Mini 1730: Suikoden U-Pick GAME OVER

[wgeurts]

Also, newsflash, you did copy his reads before the thread lock. You stated I am scum and were ready to lynch me.

Eta: I learned from that mistake, and what I have learned is not to trust anyone. FYI, the rest of you trust others too easily. It will end in disaster, I should know, cos it happened to me, by Shiro.

So because we happened to share a read I was following him?
Then you should apply this logic to a lot more people besides me. Others have scum read you

[wgeurts]

Your behavior though is anti-town. All your reads being omgus isn't helpful. While no mistakes should happen, they do. You can't throw the baby out with the bath water. If you play with someone for quite awhile and know they can read you, then this approach may be valid on that player.

As for 861, those are the points you need to elaborate on. Not the LQ is scumreading you therefore scum bit.

That's what I'm saying, her logic is flawed

Logic is flawed on why she is voting you (OMGUS); doesn't mean she's wrong on you wking LQ.

Wking?

[wgeurts]

I'm not bloody copying LQ, my gawd

[wgeurts]

Also jeanne, it happened once.
I can give you 10 games that won by town bloc for every one lost by it.

[Jeanne11]

That's what Shiro and Titus said last game. They ended up being scum. Case in point, your argument isn't something I haven't seen.

[Jeanne11]

So you and LQ are 100 % confirmed town. I see.

[wgeurts]

But it is true,
Scum use it because it is true.
It's not about never making a mistake as that's impossible, it's about learning to make as little as possible. You got manipulated twice, that happens but the best way to handle it is to learn. How can you have any town reads at all?
Town reading someone indicates you trust them to a certain extent.
I trust my town reads, doesn't mean I'm right and I'm always open to changing them.

[wgeurts]

Never said that, LQ is one of my weaker town reads so not really.
Me. Well to me I am and to you I'm not, same applies vise-versa.
I'm not saying you should town read me or LQ, I'm trying to sort you and I'm getting a pretty good idea.

[wgeurts]

Jeanne, work with me and if I start manipulating you happily vote me and hang me alive.
Who are you town reading?

[Jeanne11]

Then why aren't you voting him? If he isn't really your town read, shouldn't you at least pressure him a bit?

ETA: Elbirn and Suzune.

[Jeanne11]

But you are acting just like Shiro did back then, trying to pull me in with your lies and then suffocate me with carbon monoxide.

[wgeurts]

Then why aren't you voting him? If he isn't really your town read, shouldn't you at least pressure him a bit?

ETA: Elbirn and Suzune.

He's a weak town read, not a scum read.
I'll pressure people when I see fit, right now I'm focusing on you.

[wgeurts]

But you are acting just like Shiro did back then, trying to pull me in with your lies and then suffocate me with carbon monoxide.

Then I'm one hell of a nasty bastard
No. Just work with me, discuss your reads at the minimum. Even if I'm scum that can't do you any harm and I'm not going to ask you to do something.

[Titus]

Your behavior though is anti-town. All your reads being omgus isn't helpful. While no mistakes should happen, they do. You can't throw the baby out with the bath water. If you play with someone for quite awhile and know they can read you, then this approach may be valid on that player.

As for 861, those are the points you need to elaborate on. Not the LQ is scumreading you therefore scum bit.

That's what I'm saying, her logic is flawed

Logic is flawed on why she is voting you (OMGUS); doesn't mean she's wrong on you wking LQ.

Wking?

White knighting.

[Titus]

That's what Shiro and Titus said last game. They ended up being scum. Case in point, your argument isn't something I haven't seen.

To be fair, what I did is I spun a series of facts based on the setup to "confirm" Shiro violating my own rule on read strength.

[Reasonably Rational]

Ranger; you are objectively bad at mafia. Whatever is "bad" about marked had better not result in wguerts being dead or we'll ensure you are hanging on a rope as swiftly thereafter as possible.

We have our reasons, already crumbed.

~Drixx

[Titus]

Ranger; you are objectively bad at mafia. Whatever is "bad" about marked had better not result in wguerts being dead or we'll ensure you are hanging on a rope as swiftly thereafter as possible.

We have our reasons, already crumbed.

~Drixx

From where I sit, wgeurts looks pretty bad too.

From your POV, why do you consider Ranger as bad rather than scum? Why not reconsider your wgeurts read?

[wgeurts]

RR?
What do you know of me?
Also titus, your welcome for punishing someone trolling your wiki-page.

[Jeanne11]

You cannot do any harm to me? Really? You tried to convince people to lynch me and that isn't doing any harm to me? What about if I am NKed? Will you claim you didn't mean any harm then too?

[wgeurts]

Then I lied to you, all in all this is just a game. Sharing reads can do no harm.

[Reasonably Rational]

Ranger is objectively bad, regardless of his alignment. Ranger claims to have had a "scum read" on wgeurts when marking wgeurts, but at the time of the mark, wgeurts had two posts: and RVS vote and an RVS chatter post a few posts later. There was no objective reason to mark wgeurts or any way to even read wgeurts at that time.

This public marking would seem to indicate a town role at work, but the horrible usage and obviously outright lie by Ranger claiming to have made the mark because of having a scum read have me reevaluating.

So if town, Ranger is objectively bad for making a hasty decision based upon nothing to actually read, and then later lying and claiming he had an actual reason to do what he did (presuming the mark is real and has the supposed sekret bad consequences). If scum, Ranger is even more objectively bad for doing that when there was clearly no town motive to do so, because now he's got a spotlight on him.

Anyone want to have a friendly bet on whether Ranger tries to wait me out and avoid this or whether he'll instead talk to me?

~Drixx

[Jeanne11]

And then there's a fact you casually dismiss the fact that you could lie to me. Sorry, but that doesn't help changing my opinion of you.

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

I need to reevaluate. I can't remember if my vote on titus was because I was pissed or if there was something to it that I can't remember because I was still fucked up yesterday. Also I read the past like 10+ pages that have happened since Saturday morningish and I retained hardly any of it so I need to do that again.

Me, suzune, Jeanne = bloody obvious town seriously stop it
RR = good vibes and rainbows here
Titus = pending review ,will honestly probably wind up back in the "town bloc" when I stop being a pissbaby
Ranger = same as titus but a little weaker, she feels really town to me but I'm willing to reconsider after RR's last few posts
Bright = I don't know 100% who's controlling the dragon doggie, but my guts fairly sure they're town. I know that's bullshit idc.

LQ said some shit about me that I'm about to tear to shreds if you'll bear with me.

Don't like wgeurts either.

Black majick is scum but I forget why, Brb rereading

Uhm...who else is in this game? Brantz has done nothing. Has he been prodded? Pistachi0n is crap. Klingon hasn't given us much content but I'll throw her a bone, she's a weak townread. I can *feel* it. I really wish I were townreading firekari but idk if I am anymore

[wgeurts]

And then there's a fact you casually dismiss the fact that you could lie to me. Sorry, but that doesn't help changing my opinion of you.

That's fine, time will tell.
I can't make you believe I'm town, though I've given you something to ponder.

Also. The mark is real, I get a PM saying I was marked.

[Jeanne11]

Yeah sure, and then you'll kill me as soon as night arrives before I could reaffirm my suspicions. I might be naive, but not that naive.