Mini 1742: game over

mykonian · Post Post #275 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:11 pm

votecount

Wickan (3): JohnnyFarrar, Frozen Angel, ICEninja
JohnnyFarrar (2): A Simple Plan, Albert B. Rampage
Albert B. Rampage (2): RadiantCowbells, Taly
RadiantCowbells (1): Titus
Taly (1): Wickan
Frozen Angel (1): talah

not voting (0):

Wickan · Post Post #276 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:09 pm

@Johnny: let's explore your alternatives to me (obviously I'm your number 1, but I'm curious about 2)

Do you think RC's continuous bringing up of his meta is at all scummy?

Do you think ICE's association tell thing is productive?

JohnnyFarrar · Post Post #277 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:27 pm

Bells seems to do that a lot, but I've only played in games with him where he's scum, so........

I don't put stock in associative tells day one, but don't see looking for them as something bad.

I don't necessarily have another suspect right now. Like, you're as safe a bet I can make for a day 1 vote, anyone else I would vote would be for much smaller stuff. As an example I have it in my head that Frozen was getting coached by her buddies earlier which is why she looked so good in that Talah exchange. On the flip side of that I feel like Talah's been a non-presence in a way that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. All of these are insignificant compared to my thoughts on you right now though.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #278 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:45 pm

Why would my continuously bringing up my meta be scummy, exactly?

Explain to me how this works.

JohnnyFarrar · Post Post #279 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:12 pm

In post 175, ICEninja wrote:RC is pinging my scumdar for attempting to enforce his own meta. When I'm scum I always try to point out all the things I do as a specific alignment as a defense. It's a lousy defense because RC could actively be attempting to mimic his town meta in a game where many people are familiar with his play. Town RC would just be town RC and figure people would townread him because people know his meta.

@Bells Ice tried here, watchu think?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #280 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:12 pm

Didn't I already explain why that was complete garbage?

Why is it still being used?

JohnnyFarrar · Post Post #281 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:13 pm

Maybe? I don't remember. Just remembered this has been brought up before

JohnnyFarrar · Post Post #282 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:15 pm

Nvm you posted like 9 things in response, not quoting them all

Frozen Angel · Post Post #283 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:07 pm

In post 250, Taly wrote:You say that the Wickan wagon sucks

Yet you're still on it? Or am I missing something here?

it was what titus saying. read whole sentence ....

Frozen Angel · Post Post #284 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:08 pm

In post 250, Taly wrote:You replying about how I said I disliked the way you phrased your questions?

what about me phrasing my questions? I'm confused .

Frozen Angel · Post Post #285 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:11 pm

In post 276, Wickan wrote:@Johnny: let's explore your alternatives to me (obviously I'm your number 1, but I'm curious about 2)

Do you think RC's continuous bringing up of his meta is at all scummy?

Do you think ICE's association tell thing is productive?

this one is just enough for voting you. trying to change the wagon is not a townish move

ICEninja · Post Post #286 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:25 pm

RC defended her "I'm not scum for using meta defense" with a meta defense.

I don't care that I don't know you, I don't use meta. You're being slightly scummy by pushing what you do and don't do as scum in

other

games because

you could very well be ACTIVELY playing differently to fit what is expected of you based on your meta

in

this

game.

It's a classic poker strategy, and you're good enough at this game to pull something like that off.

I'm not saying this

makes

you scum, but you are using a strategy that is more helpful for scum to use than town. You're also being alignment-null irritating by using a meta defense to try to convince me that using meta defense isn't scummy, and you continue to try to 1v1 me instead of scum hunting while simultaneously complaining that defending yourself is preventing you from scum hunting. If you're town, then start finding scum.

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ABR wrote:
The walls of text in this game are demotivating me. Let's make a lynch happen.

This is basically what happened the last game we played together, and you dipped. If you don't play this game, this'll be the last one we play together.

A Simple Plan · Post Post #287 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:41 pm

This game is moving pretty nicely, and I haven't had the chance to catch up. I've read through the first page and a half or so, and all I've gotten to so far is this post, which strikes me as slightly odd.

In post 17, talah wrote:
In post 13, Frozen Angel wrote: very nice reasoning to make a wagon SO fast SO early ... So your saying we should lynch whoever we don't played before to just sort them out ...

2 votes is the start of a wagon, sure. Wagonning to get reads is fine until there's something better.

Yeah I'd lynch you at this point. Especially if you have nothing better to contribute than a counter-vote on RC, considering there have been several other things happening.

Edit: hi Titus btw. You scum this game? How am I gonna know...?

See, I understand the thought process, but I don't quite catch singling out Frozen for this, when all Titus had done was counter-vote, and when all I'd done was cast a vote for someone unrelated to anything going on. Why weren't we commented on for similar reasons?

The thing is, overall, I get where the push is coming from, but I don't like it, one for being on the first damn page and out of nothing, two for ignoring other players committing the same or similar offenses, and three for the insanely serious nature during what is clearly meant to be a joking, fun RVS.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #288 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:31 pm

In post 286, ICEninja wrote:If you don't play this game, this'll be the last one we play together.

Why, are you quitting mafiascum?

JohnnyFarrar · Post Post #289 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:15 pm

Oh you

talah · Post Post #290 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:26 pm

In post 287, A Simple Plan wrote:See, I understand the thought process, but I don't quite catch singling out Frozen for this, when all Titus had done was counter-vote, and when all I'd done was cast a vote for someone unrelated to anything going on. Why weren't we commented on for similar reasons?

The thing is, overall, I get where the push is coming from, but I don't like it, one for being on the first damn page and out of nothing, two for ignoring other players committing the same or similar offenses, and three for the insanely serious nature during what is clearly meant to be a joking, fun RVS.

Catch up. Also re-read what you already have in the context of my intent to get information from wagoning.
You don't actually seem to understand the thought process or what actually happened.

How was I "singling out Frozen" when I was the second on her vote to create a wagon (the definition of wagon here is poor but I'll accept it because it was my intent to create one anyway) - long before any of you including Frozen had posted?

Also, read the below.

In post 216, ICEninja wrote:
talah wrote:
I'm not sure what the point of your question is to be honest. Pretty straighforward unless you actually think my intent was to somehow speedlynch.

You presented yourself as if you were interested in a speedlynch. You have still yet to unvote and are continuing to say that the player you originally stated this about is scum.

It makes me wonder if you weren't legitimately interested in a speedlynch.

A wagon's purpose is to get information either from the (random) wagon target or folks who would jump on for bad reasons.
There are certain other cases where you have a strong RVS-read and are prepared to lynch just based on that.

Given that I had no read (could not have) in forming the wagon obviously I didn't have an RVS-read. (I also have no previous awareness of Frozen at all).

So what you're saying here is: In having a townish intention and follow-through to an RVS wagon - talah is scummy and might have been wanting a speedlynch for then townishly pushing on and interpreting reactions from, his random wagon target.

Is that really making sense to you?

talah · Post Post #291 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:27 pm

In post 288, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 286, ICEninja wrote:If you don't play this game, this'll be the last one we play together.

Why, are you quitting mafiascum?

Hi.

Why are you scumreading JF?

talah · Post Post #292 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:29 pm

In post 204, Frozen Angel wrote:And I'm repeating this :
I never said why are you voting me

What does this mean.
Are you trying to say that this makes you town.

Frozen Angel · Post Post #293 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:32 pm

no I'm just saying that your really trying hard to misrep me. and I don't like it

JohnnyFarrar · Post Post #294 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:38 pm

You still catching up Talah?

talah · Post Post #295 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:42 pm

In post 293, Frozen Angel wrote:no I'm just saying that your really trying hard to misrep me. and I don't like it

You focussed on my vote really hard entering the thread and I don't remember saying you'd asked about why I was voting you.

Would it be a scumtell if you did ask why? I don't think so and I don't get why you keep saying this.
And I mainly don't get why you said it in the first place.

talah · Post Post #296 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:43 pm

In post 294, JohnnyFarrar wrote:You still catching up Talah?

Nah I'm not going to bother scouring. I'm just responding briefly to Taly's ICE/Wickan/FA thoughts in a separate post.
Shoot!

JohnnyFarrar · Post Post #297 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:47 pm

It's Wick stuff I want so I'll wait

talah · Post Post #298 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:51 pm

Wickan I'm tending town on mainly for his initial push *off* me surprisingly. He's a less-preferred compromise atm.

Also we have 3 weeks in a dayphase if you're not aware. We should be setting shorter consensus end of day targets IMO.

Frozen Angel · Post Post #299 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:53 pm

In post 295, talah wrote:
In post 293, Frozen Angel wrote:no I'm just saying that your really trying hard to misrep me. and I don't like it

You focussed on my vote really hard entering the thread and I don't remember saying you'd asked about why I was voting you.

Would it be a scumtell if you did ask why? I don't think so and I don't get why you keep saying this.
And I mainly don't get why you said it in the first place.

basicly I didn't

and I knew why are you voting me , you explained it pretty well when you did that.

I said it in first place because of this misrep :

In post 33, talah wrote:I think you've had nothing but problems with my vote. I didn't see you "clearly state" you had no problems with it.

my reasoning about voting was clear. you can go back and see them.