Secret Alt Mafia 2 – Game over!

[Titus]

Phantom, Stop being dumb and vote scum with me.

Everyone else, Seriously why would Phantom vote his only "supporter" as scum?

VOTE: Shady

[Shady]

236 244 I am not liking Dipsy's vote here onto NA, given the criticism brought before that he didn't just vote NA at 155. Instead he just votes NA. The response to this criticism comes in 244 rather than 236. If Dipsy's catching up in order, he should have replied to the criticism of why Gwen over NA before moving his vote.

245 Soothsayer not noticing the inconsistencies in Dipsy's catchup is also troubling, considering he townreads Dipsy for catch up posting. How hard is it to realize that as of post 240 Dipsy has read to 237 or that 244 is a dodge?

titus shut the fuck up

[Titus]

so here's a question: why are we still confident gumby is town?

Well we could massclaim it out. If no one says alignment cop, then question Gumby.

Till then, he's town.

Not inclined to do that but Gumby frankly is town.

[Shady]

that quote was by accident, was trying to research concorde/dipsy interactions, didn't get much. however i'm tired of this boring low-IQ poster humping my leg like a chihuahua on viagra esp. when i'm trying to do work in the game

[Titus]

236 244 I am not liking Dipsy's vote here onto NA, given the criticism brought before that he didn't just vote NA at 155. Instead he just votes NA. The response to this criticism comes in 244 rather than 236. If Dipsy's catching up in order, he should have replied to the criticism of why Gwen over NA before moving his vote.

245 Soothsayer not noticing the inconsistencies in Dipsy's catchup is also troubling, considering he townreads Dipsy for catch up posting. How hard is it to realize that as of post 240 Dipsy has read to 237 or that 244 is a dodge?

titus shut the fuck up

Wow, I had Dispy earlier and gee you could gave pointed that out but I was convinced Dipsy was [redacted] and town.

Yet, you had no desire to reach out to me because it painted your NA push as bad.

Do you still think NA is scum? Or was I right there too?

[Titus]

Which that means resetting my reads to that point might be best...

Oh wait, that's where my reads are now.

Not voting Gumby or Phantom.

[The Phantom of the Opera]

@Shady: The strongest thing outside of the miller claim on Gumby is this post after Joey's slip:

Ouch :/ looks like you composed that in your Scum PT before posting.

It's a scumslip. It happens.

VOTE: Joey Tribbiani

PEdit ninja'd

[Shady]

Wow, I had Dispy earlier and gee you could gave pointed that out but I was convinced Dipsy was [redacted] and town.

Yet, you had no desire to reach out to me because it painted your NA push as bad.

Do you still think NA is scum? Or was I right there too?

i in all honesty did not process that quote mentally at all. i was hoping to get a portrait of interactions with dipsy and had quoted that but didn't find much else. yeah, you were suspicious of him early no i don't think it's meaningful.

i have no desire to reach out to you because while my overall feeling says you're still probably town, frankly you seem to have trouble reading and comprehending other posts, your logic the entire game has been awful, and i have no reason to believe you'll ever post a single thing worth reading.

i still think he's plausibly scum but i'm trying to survey the entire game now that numbers are low, survey the entire game. i noticed some things about gumby when i was reading back and want to talk about them with someone who isn't you, because you're annoying

[Titus]

@Shady: The strongest thing outside of the miller claim on Gumby is this post after Joey's slip:

Ouch :/ looks like you composed that in your Scum PT before posting.

It's a scumslip. It happens.

VOTE: Joey Tribbiani

PEdit ninja'd

That's nothing.

[The Phantom of the Opera]

Phantom, Stop being dumb and vote scum with me.

I don't negotiate with terrorists.

I also explained why I wasn't receptive to a Shady case - your strongest point on him is that he isn't scumhunting, I very much disagree with that, there's not really progress that can be made on that.

I'm also not convinced that you're town for the reasons I mentioned yesterday, especially after the Dipsy townflip. I don't like that you immediately turned on me when I attacked you while Dipsy was in trouble while doubling down on your Dipsy townread and I don't think that the way you read Dipsy or me yesterday is the way you read people when town.

[The Phantom of the Opera]

while my overall feeling says you're still probably town, frankly you seem to have trouble reading and comprehending other posts, your logic the entire game has been awful, and i have no reason to believe you'll ever post a single thing worth reading.

Why do you think she's town?

[Titus]

@Shady, It shouldn't matter if I'm annoying. We get three conftown, the game if near impossible for scum.

@Phantom, *shrug* You're not really going to try and persuade me Shady's town and are ignoring Shady doubt casting who he can; there's nothing I can do on that front.

Gwen andGV are still much better votes.

It's not terrorism to tell you to stop being dumb. Stop playing emotionally and think.

[Shady]

@Shady: The strongest thing outside of the miller claim on Gumby is this post after Joey's slip:

Ouch :/ looks like you composed that in your Scum PT before posting.

It's a scumslip. It happens.

VOTE: Joey Tribbiani

PEdit ninja'd

that actually looks kind of phony tbh

anyway what i'm getting at was, while i was skimming back through dipsy's posts, i ran by him hard-defending gumby, which isn't all that interesting by itself - sum will defend a player when they feel like their claim is obvtown. but it got me curious, and i noticed gumby's posting has done a massive fade, his last 20 or so posts are terrible. adding to that, i had a pet theory day 1, i'm not sure if i referenced it or not, but gumby's late miller claim on day 1 makes a LOT more sense if the scum have daytalk, and someone came up with the idea and told him to do it after he already posted. cellphone flipping encryptor makes me more suspicious of the clim because it very easily could have been him coached into doin it. i want to reread in detail but it's really setting me off and wanted to start a conversation


anyway i think megafan and gwen are town, and (sigh) titus is more likely than not, and i need to work through everyone else

[Shady]

while my overall feeling says you're still probably town, frankly you seem to have trouble reading and comprehending other posts, your logic the entire game has been awful, and i have no reason to believe you'll ever post a single thing worth reading.

Why do you think she's town?

stubborn moronic conviction

[Titus]

Fine, we can work through Great Value then Shady. He's the name overlapping in our two pools.

[Shady]

Wow, didn't realise the wagon on Dimitri. Don't remember his posts being that bad, will ISO and see what I missed.

Hmm, I can see where the scumread of Dimitri has come from, on a readthrough. Probably won't be pursuing it myself unless something else emerges though, for now at least.

So Dimitri hasn't posted for a while, that's nice. I don't see Quailford being lynched today due to him "just being trolly" (I mean I fail to see hoe that isn't a reason to lynch by itself but you know), and I reckon Dimitri has a nice chance of flipping scum.
VOTE: Dimitri Davidoff
L-1

this isn't good

[The Phantom of the Opera]

stubborn moronic conviction

This is something that is well within the range of her scumgame, not a good reason to townread.

[The Phantom of the Opera]

@Phantom, *shrug* You're not really going to try and persuade me Shady's town and are ignoring Shady doubt casting who he can; there's nothing I can do on that front.

Gwen andGV are still much better votes.

It's not terrorism to tell you to stop being dumb. Stop playing emotionally and think.

Shady looking at targets that aren't popular is fine by me; I don't think any of his approaches are unreasonable and would be interested why you feel differently.

I doubt I'd vote either Gwen or GV today.

You're calling me dumb but not addressing my logic. You're claiming I'm playing emotionally when my push on you has been anything but that.

[The Phantom of the Opera]

Fine, we can work through Great Value then Shady. He's the name overlapping in our two pools.

I also find your willingness to budge to a second suspect pretty ridiculous. If your scumread on Shady was on strong as you're claiming it was, then you wouldn't budge just because a townread is resisting. If you truly felt you needed to reanalyze the game today, I don't think you'd just be pushing Shady instead of actually reanalyzing.

[Shady]

right, i'd already called those posts out, his case on dimitri was very forced which i found to be neutral because town can be susceptible to that as well

149/150 really are totally plausible as interactions and he barely mentions cell after that except to say he's "okay" with lynching him in 741 and 796 but doesn't explain why. that seems a bit like posturing.

Phantom is a vote I won't shy away from.

this is literally the first time gumby mentions phantom

and essentially he hasn't done shit since then and doesn't seem to be showing any sort of town

process

to his posts. in order:

1000 - fluff post of "buh why didnt dead cop me". adds nothing to the conversation.

1004 - filler comment on an alt slip

1008 - shitty useless NK speculation

1020 - role clarification filler

1021/1022 - continued fluffposting about dead to me's check while also attempting to subtly self-clear in a really crappy way

1052 - prod dodge

1091 - another prod dodge, 2 days later

1092 - really shitty pile-on vote on phantom, as far as i can tell the only reasoning is he is suspicious of quailford's claim?

1160 - says he isn't reading opera's posts closely due to the gimmick, and therefore his vote is staying (WHAT THE FUCK?). also says he "doesn't get" the wagon on dipsy when it had been made pretty fuckin clear at this point, this looks like a partner who doesn't want to bus

1225/1227 - disappears for days and hops to the dipsy wagon with a one-liner. no commentary on the read on dipsy besides this, when he'd been asking for clarification. stinks.

1242/1244 - tries to switch back to opera when phantom starts acting weird with dipsy at L-1, this is plausibly an attempt to kill the dipsy wagon

1315 - worthless unsupported metaread on titus

1438 - bluhh how have we not lynched someone while he's adding nothing to the discussion

1441 - this is him begrudgingly moving to phantom

1460 - and of course now he's back at it, still without an actual fucking case on phantom


by my mark, 1092, 1225, 1315 are his only real content posts in that timespan and he spends a shitton of time lurking, prod dodging, and only going after the largest wagons + his interactions with the dipsy/phantom wagons are super sketchy

VOTE: Gumby

[Shady]

stubborn moronic conviction

This is something that is well within the range of her scumgame, not a good reason to townread.

i'd totally lynch her anyway for the record

[Titus]

@Phantom, *shrug* You're not really going to try and persuade me Shady's town and are ignoring Shady doubt casting who he can; there's nothing I can do on that front.

Gwen andGV are still much better votes.

It's not terrorism to tell you to stop being dumb. Stop playing emotionally and think.

Shady looking at targets that aren't popular is fine by me; I don't think any of his approaches are unreasonable and would be interested why you feel differently.

I doubt I'd vote either Gwen or GV today.

You're calling me dumb but not addressing my logic. You're claiming I'm playing emotionally when my push on you has been anything but that.

If you had logic, I'd address it.

[Shady]

ALSO:

i think at this point there's 1-2 scum left, tops, and since only one town pr has died i think a massclaim at this point is probably protown

[Titus]

Shady basically is trying to stop a town block from forming. By lynching ly townreads he can reverse on me later. If he's forced to lynch me early, he wins because I won't lynch town.

Not lynching Phantom or Gumby. Both are town.

[Titus]

ALSO:

i think at this point there's 1-2 scum left, tops, and since only one town pr has died i think a massclaim at this point is probably protown

Cop or no cop massclaim only.

Then claim results and crumbs.

Cop existing would suggest Gumby alignment; that's why it's first.

Then if we need more we should PR or VT.