Mini 1737: Bringer Mafia [Mafia Win]

[Errantparabola]

I'm asking people with more experience than me right now- what are the drawbacks of holding a lynch back until it gets closer to deadline?
And what are the benefits of quick lynching?

Here are my thoughts.
Pros of quick lynching
Make scum desperate, posssibly urging scum to stick out their neck in an attempt to dodge the wagon
Removes chance for scum to influence the wagon another way

Cons of quick lynching
Less time to scumhunt?

[Frozen Angel]

Well! Lets go wrod by word : "and I do think his craziness in day 1 is helpful and it makes sense to me because it will take out scums from their shells"

take out scums ... I never said he is a town member. if he is scum he already is out of his shell :/

Why are we fighting over something we're both agreed on?! I'm just saying you cant judge him so soon because of his playstyle , that's all! I never said less and I certainly never said more.

In other words I'm null on him so far as you all must be , in my opinion ...

[Frozen Angel]

Another con of quick lynching : make a later lynch will bring us more information because scums will be forced to talk , and more they talk more chance for making mistakes ...

[Fraggernaut]

Frozen kind of null here with a pretty substantial slight scum lean. They placed me into L2 without stating intent which was very bad in my opinion. Said I was being "defensive" & used that as a excuse to put a vote on me placing me at L2 without stating intent. Frozen's #266 was decent for the most part. I can understand putting pressure on someone under votes; not in the way they put me at L2 though.

What is this Fraggernaut?!

I literally have no idea what you just said 3 times repeatedly : they placed you in L2 (no I put you there alone) which is really bad for you (why?!!!if your town being under pressure and getting out of there make more people trust you, and your not afraid of it) and its bad in your opinion (your afraid of something? Is it a kind of confess?)

I said you're being defensive and I declared I'm putting you in L2 to put you under pressure. (without saying intent ...!)?!

My post 266 was decent for the most part : so your accept you played defensive and your afraid of something ? and You didn't even answer the question I asked you there.

What was different about the way I put you in pressure? Your kind of black wooly bear I must be afraid of?

Why would I be afraid of one of my scum leans putting me at L2? It was pretty bad when you didn't state intent. You put me at L2 & then after the fact said something along the lines of "Oh that's L2" like it was a afterthought. I'm fairly confident in defending myself. I can be defensive it seems at times but I'm really just always like that when it comes to my town game.

[Fraggernaut]

Hmm. Feels a bit reachy.

Fraggernaut has been scum-reading nearly everyone interacting with him: from the people on his wagon, and the players town-reading him (suspecting being "pocketed"). This shouts paranoid-townie to me. For me he only wins scum-points for not engaging with players 'outside his focus'.

I fully agree he's scumreading everyone else that's reading him, however it should be evident that at that point he was townreading Accountant. Town!Fragger, even if paranoid about the wagon, would have diverted suspicion to one of the two people voting him that he was scumreading (All Alone / Bullet), which would have merited a townread; however he didn't and instead decided that he was willing to lean scum on Accountant because he assumed I was interested in pushing the wagon.

Not even true in the slightest. Keep lying Radiant.

[Frozen Angel]

*Palm Face*

Just bring me something before my vote about you suspecting me ...

"one of my scum leans" heh

[Frozen Angel]

"and You didn't even answer the question I asked you there"

[Frozen Angel]

It was pretty bad when you didn't state intent. You put me at L2 & then after the fact said something along the lines of "Oh that's L2" like it was a afterthought.

people you judge about this please ...

If you weren't defensive against RC, You are defensive right now.

I can't accept this as a town move , and the way you soft claimed ..........

VOTE: Fraggernaut he is in L2 I guess

Lets see how will you react under more pressure ...

[Keyser Söze]

In other words I'm null on him so far as you all must be , in my opinion ...

I now understand your position.

[Fraggernaut]

It was pretty bad when you didn't state intent. You put me at L2 & then after the fact said something along the lines of "Oh that's L2" like it was a afterthought.

people you judge about this please ...

If you weren't defensive against RC, You are defensive right now.

I can't accept this as a town move , and the way you soft claimed ..........

VOTE: Fraggernaut he is in L2 I guess

Lets see how will you react under more pressure ...

Which is after the fact. Like L2 wasn't as important as it should be. You casually just put something at L2 after the fact.

[BlockyMan]

Yeah that really makes no sense

[Frozen Angel]

It was pretty bad when you didn't state intent. You put me at L2 & then after the fact said something along the lines of "Oh that's L2" like it was a afterthought.

people you judge about this please ...

If you weren't defensive against RC, You are defensive right now.

I can't accept this as a town move , and the way you soft claimed ..........

VOTE: Fraggernaut he is in L2 I guess

Lets see how will you react under more pressure ...

Which is after the fact. Like L2 wasn't as important as it should be. You casually just put something at L2 after the fact.

two things!

1- being in L2 is not such a big deal! specially in day 1 and specially when people actually say they are testing you! Thats where all your defensiveness come from! the fact your afraid of getting hammered in day 1 means you really have something to hide.

2 - Second I always vote like this VOTE X he is in Ly
Can't get your point about mentioning its not big deal. If it was a useless fact in my mind I couldn't state it at all!

[Fraggernaut]

Its still bad play to put someone at L2 after the fact. So you think "something to hide" is only scum? I've breadcrumbed quite a bit already. Unfortunate you still haven't picked it up.

[Frozen Angel]

Yeah that really makes no sense

Please use quotes and more details or you seems like a crazy person ...

Its still bad play to put someone at L2 after the fact. So you think "something to hide" is only scum? I've breadcrumbed quite a bit already. Unfortunate you still haven't picked it up.

"something to hide" is not only scummy. That's why we need to test you by putting you in L2 / or even L1 ...

and I can't really get what you mean by after the fact?!!

[PatientZer0]

1- being in L2 is not such a big deal! specially in day 1 and specially when people actually say they are testing you! Thats where all your defensiveness come from! the fact your afraid of getting hammered in day 1 means you really have something to hide.

I don't agree with this. I know for a fact whether he is town or mafia he would defend himself to not get lynched Day 1, it is only natural.

[Vedith]

Catch up soon.

[Frozen Angel]

1- being in L2 is not such a big deal! specially in day 1 and specially when people actually say they are testing you! Thats where all your defensiveness come from! the fact your afraid of getting hammered in day 1 means you really have something to hide.

I don't agree with this. I know for a fact whether he is town or mafia he would defend himself to not get lynched Day 1, it is only natural.

I refer you to my 266 post

[Frozen Angel]

Well its over midnight here and I really need to sleep. will catch up with you guys tomorrow

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Yeah Yeah , Im awake.....

I like waiting it out rather than than quick lynch as you have longer connection between the two scum. On the short hand its not helpful but on the long term basis it can help catch scum. Plus it lets town set up for night actions if there need to do so.


Ok so I will read the notes and be back in a few with my thoughts

[RadiantCowbells]

Exhaustive list of people cuter than Annie:

[PatientZer0]

Her way of attack may cause people to defend themselves .

Defending yourself is completely right. playing defensive is what I call scummy. He just says how RC is playing bad and how invalid are RC's posts are. He calls all his voters scummy and clearly soft role claiming.

If he had nothing to fear about what is this afraid tone coming from?

Hm, I think your definitions here are a littler weird and I don't think you are right in that analysis, but that unsettling hard soft claim was really not necessary and makes him seem considerably more scummy.

[RadiantCowbells]

I note that I may be blind but have not seen a crumb at all.

[Fraggernaut]

Yeah Yeah , Im awake.....

I like waiting it out rather than than quick lynch as you have longer connection between the two scum. On the short hand its not helpful but on the long term basis it can help catch scum. Plus it lets town set up for night actions if there need to do so.


Ok so I will read the notes and be back in a few with my thoughts

Waiting it out as scum to watch a mislynch? Or waiting it out as town?

[Fraggernaut]

Her way of attack may cause people to defend themselves .

Defending yourself is completely right. playing defensive is what I call scummy. He just says how RC is playing bad and how invalid are RC's posts are. He calls all his voters scummy and clearly soft role claiming.

If he had nothing to fear about what is this afraid tone coming from?

Hm, I think your definitions here are a littler weird and I don't think you are right in that analysis, but that unsettling hard soft claim was really not necessary and makes him seem considerably more scummy.

Not sure which "hard soft claim" you are referring to cause I've made neither. I've breadcrumbed a few things with word choice but that's it. If you believe me to be something else you're mistaken. My initial posts about a claim were not a soft.

[BlockyMan]

Frozen out to 8/10 on my scum-o-meter
Fragger is lowest, 3/10
Along with Keyser 3/10