Blitz 12: Double Trouble! (Game Over)

[Firebringer]

Ranger lets talk. I am town reading you.

You think Errant is scum vampire then?

[AlwaysInnocent]

The role speculation is stupid; we have solid play evidence that suggests texcat is a vampire, so we should lynch there and worry about potential werewolves tomorrow.

What do we have on Texcat, though?

• She seemed to deflect from Wanderer.
  
• An insincere sounding congratulatory post.
  
• Emphasizing consistency, for voting Errant again. Not sure why we need to know.

But how is this a solid case?

[Ranger]

You think Errant is scum vampire then?

No, Errant's my best guess for werewolf.
texcat's the vampire, and probably a smaller faction at that, so could potentially be eliminating a faction with that lynch.

What do we have on Texcat, though?

She seemed to deflect from Wanderer.
An insincere sounding congratulatory post.
Emphasizing consistency, for voting Errant again. Not sure why we need to know.

But how is this a solid case?

Yes, we have these incriminating interactions in addition to texcat fitting the same posting profile as ABR and Wanderer: focusing only on specific players and not providing much reason behind their pushes, with a low post count.

If that isn't enough for you, then I'm sorry, you need to seriously rethink how you play; it's rock-solid evidence.

[Firebringer]

Hey Always Innocent, why you thinking Ranger is not town?
Which seems to be where you have been going recently.

[Firebringer]

If that isn't enough for you, then I'm sorry, you need to seriously rethink how you play; it's rock-solid evidence.

Being sorry is a scum tell!!!

#HalfLife3Confirmed

[Firebringer]

But how is this a solid case?

I feel like I need to review the solid case we had on Wanderer....

[AlwaysInnocent]

You think Errant is scum vampire then?

No, Errant's my best guess for werewolf.
texcat's the vampire, and probably a smaller faction at that, so could potentially be eliminating a faction with that lynch.

What do we have on Texcat, though?

She seemed to deflect from Wanderer.
An insincere sounding congratulatory post.
Emphasizing consistency, for voting Errant again. Not sure why we need to know.

But how is this a solid case?

Yes, we have these incriminating interactions in addition to texcat fitting the same posting profile as ABR and Wanderer: focusing only on specific players and not providing much reason behind their pushes, with a low post count.

I suppose you're right about that, but often there is one active scum member guiding the game, and that could be you.

If that isn't enough for you, then I'm sorry, you need to seriously rethink how you play; it's rock-solid evidence.

I don't need to rethink anything. This is my playstyle. Back off!

[AlwaysInnocent]

Hey Always Innocent, why you thinking Ranger is not town?
Which seems to be where you have been going recently.

Her early reads keep bugging me. There is something insincere about them.

Yakko is town and so is Dominator; Wanderer

may

be scum.

This is her second post in the game. Somehow she was already speculating about Wanderer being scum. For no good reason, she townread TheDominator, whose posting style did not bother her at all. Any reasonable player would find TheDominator's posting bothering, though.

When Wanderer was in danger of being lynched, I told her to vote for Wanderer. She said: "My weaker scumread? No. Only when I am desperate."

When Albert B. got lynched, she did not feel the need to vote for him, since he would be "lynched anyway". She preferred to make a "statement" with her vote. It seems like she cared more about appearances than just getting confirmed scum lynched. Perhaps she thought that jumping on the wagon would make her suspicious?

[Firebringer]

Those all seem like things that actually make her town though.
Like the phrasing used by her doesn't suggest she knows alignments. What scum would say they wouldn't lynch a scum buddy if desperate? Its just horribly incriminating if they get lynched...

Unless diff scum teams obviously.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Those all seem like things that actually make her town though.
Like the phrasing used by her doesn't suggest she knows alignments.

Why?

What scum would say they wouldn't lynch a scum buddy if desperate? Its just horribly incriminating if they get lynched...

Dunno. Maybe because she didn't want me or another asshole to criticize her jumping on a bandwagon. Except that I wouldn't be able to do anything, because voting for Albert B. was the

best

thing for any alignment.

Unless diff scum teams obviously.

Perhaps.

[Firebringer]

Dunno. Maybe because she didn't want me or another asshole to criticize her jumping on a bandwagon. Except that I wouldn't be able to do anything, because voting for Albert B. was the best thing for any alignment.

I mean if you are scum, you know town is going to ISO you eventually. You can't just sneak in weird comments about players without it catching your eyes, right?

Like you will hide affiliations. That isn't hiding that is openly saying "I am not voting this person unless i have to" which on the surface looks incredibly bad.

Now would Ranger do that so openly as scum? Yes or No.

If you think yes, don't you think she would also push harder against the wagon forming?

At least thats what I would do. Which I kinda did, but I really didn't see wanderer as scummy.

[Firebringer]

Who knows though, I could be wrong about Ranger like I was about Wanderer, I was more null on Wanderer though.

I like to have more time on reading her. She is tricky to me sometimes.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Dunno. Maybe because she didn't want me or another asshole to criticize her jumping on a bandwagon. Except that I wouldn't be able to do anything, because voting for Albert B. was the best thing for any alignment.

I mean if you are scum, you know town is going to ISO you eventually. You can't just sneak in weird comments about players without it catching your eyes, right?

Like you will hide affiliations. That isn't hiding that is openly saying "I am not voting this person unless i have to" which on the surface looks incredibly bad.

Now would Ranger do that so openly as scum? Yes or No.

If you think yes, don't you think she would also push harder against the wagon forming?

At least thats what I would do. Which I kinda did, but I really didn't see wanderer as scummy.

You can get away with a lot. People often overlook the most simple things. Most people do not have the patience to keep ISO'ing everyone. Single suspicious posts disappear in a sea of posts.

[Firebringer]

Always Innocent, you are an interesting one.
Not so sure on you mate.

Someone as active as you i should have had strong sense on, and that last post gave me scum vibes.

Thoughts on that?

[AlwaysInnocent]

Why? I was pointing out some general thoughts about the game and what kind of things are generally overlooked.

Regardless of my alignment

, it is true.

But it doesn't matter much, because no-one would consider me scum at this point, simply because:

1. I voted for Wanderer before it was cool. So I am not a vampire.
2. I voted for Albert B. before it was cool. So I am not a werewolf.

[Firebringer]

1. I voted for Wanderer before it was cool. So I am not a vampire.
2. I voted for Albert B. before it was cool. So I am not a werewolf.

Neither of these were cool.

I don't see how being at the front of the train makes you confirmed town.
We also had a town cop with a guilty on ABR so that was kind of a no brainer.

[AlwaysInnocent]

1. I voted for Wanderer before it was cool. So I am not a vampire.
2. I voted for Albert B. before it was cool. So I am not a werewolf.

Neither of these were cool.

I don't see how being at the front of the train makes you confirmed town.

It doesn't, but it makes it more likely. I am confirmed town, though.

We also had a town cop with a guilty on ABR so that was kind of a no brainer.

True, but I voted even before that and called out Albert B, causing him to be annoyed with me (it is hard to fake this).

[AlwaysInnocent]

Flubber your 3-pool POE sucks donkey balls.

Now you are just copying me. And I was basically repeating Titus' question.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, some noobie that joined november 2015 can be right on occasion.

Link me to your newbie game I want to make fun of you.

Titus AI is one of your people?

Why don't I like any of them?

You can't fake this shit.

[Firebringer]

I mean, you have high chance of being town based off events, but somethings you have said have looked odd.

Meh, w/e your playstyle just looks odd to me I guess.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I mean, you have high chance of being town based off events, but somethings you have said have looked odd.

Like what?

Meh, w/e your playstyle just looks odd to me I guess.

I am just a very weird guy. I also have a knack for saying the wrong thing. Sometimes I fail to consider how other people will receive my posts, seeing my own understanding of what I said as self-evident for everyone.

Anyway. Enough about me. Let's talk about you. How are you not scum?

[Firebringer]

Anyway. Enough about me. Let's talk about you. How are you not scum?

Nothing specifically.

I could probably formulate more reasons for me being scum than me not being if I were to being objective about it.

But in true Firebringer fashion Ill give you a good classic snarky response

"My role pm says Town"

[AlwaysInnocent]

Anyway. Enough about me. Let's talk about you. How are you not scum?

Nothing specifically.

I could probably formulate more reasons for me being scum than me not being if I were to being objective about it.

But in true Firebringer fashion Ill give you a good classic snarky response

"My role pm says Town"

Could you give a read list or something? If you are town, then it is important that we can read you, so that we do not have to waste any lynch on you. It also helps PoE.

[texcat]

What do we have on Texcat, though?

• She seemed to deflect from Wanderer.
  
• An insincere sounding congratulatory post.
  
• Emphasizing consistency, for voting Errant again. Not sure why we need to know.

But how is this a solid case?

Insincere?? I assure you that it was not insincere. I'm not sure why you're characterizing it that way.
I can see how you think I was emphasizing consistency, but what I was feeling was more like, Please can we lynch Errant already??

Yes, we have these incriminating interactions in addition to texcat fitting the same posting profile as ABR and Wanderer: focusing only on specific players and not providing much reason behind their pushes, with a low post count.

If that isn't enough for you, then I'm sorry, you need to seriously rethink how you play; it's rock-solid evidence.

"Not providing much reason"? As opposed to you, who provides readlists with no reasons?

[Firebringer]

Could you give a read list or something? If you are town, then it is important that we can read you, so that we do not have to waste any lynch on you. It also helps PoE.

I think I have been open with my thoughts so far. If I haven't mentioned a player as being town I am reading them as null or scum.

Do you want a formal list or something?

[pisskop]

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