Bah, i keep screwing up the quote tags. Last post should have looked like this
In post 315, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
I'm pretty sure I said why I didn't like your reads-list when I posted. You should go read my post again.
Ok, let me go back and see.
In post 145, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Ah, the old completely unnecessary, randomly inserted reads-list. A favourite for scum to look like they have 'reads' and are 'doing things'.
So no, you did not raise any specific problems with my list when I posted it. You claimed it was "unnecessary" which it clearly was not since i didn't know who to vote for until i went back and read everyone's comments in ISO and made a list of who i liked. I suppose i didn't have to share the list, but i think it's helpful to be transparent about your reads. And you claimed i was "trying to look like I was doing things" which is silly, i was certanly doing more "things" then many other people in the game at the time.
So no, you really didn't give any real reasons, other then an n apparent dislike of lists.
You're right though, lots of people make reads-lists. Sometimes though, a reads-list just isn't required, or it doesn't say a lot or there is something else wrong with it. I have caught scum by them posting awful reads-lists before. You wouldn't be the first.
Except that was an awesome list, especally for page 4. And I notice you still can't say anything specific against it.
It's not actually the 'making of the list' that's scummy. I mean, it still kind of is because nobody needs a reads-list on page 5 or whatever it was, but it's the fact that you felt the need to post it. You didn't need to post it, the only purpose of posting it is to look 'pro-town', especially as you later admit your reads are based mainly on gut.
I posted it because it's good to share your reads with the rest if the town. Reasons are less important then what the reads are.
And if you think I was trying to look pro-town by posting a bunch of town reads with no reasons, you're crazy. I expect random newbs who don't really understand the game to vote me when i do stuff like that. But your reaction was really weird.
I've cut the quotes out from ABR - go and look at what happened right before ABR started posting like that. I picked the fight with ABR, not the other way around.
That's reasonable. Frankly, there's a reason i labled the top half of the list "people i don't want to lynch right now" and not "town reads". I would not say i had a strong read on ABR that early.
Now I do, though, and I think my early gut-read on him was right.
In post 188, Yosarian2 wrote:I think I just explained that?
He's trying to scumhunt, he doesn't care how his scumhunting makes him look, he's aggressive, he's not being cautious. Those are all town traits.
The main difference between town and scum is that town's #1 priority is to find scum, while scum's #1 priority is not being lynched. When a person starts taking risks, being aggressive, and sticking their necks out to try to find scum, apparently without caring how it makes them look, that's a town tell.
Fantastic. Now, tell me why these tells apply to AI and not me? Because I'm not seeing consistency in your reads.
Consistency is a scum tell.
Anyway, I don't suspect you for lack of scumhunting, i suspect you because you have done some weird things. It's not that you weren't scumhunting, it's that I don't really buy your scumhunting. A lot of the stuff you did early in the game feels weird, and your reaction to my lst really feels off.
And I certanly haven't been getting the vibe that "you don't care what people think" that I got from ABR.
Secondly, I am clearly doubting your AI town read, I think it is clear to see from my posting that I do not think AI is town so I'm not sure why you're feigning confusion.
Ok. Now we're getting somewhere. You think AI is scum? Can you explain why?
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie