Mini 1758: Game Over

[curiouskarmadog]

it is also, pretty obvious that both of you are town...

or scum together (doubt it).

[Lokiben]

Then I'd like to lynch Cakez.

[Zulfy]

it is also, pretty obvious that both of you are town...

or scum together (doubt it).

???

[curiouskarmadog]

what I dont understand is the acroyn kill. if you take Elyse/RC out of the picture, the only other person he attacked was tictac.

If tictac-Sircakez isn't TvT, the scum is tictac. Tictac talked about having no pressure on him, but then bothered to answer each of sircakez points on him with an individual response per quote. I'm not sure an unworried person does that.

Sorry that question didn't quite work out how you wanted it to Tictac.

Sorry that question didn't quite work out how you wanted it to Tictac.

Nah. Aside for the false dichotomy that's a good answer.
Didn't expect you to be scumreading him after 434.

What's your read on camn?

I don't think it was a false dichotomy. You acted like you weren't at all bothered by it, but then made a point to address every little thing he mentioned. For someone who didn't think there was any pressure on him, you sure respected it a lot enough to respond as you did.

I find camn hard to read. I think others are having trouble with her playstyle and calling her scum. I don't know one way or the other at this point. There's things I like an don't like.

I promise.

I'll hold you to that
VOTE: Ika

What reasoning do you have to sheep Elyse here?

What reasoning do you have to sheep Elyse here?

I townread her strongly, and I believe meta is a valid reason to suspect someone.

You believe it's valid enough to have literally zero other reasoning?

And why do you strongly townread her?

if I was scum with camn, I would not have killed acroyn because it seemed that he was one of the only people NOT attacking camn, almost (but not quite) defending him. You have to get rid of a threat...the only other person acryon was attacking was tictac.

acryon attacked tictac’s play (and interaction with cakes) and his crappy vote on the IkaTOWN wagon.

also from yesterday:

Karma-wagon reads like a policy lynch on someone who has played pretty decently so far and then made a single (albeit large) mistake.
He is far from confscum.

I'd be up for a camn wagon instead.

oh really? why no vote?

then, when the momentum became leaning toward camn, I suddenly became a scum lean.

Cakes:
The push on me day 1 was too convenient, specially since he didn't put energy into trying to push anything before he got heat on him.
Also the points he raised were largely about disagreeing with the things I said. Agree/disagree scumreading tends to be a scumtell.
Ika wagon was too fast and makes sense as scum trying to get heat off him.
On the other hand I like his read progression on day 2.
scumlean.

ckd:
770 actually can be read as a cop soft "I am town and I know he is town". This is not what camn meant, I don't think, or she would have said so.
"it's anti-town for me to explain" reads like "it would be anti-town to outright say I think you guys are masons". Not seeing a soft there.
Cakes target doesn't make sense from an experienced player. Targetting Cakes when there was practically no chance he would be chosen to make a nightkill. While it's true he could have gotten a scum PR with it, the chances of getting an usable result were higher for practically any other player. It's not like using tracking on scumreads makes much sense even if they aren't widely scumread. Info roles in general are better suited sorting players who can't be otherwise sorted (nulls). As an experienced player ckd should know this.
On the other hand a claimed VT is a safe target to fakeclaim as scum.
He was reading town to me before this whole hulabaloo thou, and that does count for something.
scumlean

camn:
dislike 'confscum', dislike pushing for early lynch, dislike the softing charge on ckd since the posts she points to do not at all look like a softs to me. She did look better to me on the latter end of day 1, but now she is back at her old scum-ways. Way too much certainty for someone who is actually town. Pushing more with personality than with actual reasons. I like Cakes point about PR speculation.
I did think the ultimatum was towny of her, but it's drowned out by being otherwise scummy.
scum

out of all of his scum leans, he thinks camn is the most scum, but still refuses to vote him.

also, again note the relationship with cakes.

I think if tictac flips scum, Cakes is indeed his partner.


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if the above is too much to read.

tictac was on the ikaTOWN wagon for little reason
acroyn attacked tictac's shitty IkaTOWN vote.
acroyn died (why?)
tictac thought camn was scum, but did not vote him (why?)

VOTE: tictac

[curiouskarmadog]

it is also, pretty obvious that both of you are town...

or scum together (doubt it).

???

I would explain why, but if you are scum together, I am not going to help you.

[SirCakez]

We are not lynching Elyse today, votes there are pointless. We lynch Plain Farmer, SRMP, or myself.

[curiouskarmadog]

We are not lynching Elyse today, votes there are pointless. We lynch Plain Farmer, SRMP, or myself.

interesting how you completely ignored my tictac case.

[SirCakez]

No I still think Tictac is town right now.

[curiouskarmadog]

why?

[curiouskarmadog]

did you read the case? what part did you disagree with?

[SirCakez]

Because I know the associatives with me are crap because I'm town and I don't think Tictac was the reason Acryon was killed. Rather I think scum just wanted to get rid of someone who was being reasonable and not vote hopping everywhere rather then someone who was on every wagon and causing conflict, etc

[Performer]

VOTE COUNT 3.01

a plain farmer (2): SirCakez, Elyse
Elyse (2): Lokiben, Zulfy
Some Random Mafia Player (1): a plain farmer
tictac (1): curiouskarmadog

No vote (3): UpTooLate, , tictac, Some Random Mafia Player

With 9 players alive, it takes 5/9 votes to lynch.

For deadlines & notes, please refer to this post – post 3 !

[Lokiben]

UNVOTE:

[Elyse]

@Lokiben @zulfy

The common denominator here is Cakez so let's lynch him.

I think it's apf/Cakez. ckd thinks it's tictac/Cakez. apf thinks it's SMRP/Cakez.

Unless Loki and Zulfy are scum together, they're town because a scumbuddy would have alerted them that I'm RC's mason buddy.

VOTE: SirCakez

[SirCakez]

This game needs my flip to progress I think. I've defended myself so much and given my reads multiple times and I don't know what else to do. At least let me do final reads before the hammer.
And I know this is going to be called AtE but w/e.

Lynch me then. Plain Farmer tomorrow please.

[Elyse]

You got it

[SirCakez]

Like I see no way this game will progress right now without my town flip. Everyone is basing their scumteams on me which are all wrong so after I die people can fix their reads.

[tictac]

I don't think it's Cakes/Farmer team.

- Nothing in this game is that easy.
- Both of them sheeped RC into my wagon (192,194), which scum tends to not do.

But that is really my scum group.
Cakez. Farmer. Tictac.

- kinda doubt this group is 2/3rds scum.

I need to read more before I vote.
I'd appreciate it if we could have something approaching an actual day today.

[Zulfy]

UNVOTE:

[Some Random Mafia Player]

ah, day 3 started

im here

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I'm also starting to get suspicious of SRMP.

you were already suspicious of me...

[Some Random Mafia Player]

VOTE: Sircakez

lets get this done rn

[SirCakez]

^ that needs rope badly.

[UpTooLate]

I'll try to look at this later, but after skimming I don't even know why there was even a case on Elyse after RC's flip? what?

[Lokiben]

Elyse, can you tell us how many masons there are? I don't know if this is a fair question to ask, having never played with masons before, but I think it'd be a disaster for you to die, and then a third mason to claim later to have no one able to confirm them, or to leave the door open for scum to claim to be mason once you die.

If Elyse is confirmed town, that does change my perspective on a few people, given that a lot of my reservations were due to her reads on them. Zulfy is the first one that comes to mind.

Where is everyone?
Well.. I got a late start, too.
Reads- then I'm off to work.

1. Zulfy
4. Elyse
5. UpTooLate
11. Lokiben

ProbTown

6. Curiouskarmadog

confscum

12. SirCakez

Likely Scum

7. tictac

Probscum... but I am waffling.

8. RadiantCowbells

Likely probtown, but gambiting scum is not impossible. But I think Town

13. a plain farmer
10. Some Random Mafia Player

One scum in these two, given RC and Tictac both town.

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Lets see a CKD lynch. I hate long days when we have obvscum staring at us.

I've been staring at this post and trying to determine how much to read into it. Is anyone a little nervous that all of camn's top scumreads are our top scumreads today, with one noticeable exception? Her reasoning for townreading Zulfy back on Day 1 was pretty weak:

-snip-

I like his entry into the game actually. I don't mind the light hearted talk about chaining lynches... I think maybe I haven't caught up with the site meta yet... But to me if its too obvious, its not as scummy. He really has disappeared this last couple days though, which I want keep an eye on. Not sure..probably not tictacs partner.

Cakez, farmer, tictac, and SRMP are all null reads. I know that bussing is a thing, but unless camn was expecting to be lynched, which I doubt she was by this point, I don't see why she would exert all her influence in drawing suspicion towards all her allies.

VOTE: Zulfy