Open 623 (White Flag) - A Moment in Time (Over)

[pistachi0n]

maybe they should role claim

I don't see the point of claiming with this setup. There aren't any PRs.

[Cerberus v666]

Spoiler: post 14

I love your avatar, Titus

Question for everyone:
Given that this setup is white flag, what do you think of bussing in this game? Will scum do it? More importantly, would you do it if you were scum?

I loathe bussing, I feel it is inelegant and I prefer to win perfect games. With that said, scum might do it?

What I'm interested in though, is why you're going out of your way to make us especially aware of the bussing possibiity, especially in a game where the setup is named after such tactics. Usually when someone pushes someone elss, it's because they believe they're on opposite teams, but here you're kind of making it seem like a push on someone is just as likely to be a bus attempt as anything else.

Hmm. I don't like the way I phrased the last sentencex but I think you know what I mean.

Cerberus, why no RVS?

I don't vote unless I have a compelling reason to. RVS is dumb, and I also find D1 to be rather uninspiring. I work off hard data that is, flips and dayplay/nightplay when taken in conjunction with the flips we have, to determine which players have taken lines which make compelling arguments that the are scum/others are town, so they must be scum through PoE.

Barring a need to absolutely push a lynch through towards deadline, or someone outright contradicting themselves, it's unlikely you'll see me put a vote down today or develop a hard read on anyone.

Not impossible, mind you. Just unlikely.

-Cerb

This here quote made me interested in Cerberus. The wording a tone plus the length. Ending it on "-Cerb", too.

Spoiler: posts 69,74,86

AI must be a godplayer, three scumgets in three pages

I'm the bestest scumhunter in the world.

AI isn't voting scum. I caught two since post 18.

Whatever SS is at, he needs to die like now.

Was me.

I told myself I wouldn't hydra slip with this account. Lmfao.

Think of it as helping Drixx be a better moderator, now this game will show up for him even when he's in hydra with you.

Also, Titus, I'm pretty sure you're doing that thing I hate where you go off of like, nothing at all, and just decide a buncha people are scum. :-/

Speaking of Titus, who here is familiar with her, besides myself? And SS I guess, since she did say something about not being their IC anymore.

PC, Cow and Titus can go in the town pile.
SS and Rhazh can go in the scum pile.

Cerberus can be in the null pile alone.

YES! SUCK IT BITCHES, I HAVE A ROOM TO MYSELF!

Anyways, so you're buying titus' conclusion that scum totally slipped on P1 of D1?

pedit: hmm. Noted. I need to remind myself of what the hell that was, cause BM was kinda nailed to the wall for a lot more than just one post.

Do you object to my posting a reads list?

84 post reads list. *sigh* This should be entertaining. :p

Weird that you'd ask if anyone objects, I mean...everybody likes getting more content from people that's actually meaningful, town so they can sort them, scum so they can twist it. *shrug*

TheCow: I'm at work, and this is kinda my lowest priority if ya know what I mean.

Ask me stuff though and I'll gladly talk to you about whatever though.

The format is similar, but those things I found interesting are gone. 84 came later with the emotes. I found this bit strange.

The conclusion I drew was that post 14 is far more worked than the other posts an was supposed to be catchier, be this a conscious decision or not. The "-Cerb" bit looks like a habit from playing in hydras. Oddly bulky first post (based on previous games) so the decision was likely conscious. Requires further reading.

Oh, lol. Yes, I did make a conscious decision to tell a game full of people who don't know me about my standard play before I start getting crap about not voting. I mean, usually nobody mentions me not voting until a few VC's in, and THEN I give them the spiel, but this time it happened on the first page, so I gave him the spiel then. And yeah, I've been playing in hydras lately, so I just reflexively signed the post. *shrug*

The other important point is that the first post(If you consider I'm in PST) came while I was at home, chillin' and all the other posts have come while I'm here, at work, and have to be sneaky about posting, so I try to keep it brief when possible, unless I decide to pull up a notepad and compose outside of MS, then post.

Good eye though TheCow.

[Drixx]

Apologies for this being so many posts in. I went to do some work and the thread took off. I'll do my best to check more often so you guys have up to date Vote Counts. If you would like one, you need only drop me a PM and I will get a notification on my phone and get to it ASAP. It's no bother, so please don't hesitate.

Vote Count 1.1

AlwaysInnocent {0} -

Yonom

,

TheCow

,
Cerberus v666 {0} -

Something_Smart

,
NotAnAlt {0} -

AlwaysInnocent

,
PhantomCobalt {0} -

AlwaysInnocent

,
pistachi0n {0} -
RhazhBash {0} -

Something_Smart

,
SirCakez {4} - RhazhBash, pistachi0n, AlwaysInnocent, Something_Smart
Something_Smart {5} - SirCakez, Titus, TheCow, PhantomCobalt, Yonom
TheCow {0} -
Titus {0} -
Victor_Mortimer {0} -
Viva La Gloria {0} -
Yonom {0} -

PhantomCobalt

,


Not Voting (4): Cerberus v666, NotAnAlt, Victor_Mortimer, Viva La Gloria

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or No Lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2016-01-27 22:00:00) from now, or January 27th, 10:00 PM Eastern (GMT-5).

Viva La Gloria and Victor_Mortimer have (expired on 2016-01-15 14:00:00) to confirm before I begin searching for a replacement.

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[SirCakez]

What an interesting wagon composition.
Cerberus are you willing to place a vote yet?

[Titus]

Smart, Rz, and likely AI.

That's the team.

We can draw out this game scum, or you can put up the white flag. We can resolve this game in 300 posts, or we can draw it out.

[Something_Smart]

Smart, Rz, and likely AI.

That's the team.

We can draw out this game scum, or you can put up the white flag. We can resolve this game in 300 posts, or we can draw it out.

Just gonna point out a few things.
1. You are scumreading 3 of the 4 newest players who have posted.
2. You believe that all 3 scum would pile on the same wagon at the beginning of day 1. In White Flag.
3. Your case on me is based primarily on one thing I did that another person who was scum also did.

Also Titus what is your read on SirCakez?

[Titus]

1. So what? Facts are facts and it isn't the newbie queue. AI I have played with before.
2. Yup.
3. Yes.

Obvious town.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Smart, Rz, and likely AI.

That's the team.

We can draw out this game scum, or you can put up the white flag. We can resolve this game in 300 posts, or we can draw it out.

Likely AI, eh? You're scum too, Titus?

[Something_Smart]

1. Maybe you tend to read newbies more harshly (except for Dewy ).
2. You must think we're stupid, too.
3. Not to mention your case is really weak.

Give me some specific examples of SirCakez being obvious town.

[SirCakez]

AI is OMGUSing both Titus and myself. He has developed scumreads on both of us immediately after he has been scumread which I find very scummy.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Something_Smart is probably town.

Titus and SirCakez are playing a silly game. I am not sure why they think that buddying each other wouldn't be super-obvious.

[SirCakez]

Speaking of buddying look at that first sentence.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Speaking of buddying look at that first sentence.

Nice try, but it doesn't work like that.

[SirCakez]

How does it work then?

[Titus]

1. Maybe you tend to read newbies more harshly (except for Dewy ).
2. You must think we're stupid, too.
3. Not to mention your case is really weak.

Give me some specific examples of SirCakez being obvious town.

1. Nope. Welcome to life outside the newbie queue. You do things that scum do, you get scumread. I am not the sole voter.
2. Absolutely not. I am reading you as desperate scum, not stupid. Why did you feel insulted? Do you feel your scumgame has been bad?
3. Why would you have 5 votes if my case was weak? It isn't. You'd be at L minus 1 but Cerb never votes so we have to wait on subs.

Town know Sir is town.

[Cerberus v666]

I vote, Titus, but not for reasons this weak.

Cakes: how does your read on SS relate to your read on rhazh?

[NotAnAlt]

Hmm. I don't like the way I phrased the last sentencex but I think you know what I mean.

I really don't. That question, when taken with context, was meant to be leading, if that's what you're referring to, but it's a feature, not a bug.

NotanAlt, Strategy is wholly dependant on the board at the time. It's the abnormal strategies that catch scum. So, with all due respect, stop theory speccing. It's a waste of space in the thread and vote.

You know, you said this, but as far as I can tell, you thought SS was scum at the time for a post he'd made in response to mine. Like, here was your next post. Only one post was made in-between and it wasn't by SS. Unless "To say hi, I am not you're IC anymore." was meant to be reasoning for a serious vote, you were voting him for this post, right?

Anyway, skipping ahead because I read the entire game before starting this post, how confident are you actually that you'd caught multiple scum by the end of page 1?


SirCakez wagon is really ugly.

1. You are scumreading 3 of the 4 newest players who have posted.
2. You believe that all 3 scum would pile on the same wagon at the beginning of day 1. In White Flag.

Curious about these two
1. What prompted you to notice that it was 3 of the newest 4 players?
2. When I asked you what you thought about scum bussing in this game, you linked the white flag gambit article and said that bussing was a realistic possibility. What makes you think that 3 scum piling onto the same wagon at the beginning of day 1 is so much less likely than bussing that it's not even worth considering?

[Something_Smart]

1. Nothing. I just noticed it.
2. The point of White Flag is that the scum need to go out of their way to avoid associating. However, now that you mention it I guess I might want to do that if I were scum. But I doubt my partners would.

Also, Titus, is it just your playstyle to be sure of everything? Because I would think only scum know the alignment of SirCakez as confidently as you do.

[PhantomCobalt]

Titus is always sure of everything

[AlwaysInnocent]

SirCakez wagon is really ugly.

Lurkers commenting on the ugliness of small wagons. It only makes me more confident that at least one of you is scum.

[PhantomCobalt]

SirCakez wagon is really ugly.

Lurkers commenting on the ugliness of small wagons. It only makes me more confident that at least one of you is scum.

I wouldn't classify NAA as a lurker.

[AlwaysInnocent]

SirCakez wagon is really ugly.

Lurkers commenting on the ugliness of small wagons. It only makes me more confident that at least one of you is scum.

I wouldn't classify NAA as a lurker.

You're wrong then.

[PhantomCobalt]

May I just mention again that ss is always talking about associatives like omg pls just self vote

[Cerberus v666]

1. Maybe you tend to read newbies more harshly (except for Dewy ).
2. You must think we're stupid, too.
3. Not to mention your case is really weak.

Give me some specific examples of SirCakez being obvious town.

1. Nope. Welcome to life outside the newbie queue. You do things that scum do, you get scumread. I am not the sole voter.
2. Absolutely not. I am reading you as desperate scum, not stupid. Why did you feel insulted? Do you feel your scumgame has been bad?

3. Why would you have 5 votes if my case was weak? It isn't. You'd be at L minus 1 but Cerb never votes so we have to wait on subs.

Town know Sir is town.

Also, I didn't explicitly say this before, or at least not in the detail I should have, but..your case is weak. Super duper weak. Not strong. "RVS push plus retraction claiming it's a joke is scum!" I mean sure, I get the logic, town wouldn't feel the need to be extra defensive there and pull super far back from an RVS vote, and would instead just shrug it off because it's fucking RVS, but why the hell can't it just be a personality quirk? SS and yourself know each other, is it really so unreasonable for him to feel the need to clarify that his suspicion on you was a joke, given that he might have enjoyed playing with you before and wanted to cooperate rather than be antagonistic from P2?

That btw, is how weak I think the RVS vote is a joke thing is, btw. I think even the chance that someone I don't even know might just have a personality that inclined them to make a joke about it outfuckingweighs that "tell".

The only reason why I might consider SS as scum is the move to vote the counterwagon to himself. That is survivalism, which might be alignment indicative, depending on how far it goes.

[PhantomCobalt]

Cerberus r u being srs