Mini 1739: Netherspite's SORM II [To Be Re-Rolled]

[Titus]

VOTE: Jeanne

Gut.

[Titus]

VOTE: Jeanne

Gut.

Titus doesn't do gut votes...

VOTE: Titus
Who are you and what did you do with the real titus?

Hi. You must be her buddy.

I'm a day cop. Unlimited shot.

[Titus]

Hi. You must be her buddy.

I'm a day cop. Unlimited shot.

Titus you are literally in my domain.

Who you think you are going to fool with this?

Haha. Transparency fools no one. Jeanne's scum.

[Titus]

Hi. You must be her buddy.

I'm a day cop. Unlimited shot.

Titus you are literally in my domain.

Who you think you are going to fool with this?

Haha. Transparency fools no one. Jeanne's scum.

Okay, so what do we make of the blind, dentist hating talk?

Not detected.

[Titus]

We should claim role group, at worst we get one confirmed town or 2 people with 1 scum definitely in them. I'll start.
Town power role.
Also why did you ignore me Bella
Also tth plz recruit me you are one of thr people in this game I actually like.
PEdit: im down for a quicklynch on ika or vedith.

Not opposed but should totally popcorn this starting with Jeanne.

[Titus]

I'd rather let everyone keep their cover for a night or two and prevent scum from optimizing their night actions. The three "random" slots and no flips are going to allow for enough reasonable doubt to where I'm not expecting a mass claim is going to limit the lynch pool in any helpful way.

In other words, by massclaiming we're giving scum the benefit of a lot of knowledge since they know most of the claims they see, barring a couple, are true and we're not getting much of a return. Process of elimination is going to be much more effective once there's a few flips.

You know it's not full claiming, just categories. Plus the scums should be front loaded. Flips just tell scum what they cannot claim.

[Titus]

Anyone else seeing titus as scum?

Cause I am really seeing titus as scum.

Why, cause I caught you? Why hasn't Jeanne posted reacting? Why are you interrupting that?

[Titus]

Tell me your thoughts on GrayFoxx FB. My side or yours.

Ika and Vedith are likely my side.

[Titus]

*pats* Repeat I'm scum more. I'm sure your buddies haven't arrived to wagon me yet.

Why did you avoid my concerns in 81?

[Titus]

@Random, Nope. We popcorn or not at all.

You just started running for third scumbuddy. Trying to get you and FB at the back I see.

[Titus]

It's intimidating Fire stating both wagons have his buddies on it.

@Random, Why would I scare you away from what I have been arguing for? Stretch harder.

[Titus]

Investigative.

Popcorn Jeanne.

[Titus]

Claim just category.

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You picked your buddy, interesting.

Random's up.

[Titus]

If everyone here has claimed honestly, 2/3 randoms are gone. It's unlikely here.

[Titus]

Town government, popcorn ika.

Ika claimed. Pick a scum please. Firebringer's good.

[Titus]

Carelessness =/= scummy. Good to pressure though.

[Titus]

That's three of three randoms.

[Titus]

Random claimed government. Thus third random.

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Not counting FB's joke
If FB won't seriously claim, Vedith should kill him.

[Titus]

@ika, Bella's conftown and should not give reads until massclaim is over. Bella has hammer.

[Titus]

Possible but remote.

Jeanne's scum here.

[Titus]

FB would claim that slot as that is where most are claiming. He's scum!

He's a jester claimer and should be shot. Claiming invest is duh for the course.

[Titus]

Lane TTH Ari and GreyFoxx left

[Titus]

Seriously, Titus needs a bullet.

Yeah I need a bullet. I called you and Jeanne out. Called a scum bullet.

[Titus]

What is titus doing that's making her scum? Or what did she do last game?

I don't know what game jeanne is referring to.
But Titus is tunneling hard, which usually means town her, except her claim sucks ass. Also how is Jeanne scum? I don't see that case at all.

Compare her play here to the first version. Total lack of paranoia. Her response is off too when I wagoned her.

[Titus]

Town bus driver

We were just claiming categories but this is easy enough to prove supposing no mass murderer.

[Titus]

Why do you think TTH claimed?
*eyes Ari*

[Titus]

Tth would never crumb government. Seems like mason leader at best to me. Yet it's too direct for them just teasing.

[Titus]

Teasing is best done directly. I've never seen a subtle tease. If TTH meant those as obvious crumbs, their position on claiming would be different as finding out who could be recruited would happen. TTH is big on PoE.

That being said TTH tends to be more cautious, so blatantly crumbing makes no sense.

Ari just go on your category.

[Titus]

Are you a lyncher Ari? If so, claim your target. There's nothing requiring the target to be town.

[Titus]

@TTH, Mass claim is very helpful. It's now acting as a protective role in many ways. There are very few good options for scum to kill or lynch.

Scum also loaded up in the investigative category. Either a) my two scumreads happen to be true investigators thus heavily loading random or b) they loaded up to lynch me.

B is highly problematic for the scums because after my flip, the chainsaw by Firebringer and Jeanne's utter passive behaviour will be obvious.

If we do lynch in this pool, we can force Ari to pick the ability of whoever we lynch if we lynch wrong (or b he's claiming survivor).

Jeanne, Fire, ika or Frozen (IIoA), one of Vedith/TTH.

Game solved.

[Titus]

Forgot random as possible scum. Derp.

Still everyone else is town.

[Titus]

You mean I analyzed the facts to fulfill my wincon. Yup.

Seriously, you going to do anything but OMGUS?

[Titus]

@TTH, Mass claim is very helpful. It's now acting as a protective role in many ways. There are very few good options for scum to kill or lynch.

Scum also loaded up in the investigative category. Either a) my two scumreads happen to be true investigators thus heavily loading random or b) they loaded up to lynch me.

B is highly problematic for the scums because after my flip, the chainsaw by Firebringer and Jeanne's utter passive behaviour will be obvious.

If we do lynch in this pool, we can force Ari to pick the ability of whoever we lynch if we lynch wrong (or b he's claiming survivor).

Jeanne, Fire, ika or Frozen (IIoA), one of Vedith/TTH, plus possible Random (edited by later post).

Game solved.

You haven't even heard PatientZero's claim yet and you're ready to declare the claim a romping success and the "game solved"?

Yup. With this many so called investigators, it's natural to look at all of them. Given we know Lane is a Sheriff most likely, the only way all the investigative can be town is if

One of TTH + Vedith
One of Frozen or ika
Random
PatientZero

Ari as NB.

That has to be the answer for all investigative to be truthful.

For two from Jeanne's PoV (meaning Titus scum), you'd get

Titus

TTH or Vedith
Frozen or ika
Random
Patient Zero

Ari as NB

Only one category can be false from her perspective, which should trigger analysis on her side. Nothing.

As much as she's feigning paranoia, my analysis is right. This doesn't even factor in likelihood.

PZ should claim here.

P.S. The only reason ika is possible is because he's not happy zoo day about massclaim here.

[Titus]

Forgot random as possible scum. Derp.

Still everyone else is town.

Why is PatientZero town to you?

Jeanne and FB are scum. That's the TLDR.

[Titus]

@Jeanne, So I trap all my buddies D1? *pats you*

We won the last time because massclaim was delayed. If we did massclaim D1, Runner claims Government and is hung out to dry later.

Godfather usually claims citizen here or Mason leader. Both Gov't.

[Titus]

That's right where Random is. Who big shock is also pushing me.

[Titus]

Then why don't you consider the possibility that I am town huh?!

That would require you to actually analyze or do something townie.

[Titus]

For someone who is town, you sure are hung on me being scum.

Can y'all see this for the slip it is?

Ty. Good night.

[Titus]

@Jeanne, Token what?

Do something other than yell Titus is scum in OMGUS.

[Titus]

Then try to find my "buddies". You're not going to just cry I am scum for suspecting you.

[Titus]

No. I did explain why. The why is because you two are scum.

[Titus]

Besides, TTH started suspecting you before me. Why don't you call him scum too, given that anyone who suspects you is scum?

Premise invalidated. Not everyone who suspects me is scum.
One of him or Vedith is scum.

[Titus]

Yeah huh....

VOTE: Jeanne11
Titus might be town. Maybe I am just stupid or something.

Not so fast, why is Jeanne scummy?

[Titus]

Jeanne's slot needs to do something other than buddy or complain. I get the frustration as town, but that's not ignoring possibilities. FB's analysis in his last post looks better. I was concerned he was pitting me against Jeanne.

Right now, any truthful investigator must take a random slot between the three of us.

UNVOTE:

[Titus]

@FB/Jeanne, Do you think maybe we can PoE by investigative results if we're all town? It's remote but scum would want a fast lynch on any of us (which I am surprised Jeanne wasn't voted) if we're all honest.

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I want PZ's claim but if we force TTH to kill Vedith and vice versa (with no lynch)

The Doctor protects Lane.
The bus driver protects the towniest of us three, swapping us with ika. Thus if Frozen is honest, scum risk killing ika.

We have our results.

Ari picks up the PM of any cop that flips if Amnes.

[Titus]

Bus Driver could also protect Bella.

[Titus]

Right.
Investigators don't investigate TTH or Vedith as they should be corpses.

[Titus]

@Firebringer I laugh at you.

Great,

I have played this setup style in games more than 1000 times.

You have played this? Last game?

No clue. But I am the person being laughed. Cool.

You and me too. Why so reluctant against me then knowing the game gets broke v mass claim?

[Titus]

Jeanne, you're capable of thought. Provide your own idea.

[Titus]

@FB, I'm not controlling actions.

You should put your idea out as well. Confirmed town doesn't mean the rest of us shut up.

If all of us are town FB, then we all are the three ransoms. Thus TTH or Vedith must be scum. If that's the case, they shoot each other. Veterans can't. Bodyguard will protect Bella. Jailor and Vig results in murder of scums.

[Titus]

@Titus I am not saying we should shut up, but you trying to control actions looks bad even if it makes sense. Do you not understand that?

Nope. Not controlling and expressing thoughts isn't scummy if those thoughts are derived from logical facts.

@ika, Why can't you engage my thoughts?

[Titus]

Shit forgot GreyFoxx, TTH Vedith and Grey should be a murder circle.

[Titus]

mod: FB unvoted me?

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Oh that's why I was confused with TTH's claim.

Bus Driver needs generic options in case of MM.

[Titus]

I had bus as protective in my head.

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@ika, why the fuck are you excluding me when you know I have played this setup for as long as FB?

Why can't I find your reads?

@Vedith, TTH.

[Titus]

Claim your category shos

[Titus]

First post. There's categories like invest protect etc.

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Vedith, I think you're town. Not visiting you. I'm visiting a scumread or an investigative.

Shos, announce your category. Stop stalling. You don't have to read the PMs to know your category.

[Titus]

Killings should kill each other. Pretty duh.

[Titus]

Shos is lane. Derp. :$ thought shos was Zero.

[Titus]

I am not going to die. That's not my job as an investigative.

We should no lynch. Killing should murder each other.

Wow, the same people who suspect me plan to lynch me tomorrow for not going along with their plan.

So, I die. Scums in control.
I live, scums mislynch me.

Yeah, don't think so. I'm going to find a scum tonight.

Shos ain't scum. No reason for scum to change that claim.

My plan rules. My plans work.

[Titus]

Possible but I have more respect for Shos than that.

Also didn't someone claim to see lane flip?

[Titus]

@TTH, Bella claimed shos is green and saw the flip. Bella is confirmed town. The fact you're making me out to be scum cuz I don't want to lynch town is Lol worthy.

VOTE: TTH

[Titus]

So you think Bella's lying about seeing one? Why would Bella do that as town?

[Titus]

Unvote

That shos wagon looks so scum ridden though.

Vote:Ari

Y'all can help shos.

[Titus]

VOTE: Ari

[Titus]

Dunno, but I don't think anyone wold willingly claim a scum role.

Dunno, but I don't think anyone wold willingly claim a scum role.

I mean the other two claims? Sherif and veteran ?

Sit down. Think who would play that terribly.

Then join me on Ari.

[Titus]

I'd rather not be as direct because I want the scums to have shos as Ari's counter wagon.

[Titus]

There was a final votecount showing

shos

's slot as lynched.
There was a flip

template

for few seconds.
There was

no

real flip posted in the thread.

Exactly what I suspected. If Netherspite did accidentally confirm shos' slot as town, he would have been forced to mod kill the slot.

Unvote

That shos wagon looks so scum ridden though.

Vote:Ari

Y'all can help shos.

Your choice is to lynch the claimed survivor over the man who's story doesn't add up on any front?

The way Anti caught you in the last iteration of this game was you "taking strained angles to defend people." I also saw that firsthand in that Making Friends and Enemies game we played a while back. That's exactly what I'm seeing here as well.

You know, you should reference the last time we played this setup.

Still your read sucks and if you're town, only scum are joining you. Particularly ika.

There's only one thing he really taught me. If he followed it, he'd vote Ari with me.

[Titus]

We lunch every day unless there's a claimed jailir

Force TTH and Vedith and shos to renounce jailor and I am fine with lynching today.

[Titus]

Basically I am fancy stating that none of you claim jailor.

[Titus]

Do you renounce jailor TTH? Yes or no?

P.S. I love the reversal here. No judge to save you TTH.

[Titus]

FB, talk to me about your reads. I don't want you on that Shos wagon. TTH, ika, PZ, Vedith, Random, Frozen, Ari. That's what I want the shos wagon to be.

[Titus]

I don't want you to vote shos. I want scums to vote Shos.

If we have no jailor, we should lynch.

[Titus]

I am not going to be happy if everyone lets Titus Johnnie Cochran her scumteam out of this.

Flattered but your AtE is just as bad as his was.

[Titus]

I actually just now realized that I got the list wrong.

Town Government: randomidget, Bellaphant
Town Investigative: Jeanne11, Titus, Firebringer
Town Protective: ika, Frozen Angel, GrayFoxxxx
Town Killing or Power: TellTaleHeart, Vedith, GrayFoxxxx, shos
Neutral Benign: Aristophanes, shos

This should be accurate.

There we go shos.

[Titus]

Please can we lynch Titus because they are pissing me off sooooooo much

Lynch my buddy first. Lols.

[Titus]

@ika, Nope. :-p You know I don't soft anything. I'm pretty direct.

Lots of bullshit detected.

[Titus]

You afraid to die if you lynch Shos ika?

[Titus]

You afraid to die if you lynch Shos ika?

no im not how come you are

Pretty obvious. So go ahead and lynch him. You think he's scum, scum can vote him.

I'll vote Ari.

[Titus]

What's the one thing you taught me about town play?

[Titus]

You should always be willing to die for your reads. You should always follow a plan even if it leads to death

No. That's what I taught you. What did you teach me?

[Titus]

Because I wouldn't be dying for reads, I would be dying to be stupid.

You taught me jester play is almost always town. Here, it could be jester town or really dumb remote scum. Shos deliberately recents a read when conftown thought they saw the flip, counters Vedith's vet claim, deliberately has made no effort to scumhunt means pretty transparent jester play. He's trying to get lynched.

If he's jester trying to get lynched, Ari cannot be survivor.

That's a conclusion I expected you to reach.

[Titus]

Titus what in his play suggest being a Jester? :/ Explain more please.

His play is so terrible that he's trying to get lynched. Upon seeing we were claiming, any competent player would check to see if their slot claimed. Given the mayor's mistake, shos keeps his mouth shut and coasts as scum. Instead, he troll suggests he's veteran (deterring investigations that would reveal him as jester) and agent so that he'd look really scummy.

Given I think the shos wagon is scum driven, I was thrilled by that. I told FB to unvote because I didn't want him on the wagon. I want scumreads on the shos wagon.

I'm surprised ika never saw this for what it was.

I am being tossed as an alternate for trying to get only scum killed or being annoying. Notice how they can't argue I'm scum.

They stretch to argue I'm scumbuddies with a jester.

[Titus]

Stop lying Titus. There are two neutral evil/benigns

I forgot that. I was used to guaranteed one neutral evil and one neutral benign locked.

UNVOTE: Ari

[Titus]

Yeah my offer to be mod killed didn't get accepted so maybe I saw nothing. O.o tth is prolly right about this. I'm wondering voting titus - my vote is multiple so I want a vc

If you saw accurately, shos would be mid killed, not you.

[Titus]

Titus. You aren't infallible. Stop acting like you are.

I just admitted my mistake earlier. There's a difference between being smart and being right.

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4 investigatives again. shos claim is now more likely genuine about lane lying.

I don't know if he lied as well , but know its obvious lane did so.

Titus I can't follow your reasoning. TRY TO BE BETTER , this is the last warning.

And A wall post will be generated tomorrow after my exam.

Where do you lose it?

Shos is obvious jester.

[Titus]

Where do you lose it?

Shos is obvious jester.

Then it's best to lynch you...

For making sure my townreads don't lynch a jester? Pah.

[Titus]

Yeah, I am back to thinking Jeanne is scum here.

Zero thought at all on who could be scum. Lurking and no comments on anything. She just AtEs when pressured.

Jeanne, who do you think is scum?

[Titus]

VOTE: Jeanne

@TTH, Shos isn't my client.

I detect bullshit from TTH.

[Titus]

titus is softing autitor now nice to know

Nope. Nice.

[Titus]

go with whoever bella choose as I think he has no reason to betray the town

She is confirmed town, but that doesn't mean that she can't be mis guided.

This so much. Frozen just did massive IIoA.

The investigatives should not circle investigate as scum can eliminate investigatives based on info they want but I like FB's idea. So we control it.

[Titus]

Town Sheriff me or Jeanne
Lookout target FB or spiffeh
Detective target me or Spiffeh
Investigator FB or Jeanne

This way, scum can't determine who will be investigated and block the investigator they want.

[Titus]

The names can be changed, but the idea is there's always two options. If a player appears in their own category, they still can investigate. Scum can't know who is tracking them. We get clears on investigators.

[Titus]

Can I know the meaning of the word you said? IIoA?

Information over Analysis. You did little bit recap.

[Titus]

Riiiiiight. I'm more harmful, claiming scum, blahblah blah garbage.

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oh btw shos cant be jester cus if that was true that mean ari is lying and i doubt that

Nah, this setup has two neut begins possible. I made the same memory mistake, which was why I voted Ari.

[Titus]

Town Sheriff me or Jeanne
Lookout target FB or spiffeh
Detective target me or Spiffeh
Investigator FB or Jeanne

This way, scum can't determine who will be investigated and block the investigator they want.

I have a few problems with this plan, but I hope someone else points them out.

You can say them or change the names.

[Titus]

If we go with your plan FB scum know who they must block to shield themselves, by going with role instead, scum can't tell who they must block and must make particular visits to preserve fake claims.

[Titus]

Role blocking investigates also happens by murdering them. Lols.

FB if you state that I must investigate Jeanne, scum could murder or roleblock me thus preventing my action.

So my bad on word choice there. Should have said prevent.

[Titus]

Shos vote Jeanne with me. We'll Lynch you later for your wincon.

[Titus]

Role blocking investigates also happens by murdering them. Lols.

FB if you state that I must investigate Jeanne, scum could murder or roleblock me thus preventing my action.

So my bad on word choice there. Should have said prevent.

They could also do that without you stating you plan to check Jeanne.
Also if they murder you over any other investigative claim that should be looked into, the fact you claim to check jeanne all the more.

Why would they murder me when they want to mislynch me?

I said Sheriff should check Jeanne or me. I never said my role.

The idea is if an invest checks someone other than the pairing its scum. Invest has a choice, unless they are in their pairing.

Each slot appears twice so scum cannot know if they are getting investigated.

Zero late fakes.

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Firebringer why did you unvote Jeanne after her blatant AtE-charged replacement request?

Because my emotions were clouding my judgement

Why isn't your vote back there then?

[Titus]

I'm absolutely appalled that Titus was town.

Cuz I caught you as scum and wanted to force you to die?

Or because I thought the mod confirmed Shos as not group scum?

P.S. The wagon on Shos was scum driven.

[Titus]

You singlehandedly saved the Mafia Godfather from a slam dunk lynch.

You should be embarrassed about your play here.

No. In any setup with a jester, there is no slam dunk lynch.

This setup is about forcing scum to be stupid just as much as it is to lynch right Day 1.

[Titus]

Obvious to you given you knew you had a neutral evil slot maaayyybe.

Just because you thought something and was right doesn't mean it was obvious.

Tbh, I was transparently town when I told Fire to unvote.

[Titus]

Shos happened to be scum, pushed by scum. When I see a scum pushed wagon, I am fully right to say hey let's think about it.

Will it be wrong sometimes? Sure. That combined with conftown thinking she saw a town flip from shos made it a horrible vote.

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The fact that you were a town-driven counterwagon to fake claiming scum should be sufficient testament to how bad your arguments were, Titus.

Nope.

ETL and Ythan wagoned me like babies in another game because I caught scum and they thought less of me.

Plus scum did plenty of doubt casting me.

[Titus]

Wouldn't have known that.

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I think TItus played well, she has a point that the wagon was driven by scum, but really it was Neutral Scum so its a bit different.

she didnt. she should knot that if there is a jester possiblity you run it though cus most times scum will also be on the wagon. i can esily link the old game where jester screwed over scum as well its not good at all

im just going to repaet it:

when you beocme a counterwagon to scum you should relaize that you are doing something wrong

The only thing I did wrong was disagree with people.

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like when you have sevral people stating "this is not right" and they show you why its not right, it no longer disagreeing, its a matter of proven facts that what you are staign is not right

Several people can want to mislynch town and can be wrong. That's proven by a wagon on me in the first place. Because several scumfucks say shos isn't a jester doesn't make it proven.

[Titus]

When town follows my optimal play, we win 90% percent. I cannot remember the last time town followed my optimal play for night actions and we lost.

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I mean i can go back to monkeys game and how you wanted to lynch PV cus you didnt belive it even when thor showed evidence that he was town

I was wrong there but PV was right from his perspective.

[Titus]

Also rob and other easily disproved you in C9++ alos on how your idea fails

No. They proved town is overly attached to PRs.

[Titus]

Also rob and other easily disproved you in C9++ alos on how your idea fails

No. They proved town is overly attached to PRs.

Titus you never even refuted his idea and i can do the same. its a roadmap for PR killing

even if all PR gots confirmed what happens when they all die? it doesnt work

Scums are dead.

[Titus]

It's literally why mass claim is better in this setup too or in playing with elements. All the AME.

[Titus]

Late massclaim is writing the scum a check. Hence why it should be done day 1 or when the setup is impossible to hide in.

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If it guarantees a town win, yup.

Did the same thing in Playing with Elements as the Town Tracker.

[Titus]

If it guarantees a town win, yup.

Did the same thing in Playing with Elements as the Town Tracker.

but it doesnt, you should realize that by now

When it doesn't, I don't push it.

[Titus]

If it guarantees a town win, yup.

Did the same thing in Playing with Elements as the Town Tracker.

but it doesnt, you should realize that by now

When it doesn't, I don't push it.

yet you still do?

Every plan I push as town has worked lately.

[Titus]

Rob's game I wasn't followed. Scum won by fake claiming masons, which would have been prevented by D1 massclaim.

[Titus]

I solved a lot of games. You just don't respect it.