NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

[Grib]

VOTE: Shinobi

You're probably guilty of something.

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VOTE: Dwlee99
Tiny bit of seriousness but mostly RVS

I'm interested in hearing the serious part.

[Grib]

What about it strikes you as tryhard?

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Man, I thought MarioManiac sounded off, and then he goes and votes for the mod.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MarioManiac4

[Grib]

Let's see. My main man MarioManiac.

He sounds self-conscious about making an actual serious vote on page one. Cites 'all caps' as the reasoning for his semi-serious vote, disregarding the fact that Shrio also made an all caps RVS vote. He fluffs a bit and joke-votes the mod, something I find to be a very, very light scumtell, but in addition to the previous points doesn't really help him.

[Grib]

LOL at Grib
You're acting like not being 100% serious is a scumtell.
It's not though.

Sure, but I think it's worth poking at you over.

[Grib]

Let's see. My main man MarioManiac.

He sounds self-conscious about making an actual serious vote on page one. Cites 'all caps' as the reasoning for his semi-serious vote, disregarding the fact that Shrio also made an all caps RVS vote. He fluffs a bit and joke-votes the mod, something I find to be a very, very light scumtell, but in addition to the previous points doesn't really help him.

1. I said it was mostly RVS but we can't go in the circle forever. We needed some way to get out.
2. I know Shiro has history with Fire and it goes with Shiro's character.
3. And why is it, exactly?

Pedit: kk

There's nothing inherently scummy about it. It's just something I've seen scum do a lot in RVS, for whatever reason. Probably because it feels like a safe joke vote.

You're eager to get out of RVS on page one. Okay. Now what?

[Grib]

Looks like he vanished for a bit. Vote is staying.

Hi Shinobi. How goes it?

[Grib]

That's good to hear.

I'm well, and glad this game is finally starting. I've been craving a NY MS game for some reason.

[Grib]

Have to say, though, not a fan of town's flavor being yellow, of all colors.

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Yes. Yes it has.

Frozen Angel: what do you think of MarioManiac so far? And anyone else of note.

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Shiro: hi. Do me a favor? Ask Frozen Angels three questions that'll help you get a read on her.

[Grib]

I am not the one to get reads from asking early questions

It's actually to help me get a read on you.

But if you'd rather do your own thing, that's cool, too.

[Grib]

Cool, Firebringer's town.

Frozen Angel: are you going to keep your vote on Elyse?

[Grib]

@Grib why exactly shiro? we never played together , actually we did (but she replaced in the lylo - so its not counted ... )

pedit : hmmm , I'm happy with Elyse or Mario. we already have 2 votes on Mario , so I like my votes place for now

@Mario : half of your posts where serious . then a mod vote ... whats so flawed?

Because she was just another person who happened to be here and I wanted to try and get a read on.

That's fine.

[Grib]

MarioManiac: your claim of wanting to get out of RVS and then voting the mod doesn't really mesh. And now all you're doing is defending yourself instead of scumhunting.

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well nice ! finally somebody asked

MarioManiac deserve to be pushed. I think he voted for mod just to say "hey! I wasn't sirious back there when I said my vote is half sirious!" or something like that ... which I don't like.

you talk to much (well - I'll try sorting you out later)

Elyse was to fast to accept the case against Mario so I think we need to look an eye on her.

and I just don't like when people start the game with this sentence : "Hello ! I'm town! " - It get me a very bad feeling ...

Notsicence checked and didn't voted.

and I'm desperately waiting to see my L... Rc

I don't like this post either.
Too many suspects for faulty reasons - reeks of scum trying to spread doubt.

Add this one to my current list.

I did a quick skim of her scumgame. My impression is that she's more serious as scum.

Take a quick look and let me know what you think?

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Frozen Angel: you're suspecting Elyse, but you're also voting with her on MarioManiac. How do you feel about that?

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It's just the one thing. I think it's the only completed game of hers, I'll look again in a sec.

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You are both probably town.

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You are both probably town.

What do you think of Heat?

I'm largely indifferent.

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Hm.

I'm kind of okay with Dwlee for openly OMGUS'ing, but his position on the wagon makes me ehhhh.

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MarioManiac4 (5): Grib, Elyse, FrozenAngel, Aj The Epic, Dwlee99
pistachi0n (2): Heat, Zymf
Titus (1): Davsto
Firebringer (1): Shiro
Shiro (1): pistachi0n
Dwlee99 (1): MarioManiac4
Davsto (1): Titus
Heat (1): Shinobi

There miiight be scum in AJ/Dwlee. Maybe.

Do either of you two have any other reads?

[Grib]

Yeah. Right after AJ voted.

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Yup, 2 minutes between me AJ voting and me wanting to OMGUS, totally me bandwagoning with AJ.

What made you decide to vote?

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Hey AJ, any other thoughts on the game besides MarioManiac?

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I don't scumhunt whatsoever on day 1 of large games.

Lef me arone.

Why not?

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Because taking a look at NY 187, it looks like you actually do scumhunt a bit.

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Mm, Espeonage is going to be one of those 'edgy' players, then.

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That's nice, Firebringer.

Plan on doing anything relevant soon?

[Grib]

RadiantCowbells is off the table, as per Espeonage's request. Plus, I'm kind of okay with him. Davsto has one post and I'm not inclined to lynch him for it.

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Finished page four. Mario would be scum for what he did, EXCEPT THIS IS A NORMAL GAME and I am damn sure mario knows this. WHich means it's not subversive it's jovial. Mentality is absent, wagon is bad.

Do you think his reactions to pressure come from a town mindset?

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His 'serious' vote was bogus. He didn't care about pushing the game past RVS, and it felt like he just wanted towncred for being the first one to make a serious vote. He defended himself a lot, did no scumhunting, and pretty much vanished after I asked him what he wanted to do now that RVS had ended. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's still sitting on his mod vote.

That doesn't come across as town to me.

[Grib]

Could you link the game?

'Mario was mislynched once, therefore he probably isn't scum' doesn't work by itself.

[Grib]

'Mario was mislynched once, therefore he probably isn't scum' doesn't work by itself.

I mean it's more "Mario was lynched in a style awfully similar to this and this doesn't remind me of his scumgame" but sure, simplify it so you can make it look bad.

I'm not, that's literally how it comes across.

[Grib]

I have an issue with this. You openly consider me scum and then softball some 'question' at me to show your belief as such. There's literally zero conviction behind your read. Not only that, this question is pretty worthless given that the content so far had MAINLY been RVS and Mario's issues.

Bad question, low motivation in it given his position on me.

I considered the possibility that you're scum because I'm relatively okay with everyone else on the wagon. Out of six people, I'm guessing there's bound to be one scum in there and decided to poke you.

I think it's a fine question, considering there were definitely other things to talk about in those three pages (Shinobi and Fallen Angel were posting a lot).

There's no conviction because I don't have a read on you. I looked at the wagon, thought you could possibly be the one scum on the wagon, and asked you a question. Which you mostly ignored in favor of attacking me, and it's a little perplexing. I'll elaborate on this below.

Grib can be scum. These questions are an active attempt to sound engaged but in reality nothing more than a half-assed attempt to shift the workload to someone else.

Okay, you're leaning scum on me. That's fine. But you're also voting with me. Right now. Your vote is currently on a wagon I am pushing. Me, someone you probably think could be scum. Do you think my push is scum motivated? If yes, why are you still voting with me? If not, why are you scumpainting me?

w/r/t me 'attempting to shit the workload': are you going to argue that trying to encourage Firebringer to post actual content is a bad thing? Firebringer made a quip at me that I wish he hadn't for OOG reasons, and I responded in turn by asking him to post more content and less fluff. Do you think his posts are satisfactory in scumhunting and helping town win?

Overall, I feel the focus of your post is on attacking me rather than trying to figure me (or anyone else, really) out. Please explain.

[Grib]

Grib want to be friends?

I'll think about it.

[Grib]

Also, I'm obviously not 100% sold on MarioManiac being scum. But I can't change my mind if he doesn't do anything to change it. His initial responses were bad and he hasn't posted since the wagon on him formed.

For the moment, the pressure stays.

[Grib]

Keep going.

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Okay. Why?

I'd probably lean more towards, hm. Elyse over Dwlee?

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At any rate, they both have things I like and dislike about them.

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Okay, Mario. How much time do you need?

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Quick post for now.

At any rate, they both have things I like and dislike about them.

Such as...

I'll answer this later.

Hi Titus. Why are your posts so clipped?

[Grib]

Short.

Blunt.

Quick.

Like this.

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AJ: please respond to 205 when you get the chance.

I am going to do VCA when I get back.

Is this still going to happen?

At any rate, they both have things I like and dislike about them.

Such as...

You had some posts that came off as buddying, you're telling people to vote for MarioManiac but haven't really given any reasons besides his semi-serious RVS vote and disappearance, and you seem a little self-conscious of how you're perceived. You're pressuring Frozen Angel a lot, maybe vote for her? Why leave her alone if you think she's BS'ing?

I liked that you were an early vote on his wagon and have stuck with it, though. That at least establishes in my mind that you two probably aren't knowingly aligned.

I kinda both liked and didn't like Dwlee's OMGUS. He posts too much fluff. Demands explanations for people feeling weird about him, even though he hasn't explained much of what he's thinking about the game. Feels like he's annoyed at being focused on. But I really liked the parallels he tried to draw between this game and his past scumgames, just feels like a thought process that would come from town. Still, the minimal content is bothering me.

fake edit: oh, a Dwlee vote. Hm.

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Dwlee, could I bother you for your reads?

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@AJ

That's an incredibly lazy buzzword. Do you have anything to back it up?

Besides, wine aside, I'm not in the habit of purposefully crippling my team Day 1 for towncred. I don't have a hard time getting townread on MS regardless of my alignment (save for a couple of scumgames I borked), so it wouldn't be giving me any particular advantage.

Fair enough on Firebringer.

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Hm.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Davsto

I don't like his vote, and I want to see how these wagons pan out against each other.

[Grib]

@grib, why don't you make me feel warm and fuzzy?

@shiro, your desired flavor? Gingerbread?

You act like you've never played with me on MS before.

That's an incredibly lazy buzzword.

Day 1 soft bussing is a common practise though isn't it ?


@Titus
Whatever lady Titus wishes to give : O

I pushed the wagon to six votes relatively quickly. That's more than half needed to lynch. I don't consider that soft.

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Elyse: well, I said I both liked and didn't like some things about you, so. Shrug.

I'm not convinced by your reasons for voting RadiantCowbells. There are worse ISOs in this game, the Firebringer vote was probably a joke, and his vote on Titus makes more sense coming from town, I think.

I don't like his vote

I hate when people go "I don't like X" but don't, you know, give a reason why. Do you have a reason why?

Because RadiantCowbells is probably town. Her vote on Titus would be weird from a scum perspective -- Titus tunnels, and to invite a Titus tunnel is something I'd expect scum to avoid. And boasting about being undefeated scum also feels like something town would do, because. They don't care about looking bad for bragging about how great they are at being scum (as that could prompt other people to doubt their townread on them in this game).

Hm.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Davsto

I don't like his vote, and I want to see how these wagons pan out against each other.

Why did no one join me?

My vote stands.

Because you lack conviction.

[Grib]

Ugh, I derped on pronouns. Ignore.

[Grib]

Because RadiantCowbells is probably town.

And... town never vote town?

Let's see if that's the case here!

What do you think of my proposed town perspective for his vote on Titus in comparison with your reasoning? Which is more likely?

[Grib]

Because RadiantCowbells is probably town.

And... town never vote town?

-townpoints for only responding to this part, btw.

[Grib]

Because RadiantCowbells is probably town.

And... town never vote town?

Let's see if that's the case here!

What do you think of my proposed town perspective for his vote on Titus in comparison with your reasoning? Which is more likely?

Cowbells isn't scared of a Titus tunnel on him. He has faced a full-on Titus tunnel before and come out unscathed (and his replacement proceeded to win the game for our scumteam btw).

And the second part?

[Grib]

Minus townpoints for only responding to the part that explained why you thought I was scum - the answer to the question I asked btw - rather than the bit explaining why RadiantCowbells is town. Riiiiight.

Responding to the part that explained why I thought RadiantCowbells might be town was relevant, no? I was interested in discussing the mindset behind the vote, not whether or not you yourself were scum.

RadiantCowbells always brags about their play. It's hardly alignment indicative.

Alright, let's try this: do you already think he's scum, or are you trying to figure him out?

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Minus townpoints for only responding to the part that explained why you thought I was scum - the answer to the question I asked btw - rather than the bit explaining why RadiantCowbells is town. Riiiiight.

Responding to the part that explained why I thought RadiantCowbells might be town was relevant, no? I was interested in discussing the mindset behind the vote, not whether or not you yourself were scum.

It wasn't really relevant to me. I'd already explained my vote, and was wondering why you considered my vote to be bad, so I asked. You answered by saying you thought RC was town. While you proceeded to explain why you thought RC was town, again, that was irrelevant to me; it wasn't the question I asked.

RadiantCowbells always brags about their play. It's hardly alignment indicative.

Alright, let's try this: do you already think he's scum, or are you trying to figure him out?

I am trying to figure it out but as you can see I often take a rather backseat approach to scumhunting; rather than hugely talking to them about literally everything, I'll tend to watch them but not make a huge deal out of it, since people tend to react differently when they know they're under interrogation than if they think they're just interacting normally. Plus, interaction really isn't my forte, and I find me doubting myself and getting paranoid a lot of the time (the amount of times that I have a first feeling that I follow a bit but then I doubt myself and search elsewhere only to find my first feeling was right is starting to get irritating).

The reason I thought the vote was bad (and that you might be scum) is because I wasn't seeing how you thought his vote on Titus could come from a scum perspective.

It's one thing to face off against Titus; it's another to provoke her into doing so. Was that the case in your example?

Also,

Davsto (4): Titus, Shiro, Grib, Frozen Angel

What do you think of your wagon?

[Grib]

I actually think Dwlee is town? Not at all a fan of any of the people voting for him.

[Grib]

Eh, these wagons reek of v/v.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pistachi0n

Hi. You might be scum, you might now be. I'd like to see more content from you to determine this.

[Grib]

Frozen Angel is like, 85% town.

Moving on.

[Grib]

Cool, Titus is town, too.

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Also, v/v => town/town.

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Cool, Titus is town, too.

Why

She's pushing things that don't make sense.

No, we're lynching Heat.

Do you have any other issues with Heat besides what you stated in your first post, or is it just because he hasn't done anything since to make you townread him?

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Grib, do you have any feelings one way or the other towards the rest of the content addressing Heat between then and now?

Sorry, I only looked through Shinobi's ISO to see if he had brought up any other points.

It looks like there aren't that many, aside from yours. Good points on the waffling. I personally don't like him mentioning that FA was towny and pistachi0n screamed scum to him, but he didn't feel the need to move his vote.

I'll see how this unfolds for the time being.

[Grib]

In the interest of cutting through all this fluff,

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Heat

I can get behind this. Plus, I like the people voting for him. Except for AJ, kinda, but nobody's perfect.

[Grib]

Seriously, guys, all the off-topic posting just makes the thread bigger and more difficult to read.

Fluff all you want, but please also post relevant content.

[Grib]

My towncircle consists of

Shinobi
Frozen Angel
Firebringer
RadiantCowbells
Titus
Dwlee99
Elyse

roughly in that order.

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@Shiro

I agree that his waffling his bad, and as I said, I like the people voting for him.

Zymf should post more, yes.

I'm iffy on you. Too much fluff, hard for me to get a read. I have you marked down as 'never scum with Titus ever ever', and that's about it.

I'm not...horribly opposed to adding you to the towncircle, actually. Hm.

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So. The Dwlee wagon.

Heat (5): Shinobi, RadiantCowbells, Elyse, Aj The Epic, Grib
Dwlee99 (4): MarioManiac4, Zymf, pistachi0n, pignash
Davsto (3): Titus, Shiro, Firebringer
pistachi0n (1): Dwlee99
Frozen Angel (1): Heat
Grib (1): Espeonage

Abstaining (3): notscience, Frozen Angel, Davsto

It's made up of Mario (still think he's scummy), Zymf (lurking/inactive), pistachi0n (minimal posts/content), and pignash (sheeping MarioManiac).

Actually, I think all three of these guys are either sheeping or defending MarioManiac? Which. Should be interesting to look into if Mario is scum.

I mean I like his vote, but is Grib rubbing anyone else way the wrong way alignment wise?

Seems to be trying way too hard to come across as a good lil townie.

Not the first time I've been called a tryhard. It's better than posting a ton of fluff.

[Grib]

I mean I like his vote, but is Grib rubbing anyone else way the wrong way alignment wise?

Seems to be trying way too hard to come across as a good lil townie.

Nope that's Dave and Heat.

Grib would have more bouncing clouds.

Can I have a bouncing cloud Grib?

No. That's for DLP.

[Grib]

Yea I had the same feeling especially early on but I wouldn't touch him day one unless my life depended on it

It's time like these I remember that Espeonage has been voting me all game with like, zero results.

[Grib]

I'm fairly confident the scumteam doesn't believe they can get me lynched toDay without at least half of them pushing it and getting ripped to shreds when I flip town.

I welcome them to try, though!

Titus, I don't feel people are scrambling to counter Davsto. The wagon just feels...boring. It didn't take off because there really isn't a lot to it.

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I'm fairly confident the scumteam doesn't believe they can get me lynched toDay without at least half of them pushing it and getting ripped to shreds when I flip town.

I welcome them to try, though!

Titus, I don't feel people are scrambling to counter Davsto. The wagon just feels...boring. It didn't take off because there really isn't a lot to it.

These kind of posts have 0 town motivation.

My pinky finger has more town motivation than you.

I'm allowed to have one boasty post.

[Grib]

Deflecting to lurkers is not proactive.

[Grib]

i am drunk and have no sdesire to be useful right now

see you all at some point in the future

[Grib]

titus, i AM tht etownblock

[Grib]

oops, not sober yet

still towon tbougy

[Grib]

I'll never understand what makes drunk people inclined to go on MS

to be fair i'm posting in all of my games because i like sharing things

also, i'm more inclined to belive titus make sless sense as town than as scu;m

therefore, shes' town here

[Grib]

eh, i lean omre town than not

i'm conflicted on her

[Grib]

like

she's been on almost every major bandwagon

that's something scum probably woou'dnt do?

[Grib]

like

she's been on almost every major bandwagon

that's something scum probably woou'dnt do?

And if my theory is right that scum are shopping not Dave wagon?

the davsto wagon barely existed

wheer are scums hopping?

[Grib]

liike

it didn't grow large enough for there to really be opposition against it

it was just a thing that happened but no trelaly

[Grib]

where specifically, titus?

[Grib]

not all of the wagons are overrun by scum you know

there's like, four of them, maybe less, third parties notwithsatanidng

[Grib]

For a more legit answer, I need more time.

okay, that's fine

[Grib]

Cool, Dwlee is town.

I might switch my vote to pistachi0n. I'll sleep on it.

[Grib]

Skimmed, I'm happy with the AJ wagon.

Lemme count votes real quick.

[Grib]

Uh. I fell asleep.

Hm.

Mario went back to lurking. Whee.

Dwlee pointed this out but there is an issue with this post. You call it TvS with no reason for your suspicion. You give no reasons either way that Dwlee or Pistachio could be scum. Most importantly, you never pointed who was town in this situation, but just decided that one of the two was scum. Free lynches?

This is a scum post and

should be regarded as a scum claim.

FA is playing both sides of the fence with no reason for either. Take a good look at the iso and find me reasons for your town read on her, because between fluff posts and hardcore fence sitting and some arguable buddying, there's an admitted lack of town play here.

VOTE: FrozenAngel

No it shouldn't.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aj The Epic

Have a thing.
I will not lynch: Shinobi, Frozen Angel, Firebringer, RadiantCowbells, Titus, Dwlee
I would rather not lynch: Davsto, Elyse, Shiro
I don't mind lynching: Zymf, Drixx, pignash, pistachi0n
I want to lynch: Espeonage, Heat, MarioManiac, Aj

[Grib]

The townbblock is the most important thing imo.

Drixx needs to talk to me imo. I know he's active elsewhere and familiar with my town game at it's best.

Why is Shinobi in your wouldn't lynch pile Grib? I got no interest in him D1 but not so sure he's town.

He should probably be lower down on the list, but eh. I had good feels about him earlier in the game when he looked like he was trying to parse Frozen Angel's posts. And he kept his vote on Heat all Day, and Heat's probably scum (but that's something that'll need to be looked at if Heat ever flips town).

[Grib]

Uh. I fell asleep.

Hm.

Mario went back to lurking. Whee.

Dwlee pointed this out but there is an issue with this post. You call it TvS with no reason for your suspicion. You give no reasons either way that Dwlee or Pistachio could be scum. Most importantly, you never pointed who was town in this situation, but just decided that one of the two was scum. Free lynches?

This is a scum post and

should be regarded as a scum claim.

FA is playing both sides of the fence with no reason for either. Take a good look at the iso and find me reasons for your town read on her, because between fluff posts and hardcore fence sitting and some arguable buddying, there's an admitted lack of town play here.

VOTE: FrozenAngel

No it shouldn't.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aj The Epic

Have a thing.
I will not lynch: Shinobi, Frozen Angel, Firebringer, RadiantCowbells, Titus, Dwlee
I would rather not lynch: Davsto, Elyse, Shiro
I don't mind lynching: Zymf, Drixx, pignash, pistachi0n
I want to lynch: Espeonage, Heat, MarioManiac, Aj

This is a weak post. Everyone you 'wouldn't mind' lynching is a lurker. You take only the easiest routes on any of your reads and echo exactly what Titus has for reads for your 'will not lynch'. There's no independent thought here.

Well, yeah. They're lurkers. Aka they are useless when it comes to helping town win. Of course I wouldn't mind killing them.

Are you going to try and lynch me or not? Do you find it weird that despite a couple people voicing suspicions of me, I have come under virtually no pressure? Does that tell you anything about my alignment, or the alignments of the people scumreading me?

[Grib]

I don't think scum would volunteer to be replaced and then make a really horribad vote like that. It just invites more pressure/suspicion for the person that replaces them.

Very

light townread on Zymf's slot for that.

Elyse, you so, so rolled scum this game.

VOTE: Elyse

No I didn't.

See how fun it is to say things with no reasoning?

But you did, though!

Why are you lying to me. It's really not nice to lie.

I wouldn't lie to you, RC.

I'm serious. Yes I've been off a lil bit this game as of late but I'm actually not scum.

You wouldn't lie to me.

So you're saying that if you were scum this game, right now, you would admit that you're scum and vote yourself?

Yes

ok.

I'm a sucker for ate.

VOTE: Aj

What was the point of this?

[Grib]

Zymf's post was scummy as fuck.

And?

[Grib]

I'm scumreading him.

Are you going to do anything about it?

[Grib]

We should lynch Aj toDay.

[Grib]

Lining up lynches, etc.

Seriously his ISO is terrible. I'm not moving my vote.

Why are you trying to restart the Heat wagon after everyone abandoned it?

[Grib]

How about a real answer.

[Grib]

I can be swayed into voting him I guess.
I remember asking someone for a case and they basically just said "because they're voting this person."

Is there actual reasoning behind that wagon or what?

- he voted with a scumread and cited 'bussing' as the basis for his reasoning with no other evidence
- he had a bad hop onto Frozen Angel and has been sitting on that nowhere vote for a while
- has been scumreading me the entire game but has never pushed for my lynch, he just bats at one of my posts every now and then
- he's an unknown entity on a couple major wagons (per my reads), and his positions on them are both horrible:

MarioManiac4 (6): Grib, Elyse, Frozen Angel, Aj The Epic, Dwlee99, RadiantCowbells

Heat (6): Shinobi, RadiantCowbells, Elyse, Aj The Epic, Grib, Frozen Angel

I have townleans on everyone voting except him.

[Grib]

I feel like this scumteam is afraid of running anyone up, which means they're probably all spread out evenly-ish.

Also I have no idea where people are getting the multiball idea from.

[Grib]

I'm gonna go see what a MarioManiac/Aj/Heat team looks like.

Standby.

[Grib]

How about a real answer.

I think it's the best lynch for today. He's the scummiest person in the game.

Okay.

Then why did you move from him?

[Grib]

(keeping track of votals is not alignment-indicative for me, so copy+pasting them should be okay)

Spoiler:

Votecount #1 (p. 1-4)

MarioManiac4

(5): Grib, Elyse, Frozen Angel,

Aj The Epic

, Dwlee99
Davsto (2): Titus, Firebringer
pistachi0n (2):

Heat

, Zymf
Titus (1): Davsto
Firebringer (1): Shiro
Shiro (1): pistachi0n
Dwlee99 (1):

MarioManiac4

Heat

(1): Shinobi

Abstaining (4): Espeonage, notscience, pignash, RadiantCowbells

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #2 (p. 5-8)

MarioManiac4

(5): Grib, Elyse, Frozen Angel,

Aj The Epic

, Dwlee99
pistachi0n (2):

Heat

, Zymf
Firebringer (2): Shiro, RadiantCowbells

Heat

(1): Shinobi
Davsto (1): Titus
Shiro (1): pistachi0n
Dwlee99 (1):

MarioManiac4

RadiantCowbells (1): Firebringer
Grib (1): Espeonage

Abstaining (3): notscience, pignash, Davsto

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #3 (p. 9-12)

MarioManiac4

(5): Grib, Elyse, Frozen Angel,

Aj The Epic

, Dwlee99
pistachi0n (2):

Heat

, Zymf

Heat

(1): Shinobi
Davsto (1): Titus
Shiro (1): pistachi0n
Dwlee99 (1):

MarioManiac4

RadiantCowbells (1): Firebringer
Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): RadiantCowbells

Abstaining (4): notscience, pignash, Davsto, Shiro

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #4 (p. 13-16)

RadiantCowbells (3): Firebringer, Davsto, Elyse
Dwlee99 (3):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n
Davsto (3): Titus, Shiro, Grib

MarioManiac4

(2): Frozen Angel,

Aj The Epic

Frozen Angel (1):

Heat

Heat

(1): Shinobi
Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): RadiantCowbells
pistachi0n (1): Dwlee99

Abstaining (2): notscience, pignash

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #5 (p. 17-20)

Dwlee99 (4):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n, pignash
RadiantCowbells (3): Firebringer, Davsto, Elyse
Davsto (2): Titus, Shiro
pistachi0n (2): Dwlee99, Grib

MarioManiac4

(1):

Aj The Epic

Frozen Angel (1):

Heat

Heat

(1): Shinobi
Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): RadiantCowbells

Abstaining (2): notscience, Frozen Angel

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #6 (p. 21-24)

Heat

(4): Shinobi, RadiantCowbells, Elyse,

Aj The Epic

Dwlee99 (4):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n, pignash
Davsto (3): Titus, Shiro, Firebringer
pistachi0n (2): Dwlee99, Grib
Frozen Angel (1):

Heat

Grib (1): Espeonage

Abstaining (3): notscience, Frozen Angel, Davsto

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #7 (p. 25-28)

Heat

(6): Shinobi, RadiantCowbells, Elyse,

Aj The Epic

, Grib, Frozen Angel
Dwlee99 (3):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n
Davsto (2): Titus, Shiro
pistachi0n (1): Dwlee99
Frozen Angel (1):

Heat

Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): Firebringer

Abstaining (3): notscience, Davsto, pignash

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #8 (p. 29-32)

Heat

(6): Shinobi, RadiantCowbells, Elyse,

Aj The Epic

, Grib, Frozen Angel
Dwlee99 (3):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n
Davsto (2): Titus, Shiro
pistachi0n (2): Dwlee99,

Heat

Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): Firebringer

Abstaining (3): notscience, Davsto, pignash

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #9 (p. 33-36)

Heat

(4): Shinobi, Elyse, Grib, Frozen Angel
Dwlee99 (3):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n
pistachi0n (3): Dwlee99,

Heat

, Shiro

Aj The Epic

(2): Titus, RadiantCowbells
Frozen Angel (1):

Aj The Epic

Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): Firebringer

Abstaining (3): Drixx, Davsto, pignash

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #10 (p. 37-40)

Aj The Epic

(4): Titus, RadiantCowbells, Frozen Angel, Grib
Dwlee99 (3):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n
pistachi0n (3): Dwlee99,

Heat

, Shiro

Heat

(2): Shinobi, Elyse
Frozen Angel (1):

Aj The Epic

Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): Firebringer

Abstaining (3): Drixx, Davsto, pignash

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #11 (p. 41-44)

pistachi0n (5): Dwlee99,

Heat

, Shiro,

MarioManiac4

, Zymf

Aj The Epic

(4): Titus, Frozen Angel, Grib, RadiantCowbells
Frozen Angel (1):

Aj The Epic

Dwlee99 (1): pistachi0n
Zymf (1): Shinobi
Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): Firebringer

Heat

(1): Elyse

Abstaining (3): Drixx, Davsto, pignash

Well, at a glance, it isn't impossible. None of them have voted together, except in the last votal, which. Makes me less inclined to lynch pistachi0n.

[Grib]

No single wagon toDay has had more than six votes, when the necessary needed to lynch is ten. I think this suggests a scumteam that's timid, overly-careful, new, or lurking.

[Grib]

(keeping track of votals is not alignment-indicative for me, so copy+pasting them should be okay)

Spoiler:

Votecount #1 (p. 1-4)

MarioManiac4

(5): Grib, Elyse, Frozen Angel,

Aj The Epic

, Dwlee99
Davsto (2): Titus, Firebringer
pistachi0n (2):

Heat

, Zymf
Titus (1): Davsto
Firebringer (1): Shiro
Shiro (1): pistachi0n
Dwlee99 (1):

MarioManiac4

Heat

(1): Shinobi

Abstaining (4): Espeonage, notscience, pignash, RadiantCowbells

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #2 (p. 5-8)

MarioManiac4

(5): Grib, Elyse, Frozen Angel,

Aj The Epic

, Dwlee99
pistachi0n (2):

Heat

, Zymf
Firebringer (2): Shiro, RadiantCowbells

Heat

(1): Shinobi
Davsto (1): Titus
Shiro (1): pistachi0n
Dwlee99 (1):

MarioManiac4

RadiantCowbells (1): Firebringer
Grib (1): Espeonage

Abstaining (3): notscience, pignash, Davsto

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #3 (p. 9-12)

MarioManiac4

(5): Grib, Elyse, Frozen Angel,

Aj The Epic

, Dwlee99
pistachi0n (2):

Heat

, Zymf

Heat

(1): Shinobi
Davsto (1): Titus
Shiro (1): pistachi0n
Dwlee99 (1):

MarioManiac4

RadiantCowbells (1): Firebringer
Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): RadiantCowbells

Abstaining (4): notscience, pignash, Davsto, Shiro

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #4 (p. 13-16)

RadiantCowbells (3): Firebringer, Davsto, Elyse
Dwlee99 (3):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n
Davsto (3): Titus, Shiro, Grib

MarioManiac4

(2): Frozen Angel,

Aj The Epic

Frozen Angel (1):

Heat

Heat

(1): Shinobi
Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): RadiantCowbells
pistachi0n (1): Dwlee99

Abstaining (2): notscience, pignash

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #5 (p. 17-20)

Dwlee99 (4):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n, pignash
RadiantCowbells (3): Firebringer, Davsto, Elyse
Davsto (2): Titus, Shiro
pistachi0n (2): Dwlee99, Grib

MarioManiac4

(1):

Aj The Epic

Frozen Angel (1):

Heat

Heat

(1): Shinobi
Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): RadiantCowbells

Abstaining (2): notscience, Frozen Angel

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #6 (p. 21-24)

Heat

(4): Shinobi, RadiantCowbells, Elyse,

Aj The Epic

Dwlee99 (4):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n, pignash
Davsto (3): Titus, Shiro, Firebringer
pistachi0n (2): Dwlee99, Grib
Frozen Angel (1):

Heat

Grib (1): Espeonage

Abstaining (3): notscience, Frozen Angel, Davsto

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #7 (p. 25-28)

Heat

(6): Shinobi, RadiantCowbells, Elyse,

Aj The Epic

, Grib, Frozen Angel
Dwlee99 (3):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n
Davsto (2): Titus, Shiro
pistachi0n (1): Dwlee99
Frozen Angel (1):

Heat

Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): Firebringer

Abstaining (3): notscience, Davsto, pignash

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #8 (p. 29-32)

Heat

(6): Shinobi, RadiantCowbells, Elyse,

Aj The Epic

, Grib, Frozen Angel
Dwlee99 (3):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n
Davsto (2): Titus, Shiro
pistachi0n (2): Dwlee99,

Heat

Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): Firebringer

Abstaining (3): notscience, Davsto, pignash

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #9 (p. 33-36)

Heat

(4): Shinobi, Elyse, Grib, Frozen Angel
Dwlee99 (3):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n
pistachi0n (3): Dwlee99,

Heat

, Shiro

Aj The Epic

(2): Titus, RadiantCowbells
Frozen Angel (1):

Aj The Epic

Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): Firebringer

Abstaining (3): Drixx, Davsto, pignash

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #10 (p. 37-40)

Aj The Epic

(4): Titus, RadiantCowbells, Frozen Angel, Grib
Dwlee99 (3):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n
pistachi0n (3): Dwlee99,

Heat

, Shiro

Heat

(2): Shinobi, Elyse
Frozen Angel (1):

Aj The Epic

Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): Firebringer

Abstaining (3): Drixx, Davsto, pignash

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #11 (p. 41-44)

pistachi0n (5): Dwlee99,

Heat

, Shiro,

MarioManiac4

, Zymf

Aj The Epic

(4): Titus, Frozen Angel, Grib, RadiantCowbells
Frozen Angel (1):

Aj The Epic

Dwlee99 (1): pistachi0n
Zymf (1): Shinobi
Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): Firebringer

Heat

(1): Elyse

Abstaining (3): Drixx, Davsto, pignash

Well, at a glance, it isn't impossible. None of them have voted together, except in the last votal, which. Makes me less inclined to lynch pistachi0n.

VCA pre flips? Really?

I mean, it helps to show if your scumreads even make sense together.

[Grib]

Well, let's get Aj's flip and go from there.

[Grib]

Aj: you avoided answering these questions.

Do you find it weird that despite a couple people voicing suspicions of me, I have come under virtually no pressure [as in nobody is pushing me]? Does that tell you anything about my alignment, or the alignments of the people scumreading me?

[Grib]

I'm gonna go see what a MarioManiac/Aj/Heat team looks like.

Standby.

I want a follow-up to this simply because I know by any look at my iso, this is coming up to be a pretty bad correlation.

I await someone to find a decent belief that I'm scum other than "Oh no he think's FA is scum!"

I did make other points.

You will address them if you want me to answer your questions.

[Grib]

Conveniently in your VCA you ignore that I've spent the majority of the game voting the other two you believe to be scum. And this VCA is the depth of your analysis, which to me doesn't signify a whole lot. You never check why anyone votes, simply where they are. As I see it, your conclusion for your raw data is wrong and you're not even going about applying it correctly.

It's a visual representation of the scumreads I currently possess, and what they look like in action. Nothing more. The rest will come with flips and reevaluation.

Yes. He basically drew that pistachio wasn't someone he wanted to vote because it was the only time heat/mario/myself have voted together (heat and mario were on the same wagon). However, he refused to address the fact that I'd be bussing both buddies right out the game.

It's very much reasonable to not want to be on a wagon with two of your scumreads. That's not a fancy VCA conclusion, that's common sense.

Is it my turn to throw the word 'bussing' in your face, and not really show my evidence for why I believe that to be the case?

[Grib]

Hm.

Aj, what's your read on pistachi0n?

[Grib]

Mm, time's a-tickin'.

Aj The Epic (5): Titus, Frozen Angel, Grib, RadiantCowbells, Shiro

pistachi0n (4): Dwlee99, Heat, MarioManiac4, Zymf
Frozen Angel (1): Aj The Epic
Shinobi (1): pistachi0n
pignash (1): Shinobi
Titus (1): Firebringer
Heat (1): Elyse
Shiro (1): Espeonage

Abstaining (3): Drixx, Davsto, pignash

We should either consolidate on Aj/pistachi0n, or someone (i.e. all the people with useless votes) needs to make a stronger case for their lynch of choice.

[Grib]

Unvote

Not time for vanity wagoning.

Vote: Shiro

?

Yeah, that lynch probably isn't happening with five days left on the timer without something more convincing.

Unvote

Not time for vanity wagoning.

What's happening?

Lynching pistachi0n

Sorting people

Making a strong townblock

Fun stuff

Bolded seems incorrect. Do you have evidence to back this view up?

Now to my question. It's serious because I actually have no idea why someone would be having fun waiting around for the leading lynch target. That raises issues for me. Does it not for you? I feel like it should.

It raises issues such as ?

It not like that is all that has been going on and I am trying to be entertained from the game no matter it's state.

How you can be enjoying nothing. Because to me it seems somewhat of a slip that you are scum and pistacion is a mislynch and you are happy that it's going through. Why else would you be having fun with nothing?

This is...a weird angle to push.

It's a common expression in English. You list off a bunch of events and end it with 'fun times', or in this case, 'fun stuff'. Your 'do you have evidence to back this view up?' question is ??? kind of horrible.

[Grib]

Because it's a very normal thing people say, without meaning it literally?

[Grib]

Well that was interesting.

[Grib]

Well that was interesting.

what was?

ψοολ ψοολ δριχχ υοθ δο τηατ

ςε νεεδ σομε φρεση οπινιονσ

[Grib]

Deadline is this coming Sunday.

[Grib]

News flash: This being that easy should be major causes for concern, especially because there's no fight from anyone (scum would at least try to prevent their guys from being lynched in some form, no matter how minor).

Strongly disagree. There hasn't been an easy wagon, because no single person has gotten more than six votes. Nobody has been in any real danger of getting lynched all Day. There's nothing to fight.

I think scum are trying to delay the lynch by spreading out their votes, hence all the one-shot wagons.

Like.

Neither you nor pistachi0n are voting for each other, despite the fact that one of you two is very likely going to die toDay. I don't want to be arrogant enough to say it's because you're scummates, but.

I know you said you don't believe in lynching lurkers, but at this point, it's you or him, so.

Also, if you've been relatively okay with me since 323, why are you still scumpainting me in 666, 670, 846, 955, and 1132?

[Grib]

Looking through ISOs. pistachi0n never mentions or interacts with Aj, but defends him a bit when Elyse brings up an Aj post she doesn't like.

As for Aj, he also never interacts with pistachi0n. He kinda calls him scummy in 1092, and when I ask him for a pistachi0n read Aj responds with 'I don't want to give an opinion on him because he's lurking and I don't like lynching lurkers' in 1149, and then calls him town in 1230. There's also his beef with Frozen Angel that starts in 846, where he chews her out for saying there's one scum in Dwlee/pistachi0n.

Eh.

I could see this being buddy-buddy, but. That's also way too easy.

[Grib]

How can there be a counterpush when both wagons have more or less stalled? You and pistachi0n have been hovering around four or five votes since like, page thirty-seven.

[Grib]

Well, it's always something you could do later.

[Grib]

Me?

[Grib]

Hm.

Cookies.

[Grib]

Hey Vig, Mario is still lurking scum.

Just reminding you.

[Grib]

Hm. Scum!Davsto. Lemme think.

Didn't like that he concluded there was probably one scum on the early Mario wagon but didn't take the opportunity to actually attempt to poke at the people voting for him. He had that weird, convoluted read on RadiantCowbells that was based on an imaginary assumption (that RadiantCowbells was planning on calling Titus scum if Titus pushed on him). His long, drawn-out argument with Titus

kinda

looks like he knows she's town, but only if you squint (as he seems frustrated with her but never thinks it's because she's scum tunneling on him, until like super recently). There are parts of his frustration with Titus that look genuine, and his reads have been pretty consistent.

Eh.

I don't like him for town quite yet, but. I wouldn't lynch him toDay.

fake edit: hey there Mario. Still scum?

[Grib]

Hey pistachi0n, you should probably claim in case we need time to swing the lynch.

[Grib]

Also, this is the part where you dump full reads with explanations and point to who you think the scum are on your wagon.

[Grib]

blah blah triple post

Current votal should look like this:

pistachi0n (8): Heat, MarioManiac4, Zymf, Espeonage, Firebringer, Dwlee99, Shinobi, Elyse

Aj The Epic (5): Titus, Frozen Angel, Grib, RadiantCowbells, Shiro
Heat (1): Aj The Epic
Shinobi (1): pistachi0n

Abstaining (3): Drixx, Davsto, pignash

I'd like to wait for Drixx's catchup before we go into Night.

[Grib]

aaand another post

I'll genuinely be surprised if pistachi0n flips scum here. His wagon is made up of two scummy people (per my reads, since few people are scumreading Mario, I think?), a person who probably isn't even paying attention to the game and seems to want to replace out, someone who spent all Day voting for me and doing literally fuck-all, someone whose ISO is 98% fluff, and then I'm relatively okay with the last three, with Elyse being the least liked of the bunch.

[Grib]

Good afternoon.

I see both leading lynch wagons still have their votes off in la-la land.

[Grib]

omg yes

Hi Nero!

[Grib]

Hey, I have an idea. Let's use the extension to read the game instead of having a dumb argument.

[Grib]

Not super fond of the Heat wagon, maybe it's just because he asked where I was. Why would he care if I was being quiet when town was plenty active at that point other than to try and sort me? Seems too proactive to be scum.

Large games are weird. I feel like I don't have anything to really add yet. I would like a Heat or Zymf lynch more than anything else I think.

What changed your read on Heat?

Oh it's so fun to post and then immediately get called scum...

It's almost like it's the reason I have said little to nothing the whole game because I feel like opening my mouth means being scumread. It's discouraging really. Every third person is throwing out naked scum reads so it's not like I'm alone in this.

You are being scumread because you aren't doing anything to help town win.

That's cool.

Posts like these are pointless. Why be deliberately unhelpful? Someone calls you scum or says they want to lynch you, you ask them why and determine if they're scum going for an easy mislynch or misguided town.

Because it's happened in several of my games. Seems like a lot of players can get away with talking off the cuff and they don't get turned on immediately but I'm still new and people don't know my personality so I post something underwhelming and it means I'm scummy. Annoying mostly.

I said who I thought was suspicous. Zymf is my main scum read currently because of their terrible vote of Pistachion.

Dwlee is town, but annoying and I don't really thing pistachion is scum.

Titus seems to have calmed down a little, I don't know if that means she thinks the tunnel on dave bought her enough town cred to coast for a bit or if it means she was pushing so hard to get the game going in earnest.

RC seems town.

These are my strongest reads ATM.

Posts like these are great. Try to get some scumreads and be helpful, or you will be lynched probably in the near future.

[Grib]

Also, use your vote. Abstaining for like, the entire game is bad and scummy.

[Grib]

What other interpretation is there of 'I don't like either wagon'?

[Grib]

I don't see how it was a misrep. It looked like a normal question.

[Grib]

Post 795, mostly.

Why?

So 3 words is deliberately unhelpful? I feel like that's exaggerating. So you're saying either OMGUS or say that they're wrong but not scum? That doesn't seem super helpful to me.

Is it helpful?

Voting for someone who voted for you is not OMGUS unless that's the only reason you're voting for them. Making an attempt to figure out why someone is targeting you is always good.

[Grib]

I am scumreading Dave because he is treating me like I know scum have treated me in the past.

If dave or anyone on the scum team was TRULY scared of you, they'd kill you rather than trying to lynch you.

I take it you've just given up all pretense of being town at this point?

I want your notes.

^

[Grib]

I'm like, 65% sure pignash is mislynch bait.

[Grib]

Thanks for your valuable input.

[Grib]

I'd definitely be up for a last-minute Mario wagon.

[Grib]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MarioManiac

I'll move back to Aj if this doesn't happen.

[Grib]

You don't remember my push on him? I think he reacted horribly, and he hasn't done anything towny since then.

[Grib]

Aj The Epic (6): RadiantCowbells, Drixx, pistachi0n, Dwlee99, Elyse, Firebringer

MarioManiac4 (6): Nero Cain, Grib, Aj The Epic, Titus, Frozen Angel, Shiro
pistachi0n (2): Heat, MarioManiac4
pignash (1): Shinobi
Titus (1): Davsto

Abstaining (2): pignash, Espeonage

I think we can make it.

Going to bed now, but will wake up before deadline in case shenanigans happen.

[Grib]

One more vote.

[Grib]

VOTE: Elyse

This 1v1 shit was set up yesterday off of me falling, flipping town and then allowing her some leverage vs Titus. I don't like being set up like that. More importantly, even if I disagree with Titus I still think Titus is just playing bad, not scum.

Aj can be town for toDay.

VOTE: Elyse

[Grib]

>Titus might be town
>but I want to get rid of her because she's a distraction

We're not wasting lynches on likely town.

[Grib]

Drixx: your catchup/reads, if you please.

[Grib]

Experience.

[Grib]

I'm okay with her.

People who are frustrated should step away from their computer for a bit. Maybe purchase a coloring book.

[Grib]

I get the distinct feeling Espeonage doesn't actually care about the game.

[Grib]

Cool, a townfirm.

UNVOTE:

I'll have to reread at some point, but I probably won't vote for Titus without a stronger case than 'she's loud and I feel it in my bones'.

[Grib]

I would bet heaps of money both of them are scum.

Both of whom?

@Grib, Drixx needs donuts and cake. He needs to be a fat birdie.

You don't want any?

[Grib]

Hm.

Titus, remind me why Aj is obvtown toDay?

[Grib]

Look at the dramatic shift between his D1 and D2 posting. d1 it was all fuck you, I fon't have to find scum. D2 he opens with strong scumhunting.

Well, yeah. After almost-getting lynched, he probably doesn't want to get run up again.

Him not claiming at L-1 is pinging me a bit, especially when Shiro stated intent to hammer and Aj ignored her. I have a lot of townreads on the nine-man Aj wagon. He focused more on arguing with you at EoD than pushing a scumread and saving his life.

Where is it strong? He votes Elyse based on a premise that you didn't believe days before that (that he'd flip town and Elyse would use his flip to tunnel you), calls Drixx scum, votes him, then more or less

sheeps

Drixx's reasoning to switch back to Elyse.

[Grib]

Like, by your own logic, someone who only starts scumhunting /after/ it looks like they're going to die in the near future probably doesn't deserve a big shiny townpass.

I have ~three people who could possibly be scum on his wagon (Frozen Angel, Drixx, pistachi0n), but I'm leaning town on 2/3 of them.

Aj The Epic (9): Titus, Frozen Angel, Grib, RadiantCowbells, Drixx, pistachi0n, Dwlee99, Elyse, Firebringer

[Grib]

I imagine it's hard to uphold a townread on someone who only fluffs. I liked some of his recent posts, though.

How do you feel about Frozen Angel?

[Grib]

Also, remember the large-ish wagon on Mario earlier in the game?

MarioManiac4 (6):

Grib

,

Elyse

,

Frozen Angel

, Aj The Epic,

Dwlee99

,

RadiantCowbells

From my POV, that's three townfirms, one strong townread, a townlean, and an unknown.

Kinda want that unknown dead.

VOTE: Aj The Epic

fake edit: can you elaborate? Is it all the fluff, or something else?

[Grib]

People shouldn't sheep Elyse until she gets invested in the game.

[Grib]

Also, remember the large-ish wagon on Mario earlier in the game?

MarioManiac4 (6):

Grib

,

Elyse

,

Frozen Angel

, Aj The Epic,

Dwlee99

,

RadiantCowbells

From my POV, that's three townfirms, one strong townread, a townlean, and an unknown.

Kinda want that unknown dead.

VOTE: Aj The Epic

fake edit: can you elaborate? Is it all the fluff, or something else?

Fluff ehhhh I look a lot of word choice and if something feels right. I haven't got the feels I have from AJ.

Let's try something different.

Put your scumread on Davsto into words that

don't

make me think you're only tunneling him for something he did in RVS and you've been confbiasing every single one of his posts since then.

[Grib]

Find me a post where Dave scumhunts.

What is your definition of scumhunting?

Also, remember the large-ish wagon on Mario earlier in the game?

MarioManiac4 (6):

Grib

,

Elyse

,

Frozen Angel

, Aj The Epic,

Dwlee99

,

RadiantCowbells

From my POV, that's three townfirms, one strong townread, a townlean, and an unknown.

Kinda want that unknown dead.

VOTE: Aj The Epic

fake edit: can you elaborate? Is it all the fluff, or something else?

I don't like this post.

Anything else?

[Grib]

I had other minor problems with you. You being an 'unknown' is just helping me find somewhere to direct my focus.

Could you walk me through your mindset behind why you lied?

Him not claiming at L-1 is pinging me a bit, especially when Shiro stated intent to hammer and Aj ignored her. [...] He focused more on arguing with you at EoD than pushing a scumread and saving his life.

Titus, until intent I have no intentions to claim, as is normal in a game. And before any claim I make, I want confirmation that after a lynch, you'll consider my reads strongly, since you have a habit of ignoring the reads of the lynched town. Just because I disagree with you doesn't make you right by any stretch of the imagination.

Bleh intent to hammer.

And then your next post was:

w8 , you suddenly scum reading Elyse? the one who tried that hard to get you out of this lynch ?

Did you just start reading? I've been scum reading Elyse for a while.

[Grib]

Grib, your entire issue with me right now is "I think I townread everyone else on that wagon not confirmed". That's a terrible argument. The reason I was on that wagon should also be incredibly obvious. The entire reach of trying to frame me as 'unknown' as the extent to the reason you're voting without even believing outright that I'm scum is an issue in and of itself. You have too non-commital a reason to be voting me, and if I'm your current vote you must be lacking any true scum read.

I mean. The problems I had with you yesterDay when you nearly got lynched still stand. They didn't magically disappear when we switched to Mario.

[Grib]

The read on Elyse is irrelevant; I was pointing out that you posted after intent was stated but didn't acknowledge it at all.

[Grib]

Not all of us are Titus.

Hum.

I think I would have less of a problem with you toDay if you were actually pushing the Heat wagon with some conviction, after your(/everyone's) scumread on Elyse dissolved. Right now you're just arguing with the only vote on your wagon.

[Grib]

What are you thinking?

[Grib]

Yeah, the 'having it stolen from me' got to me.

I'm still interested.

[Grib]

Hm.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pistachi0n

[Grib]

Sorry, Titus, but as it stands, I'm not really sold on your Davsto case.

I think if pistachi0n flips town, I'm going to want to kill Drixx for VCA reasons. And it goes without saying that in that world, I'd be taking my cookies elsewhere.

[Grib]

Sorry, donuts. Too many baked goods floating around.

Look at this votal from yesterDay:

Aj The Epic (9):

Titus

,

Frozen Angel

, {

Grib

,

RadiantCowbells

, [Drixx, pistachi0n],

Dwlee99

,

Elyse

},

Firebringer

Look between the {}. From my POV, that's townfirm, townfirm, blank, blank, strong town, and townfirm. If Aj is town, which I'm going with for the moment, I

highly

doubt there's going to be six town voting all in a row in that cluster.

Out of the townreads on that wagon, I feel the strongest about Dwlee, which is excellent because of his placement near all the townfirms on the wagon.

[Grib]

Man, I might be wrong on Frozen Angel.

Hum.

[Grib]

I must be a terrible baker if you think donuts are cookies. who will you share donuts with?

I don't like this.

Drixx frankly is obvious town. I am gunna cry.

If pistachi0n flips scum, I'll share with Drixx.

If town, hm. Dwlee? Elyse has basically checked out of the game, and she's probably going to die. On the bright side, that means the Investigative role(s) will live.

[Grib]

:/

Eh. I can dig that. Mildly.

[Grib]

But like.

If Drixx and pistachi0n are both town, that looks really bad for Aj.

[Grib]

What are you thinking?

His issue with nero was really, really strange (smother [titus] with a pillow) and to push that as a reason to lynch is bad. When talking about why Elyse would try to 1v1 as an innocent child, I stated the obvious answer: She knew she would win regardless of what happened and thought titus was scum. However, he pushed on as if this wasn't the true meaning. Ended up contesting that gut was a bad reason to pull that. While sure, this is true, there's no reason to question it considering Elyse is now mod-confirmed town. Contesting it altogether ended up in a 'your read was bad, you wasted a power' sort of lecture, which could simply discourage a confirmed town from taking any action.

Didn't understand why Nero came in 'predicting a fight' when the answer appeared pretty obvious. They quarrel a lot, pretty obvious even though I play with neither of them regularly. Nothing in Nero's statements was baiting Titus to fight, both were plainly ready to argue regardless.

Lastly, when we started the day he toyed with Elyse being scum for the 1v1 titus on inevitable lynch, then stated I could be scum, or that both of us could be scum. Playing for a lot of lynches with very little town reads. His issue? We both voted him off his original issue with Nero, calling our votes opportunistic when his vote was... stretching at best, and opportunistic definitely being descriptive of it.

P-edit: dave in a bit.

What do you think his alignment is, based on these thoughts?

[Grib]

Nah, let's lynch pistachi0n.

For Christmas, I want a Cop check on Frozen Angel. Pretty please.

[Grib]

Is there anything suspicious about me you wanna ask me about?

I'm here to answer them.

Could you go into detail on your read on Drixx?

[Grib]

Also, please answer the following questions with nothing less than complete and total honesty.

1) Are you mafia?
2) Are you okay with being Cop checked?

[Grib]

Also, please answer the following questions with nothing less than complete and total honesty.

1) Are you mafia?
2) Are you okay with being Cop checked?

since you asked respectably!

1) no!
2) well, I think that won't solve much because of my role .

Okay, this is important.

Are you a Miller or an Ascetic?

[Grib]

If you are one of those roles, you should claim.

In fact, those are two roles that should almost always claim Day 1 so town PRs don't waste their abilities on them.

If you are not either of them, then don't claim.

[Grib]

:I

Alright then.

You said you might agree with a pistachi0n lynch. Why, and what's stopping you?

[Grib]

You gave more reasons for why pistachi0n is bad, so why do you prefer pig?

Also, pretty sure pistachi0n is scumreading Titus.

[Grib]

pista has 51 posts , always 1 line , throwing stuff without reasons , branching everywhere, never defended himself at all , his only single solid reads are Aj->scum and titus->

scum

and he never tried for these reads.

sorry fixed :/

I think both of them are equally bad. but at least pista is trying ... I don't know. why you think pista is a better option than pig?

Answered at the end of this post.

Also, please answer the following questions with nothing less than complete and total honesty.

1) Are you mafia?
2) Are you okay with being Cop checked?

What's the point? Especially q1.

Fun.

I kinda believe Frozen Angel's sort-of-claim? Since she brought it up

before

the first even Night. I'd feel much, much better about her if she had done it of her own volition instead of in response to me asking about her being Cop'd, but alas.

Aj The Epic (9):

Titus

,

Frozen Angel

, {

Grib

,

RadiantCowbells

, [Drixx, pistachi0n],

Dwlee99

,

Elyse

},

Firebringer

Look between the {}. From my POV, that's townfirm, townfirm, blank, blank, strong town, and townfirm. If Aj is town, which I'm going with for the moment, I

highly

doubt there's going to be six town voting all in a row in that cluster.

Out of the townreads on that wagon, I feel the strongest about Dwlee, which is excellent because of his placement near all the townfirms on the wagon.

Yeah, I'm probably gonna go back to wanting Aj super dead for the high crime of being voted for by way too many townies, depending on how pistachi0n flips and how Drixx holds up under scrutiny. Firebringer could do with a Cop check, maybe. He's been coasting and I want to see more opinions and stances from him.

This is why I want to lynch pistachi0n. I don't have a townread on him, and his flip sheds some more light on Aj's alignment.

[Grib]

Your argument is bad on the reason that you can't give reason for Fire/Pistachi/Frozen town and make this assumption right here. Then you act like the town wasn't seriously misguided and that under pages of pressure you failed to find anything conclusive on me.

I mean, I'm reasonably certain Titus is town. Firebringer is eh, I've only played with him once and misread him for Not Doing Things, which is why I think he'd make a good Cop check if he doesn't intend to step up and actually Do things. And Frozen Angel's claim was more +town than not, imo; I was already leaning town on her before that.

I don't think 'misguided' is a good explanation for 'no scum are running me up at all' when it's Day 1 and the entire scumteam is alive and kicking.

I'd feel much, much better about her if she had done it of her own volition instead of in response to me asking about her being Cop'd, but alas.

there must be a reason. Think more or stop talking about it.

? I wasn't going to keep talking about it.

[Grib]

Oh, you said pistachi0n, not Titus. My bad.

I don't have a townread on pistachi0n, so I'm not going to give reasons for him being town. I'm just saying if he does flip town, that's another strike against you.

[Grib]

Titus, when you get the chance, could you put together a list of your current reads with explanations?

All I can recall is you're scumreading Davsto; otherwise your reads seem to come and go in snippets and I really don't feel like combing your three-page ISO for them.

[Grib]

@Dwlee
I agree with you that Titus is good at scumhunting. And she's been pushing town so far in this game so she's probably scum.

Being wrong about your scumreads doesn't make you scum.

I think her attitude makes her very town. And in my experience, the less sense Titus makes, the more likely she is to be town. Especially when she's super pushy and whiny about nobody following her reads.

I don't agree with Espeo's thing, but I think he's town for it.

I think he's trying to maintain a thread presence without actually pushing reads. All he's been talking about is the multiball thing, which. I don't really care.

I still want a Titus lynch. I will settle for pignash, though, and I don't want pistachi0n lynched today. I think he's been town as of late, but

I still think one of AJ/pistach is probably scum

so I need to reevaluate there.

Yeah, that's pretty conflicting and definitely something I'd like for you to resolve sooner rather than later.

w/r/t Aj not claiming: it's possible he's a powerful scum PR and didn't want to risk getting CC'd and instalynched the next Day if he fakeclaimed. The problem with that is it looked like he was just going to let himself die without pushing a different wagon, but I suppose that could be a reason for why the Mario wagon got so much traction.

So I am scumhunting really well, no one's lynching my biggest scumreads so that means I am scum? Really? If you don't agree with espy then you think it's single ball. Single ball means scum aren't scumhunting.That would make me town.

You want to lead, then step up be here and lead. Right now, all you're doing is pushing tow and detracting from those of us playing.

What if both AJ and Pistachion are scum?

Please get out of our way in lynching scum or help out Elyse.

Town is having trouble coming together. You picking someone who can actually be scum to lynch would help out a lot.

I've been entertaining this thought, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Grib]

Titus: look at how glad Dwlee was to see that Elyse was actually a PR all along, in addition to the comment he made that he suspected he knew it the Day before.

I KNEW IT. I KNEW IT!!!

VOTE: AJ

I am 1v1ing Titus tomorrow

So what I saw was this, which made it clear that they were a power role. That was my secret.

I thought these were really, really town.

Plus, if he were scum, they'd probably have shot probable!PR!Elyse over ???!who-even-knows!RadiantCowbells.

[Grib]

Titus (again): these are Heat's posts toDay.

My 1v1 has nothing to do with AJ.

Also you're calling me scum for sticking with it but saying I'd look worse if I dropped it soooo lol

I'd say that both situations make you look pretty bad, and nitpicking this part just makes you look like you're trying to find some fault in drixx's argument. pretty scummy if you ask me

I know something you don't titus. At least I think I do..

What was the point of this

@Mod: V/LA until Tuesday the 22nd, Final Exam hustle.

wooo its almost christmas and I'm finally done exams

catching up now

yo pignash, instead of whining that we shouldn't lynch you cause you're town, why don't you actually show us that you're town? just saying "stop it" isn't enough.

drixx, is it possible to get the D1 thoughts yet?

Also sounds a lot like trying to outguess the mod tbh.

Merry Christmas everyone!

Where is the strong play?

[Grib]

Titus: look at how glad Dwlee was to see that Elyse was actually a PR all along, in addition to the comment he made that he suspected he knew it the Day before.

I KNEW IT. I KNEW IT!!!

VOTE: AJ

I am 1v1ing Titus tomorrow

So what I saw was this, which made it clear that they were a power role. That was my secret.

I thought these were really, really town.

Plus, if he were scum, they'd probably have shot probable!PR!Elyse over ???!who-even-knows!RadiantCowbells.

I Get the statements. It just doesn't make sense 1 v 1 = Elyse is town PR.

Why not? It makes perfect sense: if a town PR is 1v1ing a scumread, the PR will always win.

Plus, it doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense. I think the excitement is genuine.

[Grib]

Come on, Titus. Easy posts are easy.

This is how I'm reading them:

- Elyse is scummy to the max, but I'm not going to follow it up with anything. Also here's an easy question to Dwlee. => bad
- V/LA => null
- I'm catching up, but spoiler from the future: you will not actually see the results of any kind of catch-up from me. => bad
- Hey pignash, show, don't tell us you're town. I'm not going to engage with you in any meaningful way beyond this, btw. => bad
- Drixx, your D1 thoughts? => good
- Setup spec is bad also this is a fluffpost. => bad

[Grib]

What results? Those are literally all of Heat's posts toDay.

Disagree that he's improved. He had more content yesterDay.

[Grib]

Titus, what results? I want you to point me to them. They either exist or they don't. There is no 'bullheaded'.

It is an objective fact that Heat posted more content yesterDay than toDay. Attribute it to V/LA, lurking, holidays, whatever. It's still true.

If we're going to argue content, I don't know why you're giving Heat a pass.

[Grib]

Spoiler: OKAY SO THIS TURNED OUT TO BE A LITTLE LARGER THAN I EXPECTED

This is a weak post. Everyone you 'wouldn't mind' lynching is a lurker. You take only the easiest routes on any of your reads and echo exactly what Titus has for reads for your 'will not lynch'. There's no independent thought here.

Just quoting to see if AJ pushes someone for being a lurker.

I like Dwlee for town I just think that he's wrong.

You think pistachi0n is town?

I am fairly certain one of pistachi0n/zimpf is scum

Walk me through the reasoning that

a) there's a confirmed scum between those two players and
b) that there's only one confirmed scum between those two players
c) that none of the above information points to any specific one of them, just the pair.

Good set of questions from RadiantCowbells here.

There is no reasoning.

Grib is basically the towniest motherfucker in this game/


Just a feeling. I mean you could argue that both of them COULD be scum but I wish to believe not two scum are hard lurking like that

Bad set of answers from Shiro here.

Dwlee's pistach tunnel (although is it really a tunnel if there are more than enough good reasons for it?) looks townie.

I'm willing to bet money this is multiball.

Uhh... why? Seems rather non-sequitur.

Wtf zymf..
you
. wtf

What the actual crap..
just to get it off of your back..?
the entire wagon that was on me has joined my wagon has moved to pistachio despite scum reading me.. wuuuuutttt.
Mario, it is multiball..

Another multiball spec-ing? This seems odd. Why are people first jumping to the conclusion of multiball explaining what's happening rather than, idk, them being wrong with their reads? Or a bad bus?

I'm sorry for being inactive, I shouldn't have joined this game :/
@Frogger: If you have a replacement ready, I don't mind being replaced.

Most of the active players seem to agree that we shouldn't lynch Dwlee. I don't really understand why, but...

6) Subtly associates Pistach with Zymf.

I don't mind lynching pistachion either. So just to get this off my back, I think we should lynch him.
VOTE: Pistachi0n

I don't know what to make of this.

Help

Wow, this is a really good way to "comment" on a post while literally saying jack shit.

You wouldn't lie to me.

So you're saying that if you were scum this game, right now, you would admit that you're scum and vote yourself?

Yes

ok.

I'm a sucker for ate.

VOTE: Aj

I- uh- what? RC looks like he's being silly RC here, which is all well and good, but it's still a weird conversation. If RC

is

scum, this basically means that Elyse isn't his partner, because this would be the weirdest way for scumbuddies to behave, by attracting attention to themselves using a silly reason to unvote over several posts.

What's your read on me?

I was scumreading you but upon reflection and some meta from our old games (good times btw) I'm not so sure of that read anymore. Gun to my head, you're town.

Wow, townreading him basically just after he decided you were town? What a realistic development that isn't even slightly convenient.

Let us look at our options..
either pistachio and zymf are scum together and zymf is bussing
Zymf is town and voting pistachio
Or zymf and the nut are part of different scum teams
What seems most likely?

I would happily argue that the first and second are easier conclusions to come to. This seems like a weird justification. Bleh.

Lining up lynches, etc.

Seriously his ISO is terrible. I'm not moving my vote.

Titus are you willing to 1v1 me tomorrow?

VOTE: AJ

I am 1v1ing Titus tomorrow

Intent to hammer.

I'm leaving my house in 45 min and will hammer if MM doesn't claim by then.

1v1ing Titus tomorrow.

Just putting that first quote by the other three. Take a look and spot the issue!

snip
Well, at a glance, it isn't impossible. None of them have voted together, except in the last votal, which. Makes me less inclined to lynch pistachi0n.

VCA pre flips? Really?

No single wagon toDay has had more than six votes, when the necessary needed to lynch is ten. I think this suggests a scumteam that's timid, overly-careful, new, or lurking.

Or a low charisma scumteam that cannot push a counterwagon to scum but is better at defending and wking.

Dave Elyse AJ.

This is certainly a change of opinion. She goes from saying that pre-flip VCA is bad to suddenly having a VCA which supports her hypothesis.

I don't think Dwlee is scum anymore. He's so adamant, every post of his is "LYNCH PISTACHI0N LYNCH PISTACHI0N" and he even argued with Titus about the right reason to vote me when Titus was willing to vote me anyway.

I'm scum-reading Shinobi. Half of the posts are about semantics, "I guess," or statements with no elaboration.

VOTE: Shinobi

This is a weeeird post. He just comes in, makes a non-sequitur comment, basically ignoring everything else going on, places a vote on a vanity wagon.

I don't think Dwlee is scum anymore. He's so adamant, every post of his is "LYNCH PISTACHI0N LYNCH PISTACHI0N" and he even argued with Titus about the right reason to vote me when Titus was willing to vote me anyway.

I'm scum-reading Shinobi. Half of the posts are about semantics, "I guess," or statements with no elaboration.

VOTE: Shinobi

What? Where?

Like in 1088 "I can be swayed, I guess"
964 statement with no elaboration
In posts like 357 and 521 he's disagreeing but not giving content/elaborating.

When questioned, he (almost 100 posts later) gives an amazing four posts out of Shinobi's 50 or so posts at this point that vaguely support his point I guess. This is kinda meh. Plus, the irony of "statement with no elaboration" considering that his last post was a statement with no elaboration.

Oh it's so fun to post and then immediately get called scum...

It's almost like it's the reason I have said little to nothing the whole game because I feel like opening my mouth means being scumread. It's discouraging really. Every third person is throwing out naked scum reads so it's not like I'm alone in this.

Blaming other people for his own lurking. Nasty.

YAY ONLY TWENTY PAGES TO GO FUCKING HELL

ψοολ ψοολ δριχχ υοθ δο τηατ

ςε νεεδ σομε φρεση οπινιονσ

I don't get what you're trying to say here, Shiro. It's all Greek to me.

Well that was interesting.

what was?

ψοολ ψοολ δριχχ υοθ δο τηατ

ςε νεεδ σομε φρεση οπινιονσ

I fxied it right the next post. Forgot my keyboard was on greek input

So mafia is all Greek to you. [/joke]

gdi

Oh by the way, Davesto has ignored this thread after the pressure on him abated.

This is scummy. After me having already justified that I was away for IRL reasons literally 42 posts ago, she seems to have forgotten this and decides to call it out as if it were scummy.

Aight my Heat vote isn't going anywhere.

VOTE: AJ

Buy your free opportunism here!

Dwlee, why were you blindly trusting Titus when you switched votes earlier?

Looks like someone saw something convenient to comment on that happened a while ago whilst still ignoring a large amount of things that are going on. Cool, cool.

It ain't a scum response to attack your ego, Titus. It's sad you think that, too because it prevents a lot of proper discussion.

It is a scum response to attack ego. Town argue with evidence. I am aware of the size of my own ego.

Attacking ego is a logical fallacy and the sole purpose of such is to discredit the poster and not address the truth of the argument.

While me arguing at you with evidence meant I was still scum for *reasons*, obviously.

vote:Mario

This shit is townie as hell, regardless of either AJ's alignment. Quitting an easy lynch to push a town wagon would make no sense from scum. If AJ is town, then he's a PR and scum supposedly just gave up the opportunity to be rid of a town PR. If AJ is scum, it's really fucking ballsy to change the wagon whilst being his scum partner, not to mention something that could easily screw him over later.

Basically, Nero is likely town, Grib is the towniest, and Titus and Elyse are the most likely to be scum.

I'm more inclined to lynch Titus because I don't trust in people lynching her once I'm dead.

VOTE: Titus

@dave

Do you think Titus and I are scum together?

I think there's a good chance of both of you being scum, yes, from your individual behaviours.

Thinking about associatives (i.e. but they don't look like they're scum together!) before the flip leads to unnecessary doubt.

I have a scumread on pistach as well. Apparently I'm scum because I don't explicitly state every single one of my reads I get from a big post. The post took a while to make, surprisingly enough, and pistach wasn't one I remembered that much because I was really fucking tired.

Oh, I'm not town, dave?

Also, what is this post? Because I'm not townreading him, I get a snarky comment and a dirty look?

The thing about what I see as a potential scumslip (as I say, it's quite small so idk), I'd have ignored it if she did it once, but she's done it a lot.

Dave AJ Elyse is where I am at currently

Well they arent saying it so thy are scum. c'mon. *choochoo*

Now wouldn't be the time to say it.

Dave Elyse AJ. I want them.

Pistachio isn't a policy lynch.

To me, he is. Dave Elyse and Aj are scum lynches.

No single wagon toDay has had more than six votes, when the necessary needed to lynch is ten. I think this suggests a scumteam that's timid, overly-careful, new, or lurking.

Or a low charisma scumteam that cannot push a counterwagon to scum but is better at defending and wking.

Dave Elyse AJ.

Titus, if you are right about pistachio I will sheep you tomorrow (within reason ofc♥

You're only voting Dave AJ or Elyse if I die and they aren't cleared.

Neither of those are smart moves. The only reason Pig is wagoned is because not AJ/Dave/Elyse

Dave Elyse Espy sounds good as Le scums

Does anyone else see it?
For some reason, whenever she looks for a potential scumteam, she (almost, see below) always lists three players. Me AJ Elyse. Me Elyse Espy. Her first post she said "so far I have", but by the last few, it looks like she thinks that's the entire scumteam.

My question is, why is she looking for a 3-player scumteam in an 18-player game? In my experience, they almost always have 4 scum. Something's telling me Titus knows something.

Only problem is the below post, which is an exception, as it's the only time she lists four players.

Hey Vig, Mario is still lurking scum.

Just reminding you.

I want the vig to shoot Davesto who gave nothing protown under pressure and has avoided this thread since his wagon dissipated.

Davesto AJ Elyse MM4?

I know it's quite small and is likely confbias, but it just bugged me a lot after I thought about it and realised it was a pattern.

Characterizing me as whining isn't really what I'm doing. I'm expressing frustration that I'm an easy mislynch. I am fairly sure story's is town and she thinks Dave is scum so I am willing to go with that. I was ISOing Heat yesterday cuz something seemed off but nothing jumped off the page as "I'm scummy!"

Confusion.

You're willing to go with someone who you think is town (story's? Who's that?) but not someone you know is town (Elyse)? Why's that? Do you have any reads of your own?

Shiro I don't have a good handle on.

Why bring this up? You didn't mention any of your other null reads in this post, why bring up Shiro?

1. I am townreading you
2. You are good at scumhunting

What previous experience do you have with playing with Titus?

Dwlee, why are you focusing on mine and Titus' wagons, while ignoring pignash's wagon, which is currently the largest?

Why say the Titus wagon is "all sketch" when there is literally a confirmed town on it?

Why are Drixx and Titus town?

That concludes question time thanks and goodnight

Also, Dwlee, do you actually have a reason why I'm scum?

Content. Whether it comes from town or scum is another matter.

[Grib]

None of that is a catch-up. It doesn't acknowledge

anything

that happened since his last post; Heat just asks Drixx a question and tells pignash to stop whining. Like, making those posts doesn't require you to even know what's going on outside of a quick glance at the thread. How are those the result of a catch-up, in any universe?

That's exactly what he's doing! He's asking questions [to determine why someone thinks about something] and pushing an argument [that you're scum]. You may not like it, but that doesn't mean it isn't content.

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Like. You are straight up rephrasing your own definition of 'content' to make him look bad. :/

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How can you seek to determine why someone is thinking the way they are without questions and drawing conclusions???

like god above please someone Cop check Davsto or Titus, I'm begging you

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I'm arguing against your assertion that Heat looks better toDay. He doesn't, not even a little bit.

I'm not actively seeking out reasons for you being wrong, I just don't believe the reasons you're pushing! How can you expect anyone to follow your lead based on an 'I just know'?

Ugh.

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Titus, if you are wrong on Davsto, what happens afterwards?

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Can't you bake anything to make him go away?

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Oh, you wanted to give Drixx angry cake.

Is that still on?

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Aj The Epic (9): Titus, Frozen Angel, Grib, RadiantCowbells, Drixx,

pistachi0n

, Dwlee99, Elyse, Firebringer

I think pistachi0n is the scum on this wagon. Everyone else (who isn't dead/confirmed) leans town.

I want to lynch him toDay, and we can deal with Aj/Davsto toMorrow. I'm assuming it takes a while for the cake to be ready.

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Yeah, Drixx can have some of my donuts.

I agree with Elyse that Frozen Angel's outburst was towny; plus she claimed something something possibly even-Night Miller/Ascetic, which is good info for town PRs to have.

FB, yeah, he's more or less useless, so shrug. He was paranoid of you gut-townreading him or something a while back? Which I thought was okay for him.

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Because she wouldn't see it as an issue at the time, given everything would be hunky dory on Night 1.