Blitz 12: Double Trouble! (Game Over)

[Squirrelly]

Id rather not participate in RVS, just to create a point of discussion for you guys to talk about.

<3

Why not participate and generate multiple points of discussion?

[PhantomCobalt]

Let's get a bw rolling.

Why did you want a wagon so soon?

Why not?

[Errantparabola]

You might be misunderstanding me, titus. If i scumread fire i would be voting there.
Still on phone, ill respond to questions in a bit. Sorry.

[Squirrelly]

Nice playing with you again, Ranger, Yakko, Titus, Fire, wanderer, Dwlee.

VOTE: AlwaysInnocent
Saying he's a non-conformist seems like an attempt to look town.

What do you think your greeting looks like to other people? Most every game has people who have played with each other before, but there's not a lot of greetings like yours.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I am currently reading this game, where Ranger was town. Her behavior was somewhat different, though. It seems that she was less inclined to randomly "townread" people without explanation. Not that it tells us that much, since meta-reads are unreliable, but still.

Ranger seems very town Imo. Much like Sudioken and not blitz.

Be bop. Phantom. FB. Always Innocent is my scum pool atm.

Why do you think Ranger is town? You have played with her before, so you must have a meta-read on her or something.

You say meta is shit. Conclude my read must be solely meta.

No comment.

Nope. Those posts are strong town.

Why is throwing around reads without explanation strongly town?

Definitely on the right track with my pool.

Care to address the other reads? Why didn't you ask me my thoughts on you?

You have five people on your list, of which I am one. Why should I be interested in your specific reason for scumreading me? I am more interested in your reason for townreading Ranger, while other people are scumreading her (or at least being suspicious of her).

But you are free to explain why you are scumreading me. You might as well explain the others too.

[Squirrelly]

So!
{Dwlee}
{Yakko, Dominator}
{Errant, Firebringer, AlwaysInnocent, Flubbernugget}
{Squirrelly, gimick, ZZZX}
{Wanderer}
{Phantom Cobalt, Titus, texcat, Bebop}.
(Forgot Flubbernugget in my notes before.)
There we go!

Sure would be nice to have reasons.

[Squirrelly]

But LOOK at that trenchcoat, yakko. It is the number #1 scum tell on idiot's guide to mafia volume pi. It is 100% accurate

Still screwing around when others have left RVS.

[pisskop]

Votecount 1.02

---

Firebringer

- (4) BeBopAReBop, Hi Im Yakko, TheDominator37, Titus

BeBopAReBop

- (2) AlwaysInnocent, Dwlee99

AlwaysInnocent

- (1) ErrantParabola

ErrantParabola

- (1) texcat

gimick

- (1) ZZZX

TheDominator37

- (1) Squirrelly

Titus

- (1) Ranger

Dwlee99

- (1) Flubbernugget

Ranger

- (1) Phantomcobalt

Not Voting:

Ranger, Firebringer, gimick, wanderer-nl

---

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline is 10DEC15, (expired on 2015-12-11 09:00:00)

[Squirrelly]

Looks like things have started moving forward while I was gone. I'll try to pay some reads tomorrow.

You'll

try

...

tomorrow

? This is a blitz game. How about

doing...today

?

[Errantparabola]

Nice playing with you again, Ranger, Yakko, Titus, Fire, wanderer, Dwlee.

VOTE: AlwaysInnocent
Saying he's a non-conformist seems like an attempt to look town.

What do you think your greeting looks like to other people? Most every game has people who have played with each other before, but there's not a lot of greetings like yours.

I do it every game.

[Squirrelly]

I know that people sometimes have weak reasons to have some ill-informed opinion about someone during this stage, but it seems like he is just throwing around reads for the sake of appearing town. He has not even explained

any

of these reads, as far as I can see.

I am compelled to leave my non-conformist identity behind and join the Ranger wagon.

She does that. I don't like it and will continue to point it out. Reads don't do much for the rest of us without explanation. But, I have seen her do this as town.

[Squirrelly]

Why not?

I didn't say you shouldn't, I asked why you did. A simple "I wanted to see how he reacted" would have sufficed. Instead, you defensively dodge.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I know that people sometimes have weak reasons to have some ill-informed opinion about someone during this stage, but it seems like he is just throwing around reads for the sake of appearing town. He has not even explained

any

of these reads, as far as I can see.

I am compelled to leave my non-conformist identity behind and join the Ranger wagon.

She does that. I don't like it and will continue to point it out. Reads don't do much for the rest of us without explanation. But, I have seen her do this as town.

I have read few of her games now (skimmed through it). It was not exhaustive, so I could be missing something, but in the games I have read, she starts out differently. Now she seems to be doing it for the show. So I would nullify the meta-read and instead focus on her throwing around reads without explanation.

[Errantparabola]

Ranger, while I appreciate it that you are correctly townreading me, it seems a bit too early to throw around so many reads. What makes you think all these people are town?

"Correctly townreading me"
Ugh.

Im reading things but dont frel like phoneposting. Give me about an hour or so.
PC, i think this behavior is null for ranger, ive seen her make full reads in rvs before.

How accurate do these reads end up being? How often do they change?

I always felt like it was hit or miss.

Im reading things but dont frel like phoneposting. Give me about an hour or so.
PC, i think this behavior is null for ranger, ive seen her make full reads in rvs before.

When town? Which game was that? Is this your meta-read on her?

I try and detach myself from meta. What Im saying is having confident early reads is part of ranger's playstyle and should go either town or scum.
I think.

AlwaysInnocent, do you have anything to add other than asking people to explain their reads? Your questions have a trend of really weakly contributing. Im fine with my vote.

[Titus]

At least one of {PhantomCobalt, Titus} is scum.

Dwlee is town; texcat and BeBop also are pinging for scum.

It's too early to tell for sure on Errant/Firebringer/AlwaysInnocent, but early indicators are town.
Squirrelly, not so sure about; still too early to say.

Here, we have strong positions taken here. I liked PC as scum, so Ranger stating one must be scum isn't a problem.

Dwelee is indeed obvtown.

[Titus]

Ranger scum doesn't take strong positions.

[Errantparabola]

Titus did you ever explain ehy your head didnt like fire's wagon reaction

[AlwaysInnocent]

Especially the townreading of random people seems odd. I

know

that I am town, but I have not said or done anything yet that could lead to a reliable townread. In fact, some people seem to be suspicious of me, so why does she townread me?

[Titus]

Looks like things have started moving forward while I was gone. I'll try to pay some reads tomorrow.

You'll

try

...

tomorrow

? This is a blitz game. How about

doing...today

?

Strong town here too. Yes!

[Errantparabola]

Especially the townreading of random people seems odd. I

know

that I am town, but I have not said or done anything yet that could lead to a reliable townread. In fact, some people seem to be suspicious of me, so why does she townread me?

Titus you say you have AI as a scumread. How opposed are you to voting here?

[pisskop]

ZZZX and gimick are up for prods soon

[Titus]

Titus did you ever explain ehy your head didnt like fire's wagon reaction

Fire seemed to be more focused on discrediting my method of reading him than sorting people.

[Titus]

Especially the townreading of random people seems odd. I

know

that I am town, but I have not said or done anything yet that could lead to a reliable townread. In fact, some people seem to be suspicious of me, so why does she townread me?

Titus you say you have AI as a scumread. How opposed are you to voting here?

VOTE: Always

Not very.

[Squirrelly]

Olloh

I'm in catch up and chatting with persivul.
He hasn't said his reads yet.
*shakes fist*

Ugh
Is this going to be one of those low activity blitzes

Just looking at that vote count on me.

I am impresssed, who else besides maybe titus would have this many votes on them this early?

I amaze myself, I haven't even done anything

This is not a reaction that makes me very confident in fire being town

This read like a weak reason to call someone scum.

there's no town motivation for making it.
Fire made a post that talked about himself. How does that move the game forward?
I als[quote="In o have extremely minor problems with the cavalier attitude (is it faked?) but that can be ignored for now because that could be just playstyle.

This is nitpicky [quote="In [url=htt ... 86]post 60, texcat"]

Just looking at that vote count on me.

I am impresssed, who else besides maybe titus would have this many votes on them this early?

I amaze myself, I haven't even done anything

Maybe, just maybe, you should do something then??[/quote]

I'd lynch this too but it's meta/feeling like a bitch moment.

At least one of {PhantomCobalt, Titus} is scum.

Dwlee is town; texcat and BeBop also are pinging for scum.

It's too early to tell for sure on Errant/Firebringer/AlwaysInnocent, but early indicators are town.
Squirrelly, not so sure about; still too early to say.

Why is phantom or Titus possible scum?

Dwlee is a scum lean.
Early buddying dectected

At least one of {PhantomCobalt, Titus} is scum.

Dwlee is town; texcat and BeBop also are pinging for scum.

It's too early to tell for sure on Errant/Firebringer/AlwaysInnocent, but early indicators are town.
Squirrelly, not so sure about; still too early to say.

Here, we have strong positions taken here. I liked PC as scum, so Ranger stating one must be scum isn't a problem.

Dwelee is indeed obvtown.

Hell no. And with that comment you lost many town points I had on you.

Vote: errant

[Titus]

Talk to me about Dwelee squirrel. That seems to be our disagreement.