quaroth.

[The Fire Hermit]

I am generally in favor of mass role claiming. It informs town, and the massive amount of pr speculation has always unrooted at least one scum.

I will differ to firebringer on this.

I am in support of this plan and I don't want to push Varsoon today.

Makara is someone I want FoS right now.

[Ranger]

Why is he one-hundred percent town?

Because this is an open game where Varsoon very clearly was claiming doctor in a very convincing manner when there are two nightkills flying around which paints a giant target on his head for scum to say, "SHOOT ME".

[Errantparabola]

Ranger, could you please respond to me?

[Ranger]

49, 233, 259.
When I posted my vote on makara, I was convinced everyone who had posted was far more likely to be town than not. So I voted makara in spite of not thinking makara was scum, waiting for someone to vote in a manner that looked like scum.

Errant following my vote made me instantly think she was scum.

Then, the Errantparabola wagon:

Errantparabola - (6) goodmorning, Ranger, Makara, Brunneis, The Fire Hermit, Trivium

...Which I know has 4/6 players be town on it, mysteriously vanished, going from L-1 to just me by the end of the day.

With the votes switching to Brunneis, I became convinced that between Errant, Trivium, and Brunneis, we have two scum.
While I'm not sold on Brunneis, I still hold my opinion on Errant.

[Ranger]

Trivium - (7) Brunneis, MaxwellPuckett, Varsoon, Makara, duppin, The Fire Hermit, Ika Musume
Brunneis – (3) GrayFoxxxx, Trivium, goodmorning

It is also worth noting for the Brunneis wagon that the only unflipped player on it is GrayFox and it was otherwise town.

So I think it's a very real possibility Trivium was a town counterwagon to scum-Brunneis, who were themselves a counterwagon to Errant. I'm of the opinion, though, that Errant-Brunneis was scum-scum.

[Ranger]

As for a third, my bet is also on the Trivium wagon: GrayFox hasn't struck me as scum, nor has Vedith.

So the options are MaxwellPuckett, makara, and duppin. Of them, my bet is on makara.

So my scumteam theory is {Errant, Brunneis, makara}.

Not sure about the SK, though.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I'm not too familiar with Game set up/theory/whatever you call it, I'll probably just sheep the majority on that.

P.Sure ranger is town. I agree with his VCA.

[GrayFoxxxx]

@ika

Why don't you think we should mass claim?

[GrayFoxxxx]

Looking a triv wagon I think brunn and/or max are scum.VOTE: max

Brunn is claiming VT. I need to go back and see who voted for him. Why didn't scum run his wagon up, like they did trivs?

I'm ok with voting either, but wanna vote max for pressure.

[makara]

I'm going to be V/la until monday

I'm still not scumreading Brunneis. I feel that most of what Brunneis is posting is town motivated.

My current scumreads are errant, ranger and a scumlean on greyfox. I'd like to see more content from duppin though.

I wouldn't be opposed to a massclaim and agree with Varsoons reasoning for it, although I'm not really good at setup reasoning.

hydras please use your accounts to post.

[MaxwellPuckett]

I'm in favour of massclaiming. I wanna move on the assumption Varsoon is town. Yeah, we don't know the setup, but scum don't know the town PRs, and fakeclaiming without having more information would be dangerous. And a mass claim on top of that could easily screw a fakeclaim over. Also, town Varsoon goes with what I've seen from him so far.

PEDIT: Greyfox, I'm pretty sure I said earlier in this game that voting for pressure doesn't work if you... say you're voting for pressure. That's like setting up a reaction test and saying 'I'm testing your reactions'.

Also, I'm on board with errant-scum. So far, all of her questions today have been asking ranger about their suspicion on her, as if that hasn't been talked about enough.

Makara: Explain your ranger scumread, please. You think Ranger is trying to get somewhere by bussing errant, based on your current scumreads?

[The Fire Hermit]

Please guys, for the sake of all that is holy, go with brunneis and then makara. They are going to be lynched at some point, and I want to get past this hurdle before scum can reassert themselves.

[Ika Musume]

sorry when im mobile i cant switch as easy due to passwords

anyways im not inherntly opposed to it right now. the only thing is that it basicly makes a roadmap of kills

[GrayFoxxxx]

UNVOTE:
I still think you could be scum, but i would like your current read on brunn.


VOTE: Brunn

Going back to original vote