Mini 1742: game over

[mykonian]

votecount

Wickan (3): Frozen Angel, ICEninja, Albert B. Rampage
A Simple Plan (3): talah, Titus, JohnnyFarrar
Titus (2): Taly, RadiantCowbells
Taly (1): Wickan

not voting (1): A Simple Plan

[Taly]

So..... I have some time to put down my thoughts on SP since he's posting more, and my thinking right now.

Spoiler: Me on SP

I keep looking at SPs ISO... The only main problem I have with his posts so far - other than inactivity - is that he somewhat says what has already been said - and what he's said himself, is really not developed or thoughtful. Whether that's flake town or scum shadowing I don't know yet.

Example - 519 - His Wickan read is really bad.... Like, that's the only post of Wickan he's seen since RVS and he just wants to come in and say that he's town? That just looks like he's trying to get attention off of something.

He puts out that Titus and RC was TvT. (Still 519) I can see that, yet - I don't know where the rationale of it is coming from - especially since he said that he was wrong about that before - but puts a townlean on both anyway...

Then there's his ABR townread, which is based off meta for the most part. But a few people have already scumread ABR because of his meta this game... yet the games he's linked have also had other players in this game in them. Something is weird about this picture.

This is the biggest thing that grabs me, and makes me compelled to the idea that he's more likely scum:

For now, as mentioned in my ABR post, consider this post a pseudo-vote on ICE because I don't have a fucking clue what the VC is at and don't want to derp-hammer.

Apparently everyone, according to the most recent vote count (and every prior one back to page two)

It's that my ABR townread mimics Talah's wording almost exactly, which is a right shitty case argument if you ask me. Like I said, I didn't even read the posts mine mimics until Talah explicitly quoted them.

I didn't say I was town reading you. I didn't say I was agreeing with people who explicitly did. I said I was agreeing that I wasn't voting you today, which seems to mirror EVERYBODY because the last VC with a vote on you was on page two. You're putting words in my mouth.

He says that he doesn't know what the VC is like.

Then says that he agreed with everyone on the most recent VC - if it's about ABR, then I don't know why or how ABR is universally townread.

Says that his ABR townread mimics Talah's but says that he didn't read Talahs posts about it until she quoted?

Then says that he didn't say he townread talah - but agreed he wouldn't vote her today given that everybody won't vote her?

I'm not understanding this exactly. And it irks me that SP seems to still defend and go back and forth with talah seeing as how he's only read specific snippets of this game which gives me a weird feeling. It doesn't feel like town.

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I would say that I'm still getting a scumread on Wickan.... Titus is very scummy in my eyes, but I keep thinking on whether she could be town and we're just bitchfighting again.... I'm very wary of ABR, and I doubt SP is town

Though.. I know at least 1-2 of these people are town. Which makes me want to re-evaluate some thing here.

I'm still down for a Titus lynch atm, but SP has caught my eye...

Eck.....

Johnny, talah, RC - I'd be very happy to have a conversation with you guys atm.

[talah]

I'm around-ish but about to walk out for a bit.
Happy to riff :D

In your spoiler:

For now, as mentioned in my ABR post, consider this post a pseudo-vote on ICE because

I don't have a fucking clue what the VC is at

and don't want to derp-hammer.

Apparently everyone,

according to the most recent vote count

(and every prior one back to page two)

Again a direct contradiction from SP. Says he has NFI where the votecount's at so doesn't want to derp-hammer, then expresses an awareness of the current votecount.

Those quotes were different posts though. I'd almost buy that he went back to the VCs afterward (for some reason), but later he says he's "agreeing" to townread me because he was aware of the votecount at the time (the first quote you have there includes him saying he won't vote me).

And talking about that - claiming to have not read my posts to any significant degree -

why are you confident that I'm not a player worth lynching today?

Why do you know the votecounts but not what I've posted?

-As I've specified, I know where the ISO button is, and I know how to ISO the mod.

It's not hard to watch the vote count progress.

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So he's simultaneously saying he knew nothing about the votecount when he towned me, then saying that he towned me because he knew about the votecount (and was agreeing with consensus).
That only occured to me now reading your post.

I want his will-lynch / won't lynch list.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Yo

[Taly]

I'm around-ish but about to walk out for a bit.
Happy to riff

<3

In your spoiler:

For now, as mentioned in my ABR post, consider this post a pseudo-vote on ICE because

I don't have a fucking clue what the VC is at

and don't want to derp-hammer.

Apparently everyone,

according to the most recent vote count

(and every prior one back to page two)

Again a direct contradiction from SP. Says he has NFI where the votecount's at so doesn't want to derp-hammer, then expresses an awareness of the current votecount.

Those quotes were different posts though. I'd almost buy that he went back to the VCs afterward (for some reason), but later he says he's "agreeing" to townread me because he was aware of the votecount at the time (the first quote you have there includes him saying he won't vote me).

OK, yeah - I'm piecing things together.

I'm just a little unsure, since he could have went to the VCs afterward... But I'd rather have him respond to my original read post on him before I do something with my vote.

And talking about that - claiming to have not read my posts to any significant degree -

why are you confident that I'm not a player worth lynching today?

Why do you know the votecounts but not what I've posted?

-As I've specified, I know where the ISO button is, and I know how to ISO the mod.

It's not hard to watch the vote count progress.

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So he's simultaneously saying he knew nothing about the votecount when he towned me, then saying that he towned me because he knew about the votecount (and was agreeing with consensus).
That only occured to me now reading your post.

I want his will-lynch / won't lynch list.

Can you see Wickan+SP scum?

If he's lynched, and somehow flips town - I'm not exactly sure how to work off of that. (Which is where my uncertainty breeds from) So I think seeing his list would be good.

Also talah, what do you think about Titus? A lot of what I'm seeing looks scummy, but Titus and I don't play similar at all despite alignment.... What do you think about our 1v1?

And what are your thoughts on RC?

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@Johnny

I probably missed part of this, but you've had your vote on Wickan for a good portion of this day so far

But the you changed to SP

Can you explain that?

Also, are you interested in a Titus lynch today?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Got bored switched vote. Totally still on board for Wick

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've no interest in voting Titus out at the moment.

[A Simple Plan]

The most recent vote count before my catchup post, according to the ISO, was page 19. I didn't look to see who voted or unvoted who in those last two pages. I read 21, but none of 19 or 20 save for that vote count. For all I knew, there had been X number of ICE votes on 19/20 and mine would've been hammer.

[JohnnyFarrar]

You'd have to convince me on Titus, prolly not.

[ICEninja]

Interesting catch, Taly.

Toss Simple Plan behind Wickan and Titus on my "good to lynch today" pile.

I don't see enough support for a Titus wagon, which is fine because I prefer Wickan anyway. Titus, at the moment, is a better lynch than Simple Plan in my eyes though.

Don't expect to see my vote anywhere else though today.

[Taly]

@Johnny

Eh... Straight forward and simple...

I ISOed you a bit; I assume you're alright with a Titus lynch - but of course, prefer Wickan?

I'm trying to narrow lynch options here atm. I'm losing some faith in Titus being lynched at this point, RC isn't on - and Titus isn't really responsive to me, beyond that - part of me isn't entirely certain of her.

*The more I p-edit.... Yeah... Titus lynch probably won't happen today, and I'm losing interest in it myself versus the other two candidates.

UNVOTE: Titus

So there's Wickan and SP...

Conversely, Wickans wagon has been the top for the majority of the day - which I already said makes me nervous because both town and scumreads of mine have voted there. The thing is, Wickan hasn't really fought his wagon... and the idea that he's voted for me this long - someone who unvoted on him early - makes wonder if there's scum-scum interaction going on.

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ABR, whats your read on SP?

The most recent vote count before my catchup post, according to the ISO, was page 19. I didn't look to see who voted or unvoted who in those last two pages. I read 21, but none of 19 or 20 save for that vote count. For all I knew, there had been X number of ICE votes on 19/20 and mine would've been hammer.

OK.... I'm not sure why Ice would have been lynched in those pages since he was at L-3, but that's where his wagon peaked - so I see what you're saying.

Plus, I don't think you've caught up to this game? You haven't read so much...

Who would you vote today, and who would you not?

@Ice

I'm not going on Wick yet, I want to see SP a bit more before I'm sure.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, whats your read on SP?

Not someone I'm interested in lynching in the foreseeable future.

[RadiantCowbells]

Please noooo

[Albert B. Rampage]

Please noooo

Who do you think is Titus' partner?

[RadiantCowbells]

One of yourself, Wickan, or ASP.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're in luck! Wickan and ASP are the leading bandwagons!

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, but I'm not sure which of the two I want to lynch.

It's a hard decision and I really want to hit scum D1 because I feel like if we don't I won't have momentum to lynch either the others or Titus in the future.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hint: it's Wickan

[Frozen Angel]

wickan - titus! as I said so!

I'm 72% sure about it (got additional 2% from last time )

[RadiantCowbells]

How are you calculating these percentages, Sarah?

[Frozen Angel]

its my gut calculator

but siriously. the way titus buddied wickan. the way wickan responded to that. I can't sum it up

[Taly]

ABR, whats your read on SP?

Not someone I'm interested in lynching in the foreseeable future.

Interesting... Why?

Do you find their contradictions come from scum or town - or see them at all?

Please noooo

Sorry RC :c It didn''t look like people were going for Titus today.

One of yourself, Wickan, or ASP.

Do you see Wickan+SP scum? Or ABR scum with any of SP or Wickan?

I mean, without Titus' influence?

Yeah, but I'm not sure which of the two I want to lynch.

It's a hard decision and I really want to hit scum D1 because I feel like if we don't I won't have momentum to lynch either the others or Titus in the future.

Yeah... We need this.

Plus, is your scumread on Titus mostly gut - or is it something else?

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If Talah wants an SP lynch I'd like for her to come in here now. Otherwise, I'm starting to get a feel for Wickans lynch.

Oddly enough - I feel like me putting Wickan to L-2 would just make others flashlynch him unless he says something now.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's gut plus a bunch of comparisons to her meta plus a lot of stuff she says just rings hollow and insincere.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Interesting... Why?

Do you find their contradictions come from scum or town - or see them at all?

I don't see it. If there are contradictions, they are minor enough to disregard.

[Titus]

I am going to vote scum and just watch all of y'all implode.