***Mini Normal 1744 - Country Music Mafia - Game Over***

[golden009]

VOTE: BL0ODK1NG

Let's not.

[golden009]

VOTE: BL0ODK1NG

Let's not.

You realize you in turn are doing what you are saying not too

The difference is that it seemed like you were voting just to start a bandwagon, while I'm voting... because you're trying to start a bandwagon.

[golden009]

Are bandwagons scummy?

Not bandwagons themselves. However, I'd think that an attempted bandwagon after one post is semi-scummy.

I'd like to hear Cow's response to this.

[golden009]

Well, it's in his name.

Although do you really say "hey guys I'm town" with first post? That seems either noob, commited to roleplay to the point of absurdity, or sorta scummy.

[golden009]

Also, care to explain the supercool suspicion?

[golden009]

Well, it's in his name.

Although do you really say "hey guys I'm town" with first post? That seems either noob, commited to roleplay to the point of absurdity, or sorta scummy.

I wasn't asking him why he was role playing unless claiming to be an ice cream flavor is role playing.

So what you're saying is that we're on the same page?

[golden009]

Yeah, at this point, I feel more comfortable with voting Roleplay than 8100|)|(!|\\|6 (Bloodking). UNVOTE: Blo0dk1ng However, I'll wait until Roleplay actually reveals his reasoning on his scumtells (besides talkative=scum, which is a classic noob mistake) to vote him out. Remember, we've got two weeks. Anything can happen.

[golden009]

Yeah, at this point, I feel more comfortable with voting Roleplay than

8100|)|(!|\\|6 (Bloodking)

. UNVOTE: Blo0dk1ng However, I'll wait until Roleplay actually reveals his reasoning on his scumtells (besides talkative=scum, which is a classic noob mistake) to vote him out. Remember, we've got two weeks. Anything can happen.

What. ???

And yea, I agree. But may the OMGUS be with us.

I literally just used a leet-to-english translator lol

[golden009]

Hey guys, I'm town.

Got it.

*marks RC down as ULTRA-SUPER-MEGA-TOWN*

[golden009]

Let's all just treat RC like an innocent child and move on with our days, shall we?
In all seriousness I don't think scum would claim town because that just attracts cops and what'not.

True. However, roleplay seems like a noob. He has only one game on here which is in N2 right now and has "lots of playtime" on Town of Salem, which is fine and all, but isn't forum Mafia. I'll wait for him to make a few more posts before voting.

[golden009]

Again, Roleplay's definitely on the top of my scumlist. Again, I'll wait for him to explain himself before I vote (random bandwagons are dumb).

[golden009]

I'm going to bed, see you in 8 hours if anything has changed.

[golden009]

What is "OMGUS"?

Dwlee is a villain, and must certainly die! For he has revealed it through his actions. He votes early, showing that he is happy to throw his vote around, but then when I behave what he believes is oddly, he turns to golden009 to ask golden009 what he thinks. But does he act when golden009 helps confirm his suspicions? No! He acts only when I take action first.

Villains cannot kill good guys without the support of other good guys! Dwlee is not seeking to learn if I am a villain, he is seeking to see if there is support for killing me! Dwlee is most certainly a hideous villain, and should be exiled from this town.

I'm sorry, what?
VOTE: RolePlay25

[golden009]

So that's L-1, if I'm counting correctly.

[golden009]

Love when people make vote counts and ruin my reaction tests. ffssss

Plus you already voted.

[golden009]

Golden's reactions are scummy as hell.

39 shows they want to vote Roleplay but want to hold back their vote for some reason.
62 makes me think golden might just be scum alone rather than with Roleplay. After all this about "not voting them out" Golden is suddenly willing to put a player at L-1?

I like golden007's style:

I think I'm dying.

Who is this Golden007 you speak of? In all seriousness, Roleplay had only two posts at 39, and despite my hunch, two posts, IMO, is not enough to make a reliable scumread. However, after Page 3, I felt like that was enough to vote Roleplay. That it was L-1 was something I realized (erroneously) after my vote. I'm just as interested with the fakequickhammer as you are, TBH. I'd like to ask Dwlee about that "reaction test".

In terms of experience, I come on here about every six months, make a new account, completely forget about my other accounts, play a game, and then lose interest again. So in other words, I'm rusty.

[golden009]

Okie cool acryon.
Golden, you said you would like to ask me about my test.. but you dont??

Dwlee, why did you fake the quickhammer? From my (not much) experience, it seems that those only increase suspicion on the person making them instead of actually getting anything done.

[golden009]

For reactions. Youd be surprised at how many people make bah posts. Like town might say "Why would you lynch me I was a cop!!!" or something.

I would be surprised, considering that I've never really seen that work.

[golden009]

For reactions. Youd be surprised at how many people make bah posts. Like town might say "Why would you lynch me I was a cop!!!" or something.

I would be surprised, considering that I've never really seen that work.

Well, as you said, you're rusty right? Can't use your rustyness as a reason to not look into your posts but then expect your ideas of what works and what doesn't to be correct.

Fair enough. I just wouldn't have expected that part of the meta to change.

[golden009]

Lots of people say lots of things. They all sound believable to me to some degree. Like, all of it. I feel lost ...

Here are my "trying to make stuff happen" reads, in order of "trying hardest" to "hardly trying":

Dwlee99
RolePlay25
Super
Cow
acryon
Keyser Soze
RadiantCowbells
golden009
Neumune
MarioManiac4
Bloodking
Diego


Here are my "seems sincere" reads, in order of "most believable" to "sketchiest":

acyron
MarioManiac4
Cow
Super
RolePlay25
Dwlee99
Diego
Bloodking
golden009
Keyser Soze
Neumune
RadiantCowbells

Here are my "heebie jeebies" reads, in order for "scares the sh** out of me" to "harmless":

Keyser Soze
RadiantCowbells
RolePlay25
acryon 8
Super
Neumune
MarioManiac4
Dwlee99
Cow
Bloodking
Diego

Now, how do I intersect these lists to find scum?

I noticed that I'm not on that last list.

[golden009]

I'm actually unlimited-per-day dayvig so

[golden009]

Golden, I am having difficulty understanding any train of logic. Where Dwlee does interesting things, Golden seems to discuss his lack of experience! Regardless of experience or lack, there is no attempt to be a detective! He still has not asked me anything!

First of all, does roleplaying make the game any more fun for you? For me, it seems more antitown than anything.
B. What happened to that out-of-nowhere supercool suspicion?
3. Can you understand sarcasm?
Four; Why not vote for me if you "don't understand my logic"? (Yes, I get the irony.)
Fifthly: Was there anything besides Dwlee stopping antagonizing you that contributed to your scumread?

[golden009]

I have enjoyed your posts this game! I can't imagine trying to find other games by you so I have not read them. There are hundreds of games on this site!

No problem. For the record, I never read old games either, meta be damned. Just the thought of it nearly puts me to sleep.

Personally, I love reading old games. Coincidentally, the last one I read had Keyser and Dwlee as scumbuddies...

Golden, I am having difficulty understanding any train of logic. Where Dwlee does interesting things, Golden seems to discuss his lack of experience! Regardless of experience or lack, there is no attempt to be a detective! He still has not asked me anything!

First of all, does roleplaying make the game any more fun for you? For me, it seems more antitown than anything.
B. What happened to that out-of-nowhere supercool suspicion?
3. Can you understand sarcasm?
Four; Why not vote for me if you "don't understand my logic"? (Yes, I get the irony.)
Fifthly: Was there anything besides Dwlee stopping antagonizing you that contributed to your scumread?

First, I am enjoying being a detective! It is immersive! I always dislike how town of salem is not an immersive experience!

Second, I believe my previous post should answer this!

The third point seems rhetorical. I do not see as it helps!

The fourth point, I believe my previous post should answer this!

The fifth point, I am not understanding.

The third and fourth points are linked. It seems like the only reason you suspect Keyser is because of a clearly sarcastic "I like your style" quote. On the fifth point, it seems like the only reason you've stopped suspecting Dwlee is because he stopped suspecting you. Is there any other reason besides him stopping tunneling (even though the "tunneling" was less severe then what you're saying).

Also, what I'm talking about in that second point is your first post in the thread, where you say you suspect supercool. Of course, you don't actually vote which means that that's a useless, no-read piece of information.

On other people:
Keyser seems townish, although I'm automatically wary of votes for me.
I can't get much of a read on Dwlee at this point. Scum Dwlee and Town Dwlee could both do the exact posts that he's made in this game and they'd both have legitimate trains of thought. That mildly scares me.
Also, short read list because I really need to go to sleep and do IRL stuff: Bji's null, RC hasn't been contributing too much, Supercool's townish, Cow's townish, everybody else I might post later.

[golden009]

Question: Why is everybody accusing TheCow of actively lurking when it seems like RadiantCowbells has been doing the same thing? I mean, let's look through this.

9: RVS

35, 44, 50: Sarcastic replies that don't add anything to the conversation. 50 also has a "vote" that doesn't mean anything.

122: "Sarcastically" claiming that he doesn't have to scumhunt.

124, 127, 130: Confusion. Why would a town-aligned person do this? I mean, yeah, "for funsies" and all, but at least try to scumhunt instead of making things harder for the rest of us.

141: Saying to "vote me" because of those lists. Again, how does this help town?

143, 146, 148: Responding somewhat abrasively to Keyser's reaction, even though all Keyser was saying was that he didn't want that kind of thing in the game (which I sort of agree with, although there is a line between a sarcastic claim and a true claim).

151, 164: Fluff.


How, in any way, has RC helped town in these posts? All it seems like is that he's looking active and making friends instead of actually, you know, scumhunting. In addition, Roleplay has looked somewhat less suspicious in the last couple pages, mainly because of his actual analysis and trying to get the game moving. For that reason, I would like to UNVOTE: Roleplay25 and VOTE: RadiantCowbells.

[golden009]

While I admire an attempt to bring attention to a member of the town who has remained outside the public eye - for such an activity prevents the mystery from degrading into circular reasoning from a small number of detectives - is this the limitation of your thoughts about the last few pages?

Of course not. I might make a larger post when I have time, but I'm not sure if I'll say anything that hasn't already been said.

[golden009]

Roleplay, do you want me lynched? because it seems like you're encouraging Keyser to join my bandwagon.

[golden009]

I'm not dead, don't worry. Just that finals are in 4 days, so don't expect as much activity from me.

[golden009]

Short post because I actually need to get work done:

I didn't really know about RC's meta before this game. May I have some evidence that this is just "RC being RC" and not scum fluff and nothing posts?

[golden009]

If I see sufficient evidence on that front, then I'll unvote.

[golden009]

Golden's reactions are scummy as hell.

39 shows they want to vote Roleplay but want to hold back their vote for some reason.
62 makes me think golden might just be scum alone rather than with Roleplay. After all this about "not voting them out" Golden is suddenly willing to put a player at L-1?

I like golden007's style:

I think I'm dying.

Who is this Golden007 you speak of? In all seriousness, Roleplay had only two posts at 39, and despite my hunch, two posts, IMO, is not enough to make a reliable scumread. However, after Page 3, I felt like that was enough to vote Roleplay. That it was L-1 was something I realized (erroneously) after my vote. I'm just as interested with the fakequickhammer as you are, TBH. I'd like to ask Dwlee about that "reaction test".

In terms of experience, I come on here about every six months, make a new account, completely forget about my other accounts, play a game, and then lose interest again. So in other words, I'm rusty.

So why don't you vote your non-reliable scumread?
What did you feel tipped the scales enough to make an L-1 vote?
Do you remember the names of any previous accounts? This could be helpful.

1. Because it was 2 posts in for role play and 2 posts basically means nothing.
2. The fact that there was more evidence for Roleplay's scumminess, which corresponded with my gut read. (Although that might have been confirmation bias).
3. Nope. I'm usually golden009 on other forums, though.

[golden009]

It'll pick back up after the weekend, don't worry.

[golden009]

I leave for a day and this happens. I'm reading through now.

[golden009]

If I see sufficient evidence on that front, then I'll unvote.

Found sufficient evidence?

I think so. In scum games RC tends to self-meta more. However, meta can be changed. As Keyser said, I'd prefer RC over nobody, but both of the current wagons have legitimate reasons. UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells

IMO, talking about your own meta seems to be a slight (

slight

) scumtell. Saying that "I couldn't be scum, scum me does this" indicates that you are aware of your own meta, and being aware of meta can mean changing meta.

Also, loving the Frozen Angel drama. Not going to vote her, but I'd like to see where this goes in my reading.

[golden009]

since I barely even saw a mention of supercool in your readthrough.

to show how much you skimmed my post :

in first post :

post 42 : that was indeed a fast read list
post 80 : why are you so worried about it? I mean ... he is not a doctor, right?! your afraid of a WIFOM ?
post 83 : you think its just a waste of role or are you role fishing?!
post 100 : god bless me. are you seriously going down through this path?
post 217 : having no solid scum reads mean your avoiding danger of being under town pressure. which is highly scum motivated ...

second post :

post 233 : your speaking of preventing a mis lynch ?!!!! :O I mean a mis lynch?!!! he wasn't even close to the hammer point then.
post 399 : ha?!

An amazing seven posts. With commentary like "god bless me. are you seriously going down this path" and "ha". I don't know how I really could have said this was nothing. To be honest, most of it seems cribbed from the reasons I voted Supercool, making this even more fascinating when you state I am tunneling and doing nothing.

Was I not promised a vote from you? You threaten me and threaten me and threaten me with this action. Where is the vote? I am starting to feel your threats are empty bluster, designed to make me retreat.

I accused him of role fishing , omgus , being afraid of WIFOM , talking about miss lynch's and distancing

Nice buzzwords. Any content to it?

[golden009]

605: lol
608: Fairly sure that's RVS. You can't tell me that you believed that Cow believed that "posting first " is a scumtell instead of an RVS "reason".

Page 26: Meltdowns, yay! Personal insults, yay! Suicide threats, yay!

[golden009]

Also, loving Roleplay's transformation from English detective to American cop.

[golden009]

also golden I asked you about your reads and your responding yays?! :/

Where did you ask me about it?

[golden009]

It's L-2, right? Or did I mess up votecounts again.

Remember that time when I thought I put someone at L-1? That was fun.

This is nonsense.

Gladiate golden009

I wouldn't do this if you would pay ANY attention to Golden.
Instead it's all the FA show when the emotion is the opposite of scummy.

wat

[golden009]

Also, Mariomaniac has been tunneling me literally the entire game, even after I answered your questions.

[golden009]

Also, Mariomaniac has been tunneling me literally the entire game, even after I answered your questions.

Technically, I was only lying about the gladiate.
I still was of the opinion that I would see more focus on Golden and people would start looking at him.

This post is complete BS. You avoid my last post and dismiss me as "tunnelling" as if that somehow makes you town.

You mean this post?

This is nonsense.

Gladiate golden009

I wouldn't do this if you would pay ANY attention to Golden.
Instead it's all the FA show when the emotion is the opposite of scummy.

What am I supposed to say about that? Some people are emotional about mafia. I'm not.

[golden009]

Also, Mariomaniac has been tunneling me literally the entire game, even after I answered your questions.

Technically, I was only lying about the gladiate.
I still was of the opinion that I would see more focus on Golden and people would start looking at him.

This post is complete BS. You avoid my last post and dismiss me as "tunnelling" as if that somehow makes you town.

You mean this post?

This is nonsense.

Gladiate golden009

I wouldn't do this if you would pay ANY attention to Golden.
Instead it's all the FA show when the emotion is the opposite of scummy.

What am I supposed to say about that? Some people are emotional about mafia. I'm not.

The post before that.
You know, the one you

didn't

acknowledge.

The case on acryon is that he wouldn't be stupid enough to believe bji. This would mean you're proposing a Bji/Acryon team, or the accusation makes no sense.
So if the bji/acryon interactions don't look like buddies, we can assume the case is wrong.

Show me the post that you mean.

[golden009]

Country Music Mafia Vote Count 1.12

Acryon - Roleplay, Frozen Angel, Keyser, Dwlee99 (L-3)

Frozen Angel - bji, supercool, Acryon (L-4)
supercool - Malakittens, TheCow, titus (L-4)
golden009 - MarioManiac (L-6)
Keyser - RadiantCowbells (L-6)
RadiantCowbells - golden (L-6)



Not Voting:

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Day 1 Deadline is - (expired on 2015-12-20 20:49:12)

Mod Notes:Nobody is due for prods.

Um, I unvoted Rc.

[golden009]

VOTE: Roleplay25

For reasons that should be obvious.

[golden009]

Explain why I have two votes? I'm voting the read that I've had since page 2. In addition, I never suspected supercool and wasn't even on that wagon.

[golden009]

Dude Roleplay's town.

Explain.

[golden009]

I need a VC to know what Titus is at, since I can't be trusted with vote counts myself.

[golden009]

Don't vote her until I've had time to post my final reads list.

I'm fairly sure tomorrow's lynch is MM because of his weird ass reaction to the guilty but I'm not fully decided.

Fair enough. I still like the RolePlay vote, but I'm also interested in MM.

[golden009]

There's probably a crumb in there somewhere.

/s

[golden009]

Problems with this game of mafia:

Nobody is able to understand sarcasm.

[golden009]

bji, ladies and gentlemen.

Indeed. First person to point out that you're completely full of shit, as is 100% self-evident via your play in this game, must be scum. Were you just waiting to call whoever responded to your bullshit scum?

pedit: Why do you think it was sarcasm? All that RC is doing is playing games to reduce the believability of her own claims. If she's cop, he'd want to be believable, wouldn't he? What would be the point of all of this noise, sarcasm or not? I think he's not serious. He's just fucking around to get his own jollies off. He's screwed around this entire game.

pedit to my pedit: What does "you've already been daykilled" even mean? I have to go look it up ..

I thought that that's what RC was doing also about 30 pages ago. Turns out that it's just RC being RC (and town RC at that, although meta like that can be changed).

pedit: lol

[golden009]

Everyone hear that I changed my gender identity at 10:53 today?

As I already pointed out, your avatar confuses me, on re-read of my post I noticed I was calling you she and I tried to correct it. But I didn't correct it properly. Mea culpa. However, if you'd get an avatar that doesn't present you as a 10 year old girl, that would make things easier for me. Kthx!

Ah yes, the passive-agressive "sorry, but it's really your fault".

[golden009]

Point taken. We're toeing the line here between a legit argument and a snarkfest, though

[golden009]

I'd be more OK with a RolePlay investigation if that comes to pass, to be honest.

[golden009]

Some one just hammer me. I am town but I don't think anyone's going to do critical analysis beyond RC's fakeclaim.

Someone needs to counterclaim if we're going to have meaningful discussion today.

[golden009]

I dunno. We haven't heard from everybody yet about this.

Oh yes, unofficial VC (I'm probably going to mess this up)

Titus: RadiantCowbells, Frozen Angel, Acryon, Dwlee99 (L-2)
Roleplay25: Golden009, bji (L-4)
RadiantCowbells: Titus (L-5)

Not Voting: Everybody else

[golden009]

I'm not gonna lie.
I want to vote Titus and end today.

RC said he needed time to post his full reads list (because he's getting lynched tonight if he's really a cop). However, I'll switch my vote after that happens.

[golden009]

Is correcting the mod's spelling a bannable offense?

sorry was in a hurry lol

[golden009]

nopenopenope

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

please don't fakeclaim

[golden009]

Also, there's a huge difference between fakeclaiming and reaction testing.

I did not intend to see Titus lynched today and went to great pains to ensure that it did not happen.

You said you were cop. Nobody counterclaimed you. Basically everybody trusted you. Dwlee and Mariomaker seemed eager to lynch Titus and end the day. I do admit, this has led to some discussion. However, it's still a fake claim.

[golden009]

I'm sure that, were there a real cop (which I sincerely doubt based on the prs already flipped), they would see my insistence that no one L-1 and realize what was going on.

Besides, I'm sure that if there were a real cop they'd have been on BJI or something instead.

But he's a godfather, so GG boiz.

bji is a godfather?

[golden009]

VOTE: golden
Really, RC?
I've seen that you fakeclaimed cop in a New York and did not completely trust it here, but seeing as it is D2 and we have no advantage I thought you wouldn't fakeclaim here.

>points out RC's mistake
>votes me anyway

nice

[golden009]

I think that the first quote in your sig sums this game (and basically every other mafia game) up pretty well.

[golden009]

So?

[golden009]

Drink of choice?

[golden009]

RadiantCowbells - Titus, golden, bji (L-3)

Frozen Angel - acryon, RadiantCowbell (L-4)
RolePlay - malakittens (L-5)
bji - TheCow (L-5)
Acroyn - Frozen Angel (L-5)
malakittens - RolePlay (L-5)
golden009 - MarioManiac (L-5)

Not Voting: Diego1487

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-01-01 21:57:16)

To use an old .gif:



Also, RolePlay, what happened to the nooby, roleplaying you that we saw in the first 10 pages? Disguising your true personality isn't exactly a town-read.

[golden009]

Either stop responding to them and start scumhunting or claim. You're literally just feeding the frenzy, and it's completely useless.

Pedit: I got bored and decided I wanted to win. Roleplaying is more fun when someone will actually step up and be the town leader and you can have actual conversations with them. But you're scum, so why do you care?

Keyser was the town leader. Then he died.

[golden009]

Keyser refused the mantle of leadership, he preferred long analysis to action.

But thanks for telling us why you killed him.

Who do you even think is town? I feel like you've lobbed accusations at basically half of the group right now.

[golden009]

I don't like lobbing accusations at people. I don't trust myself enough to make reliable town/scumreads.

[golden009]

If you don't trust yourself enough to make reliable town/scum reads and don't like accusing people, why do you play mafia? It's a bit like me saying "well, I'm playing scrabble, but I hate trying to spell words and really dislike trying to fit them on a grid"

I like the idea of mafia ("social experiment") more than the actual reality of it, to be honest. Maybe that's why I take so many hiatuses.

[golden009]

As a social experiment then, have you ever seen survivor, like with that one useless tribe member who never takes part in any challenges, never does anything for the group, and just kvetches when they're called out on it?

Isn't that the member that gets taken to the Final 2 because everybody hates them ands ends up with a $100,000 consolation prize?