Mini 1758: Game Over

[Lokiben]

Will have a catchup post in a few hours.

[ika]

this is intrresting

[SirCakez]

What's interesting about it? You're lurking out and got wagoned for it.

[Elyse]

Also if ika flips scum, acryon dies next.

There is zero reason to oppose a wagon on a lurker at this point, even if its sole purpose is pressure.

I'm actually fine with pressuring lurkers. I am not fine with saying X person is 100% scum because they are lurking.

Ok so let the wagon go and pressure ika then. Criticize it if it becomes an issue.

I promise.

I'll hold you to that
VOTE: Ika

and this....except worse. take responsibility for your own vote.

Elyse, what game did you develop this meta from? have you been in games with him that he lurks as town?

Olympian Gods Mafia (which I modded), Taylor Swift Mafia, other people have said this - it's a known thing

And no.

Cakez could still be scum but he will look a lot better if ika is.

[ika]

What's interesting about it? You're lurking out and got wagoned for it.

I wasn't referring to my wagon. I was referring to the vc before.

[ika]

Hey elese who else said it? I would love to hear about this.

[ika]

Here is at least one scum in rc/cakes

[ika]

There

[Lokiben]

scumread on camn for not even bothering to defend their post that acryon ripped into, especially considering that post has been their one worthwhile contribution in some time

Plus... How are you going to say my post was both worthwhile, and somehow needed defending?
Which is it?

he probably means worthwhile as in it was your one major contribution. And defending because it was shown flawed.

Basically this. And regardless, your logic is a little backwards there, camn. If your post was worthwhile by your definition, that means you should have been able to defend it. But you didn't.

@ Loki
I think you and Elyse are both town. The underlying point of conflict between the two of you seems to be a differing conception of what basis reads should have. Elyse's reads have had more to do with tone and train of thought than with the words written or the arguments they form.

It's true that it's a weak read to say that your RVS vote was "stilted and awkward", but just as RVS votes have RVS reasons, so do the reads that bring us out of RVS. Your reaction in 124 could be interpreted as overly defensive, especially the leap to questioning "what possible scum motive" could it have had, since it clearly wasn't a calculated move. So when she said your posts were scumreads, I understood it to mean that she thought they were suggestive that you were scum, not that they were part of a scum maneuver.

Sure, but she never referenced that post. And my problem is way more than the basis of her scumread.

@ Elyse and Loki
Which do each of you think is scummiest between Tictac, Camn, SirCakez, and RC?

RC has too many unanswered questions. Funnily enough, most of what he's done is unexplained scumreads on those other three names. Apparently they've played like this before as town, so his behavior doesn't appear as indicative to others as it does to me. camn also has a lot of red flags, but they aren't being so blatantly unproductive as RC. Tictac is really eh. And I'll get to Cakez.

On phone.
Loki is readin incrediblt newbtown to me.
That said @loki yer tunneling on the Elyse thing. She's reading very town too.
Prev edit. Ok. Farmer town as well

Incredibly newb, or incredibly town, or both?

My initial reason of him being awkward is still there, but the rest of his posts are due to a giant misunderstanding that asf explained pretty eloquently. He hasn't really given me scumvibes since and his "rekt" post seemed genuine even if he was completely misguided. So yeah he's mild town for now actually.

If you want to respond to me directly and elaborate, feel free.

I promise.

I'll hold you to that
VOTE: Ika

If I take this post out of context, and ignore the fact that I'm heavily scumreading Elyse, this post really smells like scum setting up for a future wagon when ika flips town. I'll file it away in a Plan B folder.

VOTE: ika

im fine with pressuring this slot.

Was completely absent during the Cakez push, and then pops in just to drop this.

calling bullshit here. first of all, something SC said here didnt make sense giving his vote. I was trying to catch him in a lie. and yes...I did vote UTL, what I find funny/scummy here is that instead of asking me why, you just gave me an "FOS". why are you not concerned witht he "why" of the vote?

Why is it my responsibility to ask you to explain your own naked vote? If you say nothing else, I'm going to assume there's nothing else.

I'm also really not liking CKD right now. His ISO is full of questions he doesn't follow up on, naked votes that go nowhere and generally look like he's trying to blend in.

what questions? You mean the one I asked you? You mean the I asked before I got busy and couldnt post? you mean that fucking question?

That's a whole lotta bluster for a post that didn't really deserve it. No one knew that you were busy until you said it here. We all just saw the phenotype that Cakez encapsulates here. I feel like you're trying to quell Cakez by barking at him so he won't keep pushing you.

Will compare Cakez and ika and offer my opinion on the lynch in next post.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

In post 464, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:
VOTE: ika

im fine with pressuring this slot.


Was completely absent during the Cakez push, and then pops in just to drop this.

I had nothing to comment at that point, although I probably should have said something tbh.

and the other post you addressed that was supposedly by me wasent actually from me...

[RadiantCowbells]

Why is RC/Cakez a thing?

[Lokiben]

In post 464, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:
VOTE: ika

im fine with pressuring this slot.


Was completely absent during the Cakez push, and then pops in just to drop this.

I had nothing to comment at that point, although I probably should have said something tbh.

and the other post you addressed that was supposedly by me wasent actually from me...

Ah, shoot. It was from plain farmer. Must've deleted the wrong section of a quote tree.

[camn]

Why is RC/Cakez a thing?

Its not. TICTAC/Cakez is a thing.

[SirCakez]

Ika says RC or myself is scum which makes absolutely no sense.

[Elyse]

He's scum let's lynch him

[camn]

An ika wagon would also be great since he's done absolutely nothing in days except drop a terrible RC vote and leave.

Hey look! Cakez threw enough shit at the wall.. and finally something stuck!

Not that I am against an Ika wagon.
Meta arguments are often correct, and I love me a lurkerlynch any day of the week.
That said...I probably wouldn't have totally sheeped Elyse if I had been around today.. BUT when I read THIS fucking passage of posts..... I am baffled.

this is intrresting

What's interesting about it? You're lurking out and got wagoned for it.

I wasn't referring to my wagon. I was referring to the vc before.

[camn checks out votecount]

VOTE COUNT 1.09

SirCakez (4): curiouskarmadog, Camn, a plain farmer, RadiantCowbells
RadiantCowbells (3): ika, acryon, UpTooLate
ika (2): Elyse, tictac
tictac (1): SirCakez
Elyse (1): Lokiben

No Vote (2): Zulfy, Some Random Mafia Player

no answers here, friends. Whats next?

Hey elese who else said it? I would love to hear about this.

[camn tries to figure out wtf this is....]
maybe...

Olympian Gods Mafia (which I modded), Taylor Swift Mafia, other people have said this - it's a known thing

then

Here is at least one scum in rc/cakes

There

Like....

THAT

is this guy's defense?

THAT ?

I would drop a vote for pile-on PLUS the scumminess of the above if I thought he wasn't lynched already. Lemme count.

ika (5): Elyse, tictac, uptoolate, SRMP, SirCakez
With 13 players alive, it takes 7/13 votes to lynch.

Shoot- I'm fine with L-1. tictac/cakez/ika/(+-)SRMP scumteam? Maybe.
Lemme check Ika's activity
right quick:
Blue is THIS GAME

Spoiler: TODAY

Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:30 am
Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:16 am
Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:57 am
Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:52 pm

Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:53 pm
Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:08 pm
Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:09 pm
Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:12 pm

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:36 pm

<--- hm. Posted a different game and didn't bother to come post here?

Spoiler: YESTERDAY, tons of posts elsewhere. He wanted to stay away fromt he Cakez wagon, no?

Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:02 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:00 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:19 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:26 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:25 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:14 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:59 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:53 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:52 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:48 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:21 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:17 pm
2:13 pm
2:09 pm
2:08 pm
202
158
157
156
152
148

jesus fucksticks there are DOZENs and dozens more.. With NO posts here. 53 in total.

Two days ago?
ONE post here.. with no content. About 20 elsewhere...
Christ.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ika

Hey Ika- you need to get in here. Post or Perish.


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PS- Loki, you are unintelligible. That post about my iso sucking? That shiz is beneath me. The so-called criticism was a joke, and i dont care what he thinks. As such, my logic was fine, Mr. Man.

[camn]

Its like he was mad at somebody for telling Elyse is scumtell.

[camn]

*HIS scumtell

[Elyse]

Preach gurl

[a plain farmer]

I'm willing to hammer ika if no one else has anything left to say. I checked his meta for myself to make sure. He's a frequent poster across the board as town. As scum, he lurks in some of his games in and in others it's arguable. But there's an obvious correlation between his alignment and activity, and, as Camn showed, he's been active elsewhere recently. This is about as objective a reason as we could get for Day 1.

[Elyse]

We should let him claim.

[SirCakez]

I've been consistently scumreading Ika for days now Camn, don't act like I just pulled the read out of nowhere.
Loki where's the stuff comparing ika and I you said was coming?

[a plain farmer]

Then I'll stay my hand.

[ika]

vt go ahread and hammer

i was saying that cus of how cakes wagon grew expodentaly vs rcs wagon

elyse im still waiting for who else said it as well

[SirCakez]

I also dislike how SRMP just popped in to vote ika and failed to comment on anything in the thread from the past two days.