Mini 1758: Game Over

[Zulfy]

Curious I like your case and will hop on that wagon if it's a thing that will happen

[Some Random Mafia Player]

And 607 is outdated as fuck. That was before CKD outed the masons.

It has nothing to do with the other two.

You dident read my post at all.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

His waffling around the camn wagon and awkward hop off.

I took him off of l-1, why would you push that...

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Zulfy probably town then. Doubt he'd lolhammer his buddy like that.
SRMP was super awkward getting off the wagon like that. Want to go there tomorrow.
Also Plain Farmer is super shifty for 992.

SRMP, he clearly said this yesterday....sooo, it was obvious he wasnt "starting" to get suspicious of you.

would you have voted him if he would have said "I am starting to get suspicious again?"

but he said he was starting to get suspicious of me.

But he wasent starting to because he already was suspicious of me. Instead of explaining he points out something that had nothing to do with my argument.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

SRMP, Uptoolate, Zulfy, and farmer.


would like to hear your position on tictac...and my case on him.

probably town.

but thats probably because I am pretty confident on who the other 2 (im assuming 3v10) scum are.

[Lokiben]

How have I not made my stance on Cakez clear already?!?!?

As for Day 1, I'm just going to shelve it for after the game. Just know that I am judging you.

[SirCakez]

Yeah the initial scum team post was related to NKA. I dropped it for a bit because CKD was being scummy but then started to get suspicious again.

[curiouskarmadog]

How have I not made my stance on Cakez clear already?!?!?

where did you state you position on Scakes?

and while you are at it, your position on tictac?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Yeah the initial scum team post was related to NKA. I dropped it for a bit because CKD was being scummy but then started to get suspicious again.

so CKD being scum suddenly made me not scum? I am pretty confident you though me as the scummiest, so removing me from that list wouldent make sense.

[SirCakez]

Yeah for a bit because you being scum with CKD didn't make sense. And you weren't my top suspect at the time or ever really.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Yeah for a bit because you being scum with CKD didn't make sense. And you weren't my top suspect at the time or ever really.

how did me and ckd not make sense, but me with RC and elyse did?

[SirCakez]

NKA. Acryon was pushing all three of you. CKD and you weren't buddying like RC and Elyse were.

[a plain farmer]

@ CKD:
Your point about tictac scumreading camn and wanting a wagon on her without voting her is interesting and, indeed, scummy. His play is otherwise pro-town, with the exception of his case on me, which is a trifle and he seems smarter than to have made that the reason for his vote on me. But perhaps he did legitimately think I was scummier than camn.

The Acryon kill I feel is not necessarily attributable to him or anyone else. Acryon was autonomous and little-suspected, which would make him a good kill for any scumteam.

There is also the issue that, if SRMP is scum, tictac is probably town. I'll quote the relevant bit on this from 1050 (this bit talks about SRMP's response after camn gave him a scum-leaning read on associative tells with tictac):

My early vote was a thin, page one vote. Tictac piling on, and then the whole thing gets written off as "reaction testing" in 106 and 110. It sounds like tictac set that up in their scumchat.

It was obvious it was a reaction test, that reason was bad.

This comment is weird, but says nothing to contest the notion that scum-tictac would mean scum-SRMP (since this would presumably come from his knowledge as scum that tictac is town, and a camn-SRMP-tictac triple gambit here seems immensely unlikely).

If SRMP does flip town, though, tictac might be the #2 suspect after Cakez.

[Lokiben]

How have I not made my stance on Cakez clear already?!?!?

where did you state you position on Scakes?

and while you are at it, your position on tictac?

...

I've been consistently scumreading Ika for days now Camn, don't act like I just pulled the read out of nowhere.
Loki where's the stuff comparing ika and I you said was coming?

Voila. For the record, I only meant to compare the two of you as to whom would be a better lynch. The impressions the two of you have left on me are very contrasting.

Cakez, I know to be a very logically minded scum hunter, rather than analytically minded. His thought process is usually based upon whether or not a player is meeting the status quo of what is considered a townie reaction to any given situation. Most of the behavior that Elyse is attacking falls into that category. That being said, I did feel like he used it a bit too much as a crutch rather than a guideline yesterday that allowed him to be passive. He pointed out plenty scummy things, but he never really pushed any scumreads. There was the SRMP read, which he retracted, the tictac read that he only provided upon being asked, and the CKD and ika scumreads never really blossomed until the wagon on Cakez began to build up. I'd expect him to be a bit more vocal as town, and I'm speaking from experience. I'd mild scumread him if it weren't for his brushes with Elyse, and if it weren't true that I've seen him play has scum much more savvily. I'm leaving him as a null, because his ISO is telling me one thing, and my gut is telling me another.

I think that a Cakez lynch today would go a long way towards helping me make up my mind. I strongly believe this to be TvS.

I know I said that I believed Elyse and Cakez to be TvS, and I stand by that. Yesterday's flip has helped me identify the T and the S. Cakez has been scummy, but I don't think that Elyse would keep a bus up for so long on one teammate, while completely disregarding another.

Then I'd like to lynch Cakez.

And I will have to get to tictac tomorrow.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

NKA. Acryon was pushing all three of you. CKD and you weren't buddying like RC and Elyse were.

What does Acryon pushing all of us have to do with anything? You scumread all 3 of us too

is it because he was a scumread?

[SirCakez]

Night kill analysis. Scum kill players who threaten them. Acryon scumreading the whole scum team = threat in that scenario.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Night kill analysis. Scum kill players who threaten them. Acryon scumreading the whole scum team = threat in that scenario.

ok, so doesent him dying still point to all 3 of us scum?

[SirCakez]

To you yeah. But CKD outed RC and Elyse as Masons so that theory fell apart.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

To you yeah. But CKD outed RC and Elyse as Masons so that theory fell apart.

So wouldent I still be scum?

[SirCakez]

Yes that's one of the reasons suspicious of you right now

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Yes that's one of the reasons suspicious of you right now

but then why werent you suspicious of me earlier for it?

[a plain farmer]

His waffling around the camn wagon and awkward hop off.

I took him off of l-1, why would you push that...

You guys see this? "Why'd you suspect me for having done this super townie thing?"

But that would be too-easy towncred for him had it gone as he'd expected and camn went unlynched.

Right up until it actually happened, camn's lynch was by no means not imminent. I think most people expected the votes to shift back to Cakez. SRMP was just trying to save her from the quickhammer so that either a mislynch or the more-preferred lynch of his scumbuddies could happen instead.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

His waffling around the camn wagon and awkward hop off.

I took him off of l-1, why would you push that...

You guys see this? "Why'd you suspect me for having done this super townie thing?"

But that would be too-easy towncred for him had it gone as he'd expected and camn went unlynched.

Right up until it actually happened, camn's lynch was by no means not imminent. I think most people expected the votes to shift back to Cakez. SRMP was just trying to save her from the quickhammer so that either a mislynch or the more-preferred lynch of his scumbuddies could happen instead.

I wanted more discussion...

WHy are you trying to paint it as scummy? Your grasping for straws rn.

[Elyse]

How have I not made my stance on Cakez clear already?!?!?

As for Day 1, I'm just going to shelve it for after the game. Just know that I am judging you.

You didn't mention him today despite him being the leading wagon, which brings me to my next question:

Why aren't you voting Cakez?

Also I am judging you for not being able to read properly.

[SirCakez]

but then why werent you suspicious of me earlier for it?

I was.