Mini 1742: game over

[Frozen Angel]

sorting you out* :///// I hate english

[RadiantCowbells]

Which is to say, you want me to make a full case on Titus?

[Frozen Angel]

nah your doing good.

Titus - wiccon relation is like 70% confirmed in my eyes

[RadiantCowbells]

Which is to say that you want me to do what then?

[Frozen Angel]

For now do what satisfies you. you help me read people with your aggressive style.

[RadiantCowbells]

In return, will you vote Titus with me?

You're already 70% on the connection, please? <3

[Frozen Angel]

In return, will you vote Titus with me?

You're already 70% on the connection, please? <3

hmm , can I stay with my vote at least for some time lord RC ?

I like to see how how wiccon continue his aggressive defense...

@wiccon whats your read on titus (again?- if I missed your post about her) ?

[RadiantCowbells]

Lord RC accepts your plea for clemency and will allow you to continue voting Wiccon at this time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're delusional if you're town but I'm banking on cheeky scum

[Titus]

ABR loves to not give reasons for shit. As scum he's more apologetic and justifies a lot. Infuriating but still.

FA, we're both town lols. Your vote still sucks.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're making an argument to me like I'm town while your entire case on everything depends on me being scum.

Interesting

[RadiantCowbells]

I note that you have said absolutely nothing to justify your "my vote is shit" comment to me and have basically just ignored it because you know you can say nothing to do it justice.

I also note that your case for Wicked being town is absolute rubbish.

I shall smite thee, thy scummy heathen.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm going to reread Ice since apparently he has tons of content and I should have a read on him.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well, usually I'm *that* guy that goes in deep on the first page or two but looks like we've got someone already doing it for me. Awesome. Gives me a chance to say "hello" to the handful of players here who I recognize from the old days.

Vote Wickan

. How is it scum motivated to push for information gathering regardless of what page it is?

Good.

The thing that's the most interesting to me is how Wickan's wagon got going hard super fast, to L-1. Johnny's push makes total sense and I like his vote, but Taly and Frozen Angel hopped on SUPER fast. The way the wagon stormed ahead really feels like scum got opportunistic and hopped on, and it really looks like either Taly or Frozen. Taly's post 66 looks like scum realizing this and backing out before getting caught too soon. That combined with Frozen seeming more likely town than scum in the 1v1 with talah means Taly is probscum.

This is interesting and looks very town, but I'm fairly sure it's misguided.

Not quoting 80 because it's a monstrosity but the 1v1 between Taly and Ice looks extremely TvT to me.
Particularly from Ice's part, but Taly seems pretty decent too.

Same goes #96. RIDICULOUSLY towny.

One of the big hallmarks of scum play is they so frequently admit things are possible, or that something makes sense for them as scum, only to brush it off in the next sentence. Town has absolutely no business saying this at all because if you already KNOW you're town then that thought wouldn't even enter your head, let alone "confuse" you enough to post it.

I legitimately feel like this was a substantial scum slip, as it shows insight in to a thought process that someone with a town role PM simply wouldn't have had.

A scum flip here would be extremely telling in regards to Taly too.

Unvote, Vote Wickan. This should be L-2.

This is both awesome and town, but not necessarily true.

I've thought along such lines before.

I'm not reading Ice anymore. That's town.

[RadiantCowbells]

So yeah, I glossed over most of Ice's content between the funeral, entertaining my cousins and just generally not being in the mood to sift through walls, but now that it comes down to reading it I'm pretty close to positive that he's town here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Whoa....dude.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus having Taly as confirmed town over IceNinja in this game really doesn't sit right with me.

Not that, like, anything she does or says does, but.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sorry for your loss.

[RadiantCowbells]

My loss? I didn't know him extremely well and I see him fairly little. I can live without him.

What's hard for me is watching my mom cry and my grandmother fall apart because she feels like she failed him and julia dealing with not having her father.

That I can't deal with.

[RadiantCowbells]

TL;DR don't kill yourselves people.

[Taly]

Scum is in

RC Taly Ice Johnny Talah ASP

Gut says nope to talah asp so like 10 there
Johnny I would only vote deadline against myself

There that's my reads till we get a flip or someone else obvtowns. :-p

You wanted more townreads here you go Italy. Lols.

Italy is my name for when I go insane mid-game. Not quite there yet.

But yeah.... The fact that you'd only vote Johnny against yourself Is very survivalistic - which in itself is an idea to set-up a dichotomy - the fact that you won't explain your townreads in depth feels like you're leaving options open and keeping people guessing.

It doesn't help because talah and Johnny have been townread a lot so far, and tbh - talah is nulltown at best because she hasn't added anything beyond FA, Ice, or Wickan - or in general, beyond several pages ago.

Your reads so far seem mostly gut... Which does make sense in forming D1; but that's most of the back-up for why you want to push the people you do now. I can't tell where your head is at.

There's a lot to look at to understand someone more in depth - and to help pursue a wagon you want, tbh - but you're not doing much about that, you seem concerned with other things.

Reading between the lines is scumhunting Taly sorry to bother you.

I mean, I'm voting you because I want to see that? Not a lot is changing my read so far. Mind giving reasons?

Furthermore, you never said why Ice was a good wagon to pursue - beyond my previous post wanting reasons.

He's not scum. Nor is FA. Nor is ABR. I won't vote em. Would rather NL or be lynched myself.

I can see FA town, but meh.... Wouldn't want to sort FA right now, too many other people that I have a stronger opinion of, and growing.

The confidence in your gut reads kind of bother me.... Maybe we just take gut reads in differently; but you really have not done much of anything to sort ABR beyond just dismissing the possibility of read him and think he's town.

Also, what the fuck? You'd rather NL and get yourself lynched?

........

How is this town? Do I really need to point out the many reasons why this is scummy?

You could be a major townbeard...

Wth does townbeard mean?

scummy as hell ^

You're delusional if you're town but I'm banking on cheeky scum

The pot calling the kettle black.

Try engaging with me - Titus Drone.

>>>>

RC is a bit null, but there posts seem genuine to me... The only thing is that he keeps switching wagons. If you're going to vote Wickan or go on Titus; it'd be much helpful staying on one and working with that more...

Also RC - I'm sorry for what happened.

*hugs*

Furthermore Titus; if you want to compare me and my only scum game - let me link the game and point out all the differences in this game to that:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=63741 - My game as mafia with RC.

1)

I was very inactive; I only made 30 posts in the whole 2 months of that thread, and I've already succeeded that amount and it's not even a week yet. I do intentionally go inactive and flake to derail suspicion.

Have you seen me hide from anything?

2)

The fact that you just want to call me scum for saying RC's RVS vote was still on a townread - but not voting - is a huge exaggeration compared to how thoroughly I ignored RC that game. And several posts in this game so far, is me trying to gauge for RC's attention if you didn't see.

3)

RC has been VLA a lot, and from what we know see - is from very legitimate reasons, tell me how RC and I are plotting this mastermind scum-game when we interact completely differently than before.

And if you want to say that I'm still scum - only more comfortable on my SECOND GAME AS MAFIA, which is why I am like the way that I am....

Titus, you've seen town-me at least twice. Do you think I'm trying to pull punches, or not? >_>

Also RC, anytime you - or anyone else that wants to put me back into the inquisition chair - I'm all for it.

[Wickan]

- accusing others is not scummy. being offensive when people are accusing you too hard is indeed.
- so you accept your not playing good? thats not townish.
- that's just categorizing not reading. I want your full / detailed reads bro.

1) I want to clarify which definition of "offensive" you mean here. Do you mean that I'm attacking others when I'm being accused? Yes, I do that. No, I don't see why that is scummy.

2) I mean, it's not actually scummy either. I'm clearly playing poorly regardless of my alignment, as everybody thinks I'm scum. That's what I meant.

3) Be more specific please. Again, I think I've provided my thoughts on near everybody at this point.

Also, for the record, you're calling this an aggressive defense? Do you think I'm being overly aggressive right now?


@RC: I am also incredibly sorry. It really really sucks.

The Titus wagon seems predicated on the fact that she's not giving detailed reasons. I am misunderstanding?

On a lighter note: Is there some sort of game going to see how many different ways there are to misspell my name before I crack?

[Titus]

Titus having Taly as confirmed town over IceNinja in this game really doesn't sit right with me.

Not that, like, anything she does or says does, but.

Umm what? Taly isn't confirmed town.

[Titus]

@Taly, I engage but hate walls this game.

Self meta is accurate probably but meta *farts*. You're ignoring your initial opening of RC is scum but vote Wickan.

@RC Sorry for your loss.

[talah]

talah is nulltown at best because she hasn't added anything beyond FA, Ice, or Wickan - or in general, beyond several pages ago.

Sheesh, talk about your arrows to the heart. And here I was thinking we had nice confident townreads going on one another.

Anyway, I've done a bit more than that actually. I have JohnnyF as town, you as town, Titus townleaning and ABR some nullscum bullshit I can't read unless he decides to play the game. Simple Plan might be lurker-scum.

RC can be town just on principle. I don't see any deceptiveness coming from that area.
Ice I'm going to put back to null for now but I have some interest in getting something better. I've just been lazy and busy.
Frozen I might be mistaken on as scum but I'm keeping an eye on it.

I'll add to that, that what I'm seeing from Titus appears to be classic Titus town play - very little explanation you can actually follow and attempting to lead town with bravado. Surprisingly her possible-scumpool has both ICE and A Simple Plan in it - and although I'd prefer Frozen and ABR in there as well - realistically I'm rethinking both ICE and Frozen so I don't really have a beef with her.

So that's where I'm up to right now. Also I'm probably going to be casual / sporadic with this game I've decided (and this may just be a general playstyle change for me so that I can play mafia consistently rather than in huge work-heavy spurts), so get used to it.