Borderlands Mafia [GAME OVER]

[wgeurts]

Wait. Is it possible wgeurts set us up and targeted him because of this:

Rob You've already claimed cop, do you think you're surviving the night?

I'm really against lynching your claim on policy but it really sucks right now

Im a doctor.

Scum would want to rid the game of a doctor.

The problem is, neither wgeurts or pisskop have played a very town game, and I can't discern whether both of them, none of them, or one of them is scum... It's that damn difficult.

So the scum wouldn't just nightkill said doctor?
No, it's stupid to assume I'd do that as scum this blatantly. Also what kind of doctor claims like that?

[pisskop]

like I cant believe hes pulling the 'lynch me if hes town shit'

youre a fucking gladiator whose head is swollen. you literally 1v1me and lost as a confirmed gladiator.

[wgeurts]

I'd venture a guess that if NotNot/wgeurts is scum, he is aafter's partner and that was intended distance on his behalf D1.

What?

[wgeurts]

like I cant believe hes pulling the 'lynch me if hes town shit'

youre a fucking gladiator whose head is swollen. you literally 1v1me and lost as a confirmed gladiator.

Exactly.
I'm also a stubborn over-confident prick at times.

Difference is I'm town and you're not.

[pisskop]

We cant keep him alive. youre sending a message to all would be heroes that this

sublime>

amoint of antitown diddling is okay.

this lynch was never About who was scum. I can see that by how be grovels.

this is about who is the least helpful to the town.

[wgeurts]

And to be blunt, Rob, a lot of your other points are highly circumstantial. Wguerts has been lurking? Pisskop has lurked harder. Pisskop's stance on the Dwlee wagon is hard to believe - "tso's clearly scum for pushing an awful lynch" - yet he

didn't resist it once and ended up hammering it?

Pisskop being "suspected by everyone" doesn't make him any more likely to be town than not.

This reads like a post by someone who's never been in or read a game pisskop was in before. You're confusing his playstyle with alignment. Lately, he's been playing like town!pisskop, in my opinion. He lurks more as scum, based on what I've read in the past, and he doesn't try to sort like this.

TSO was my first scum partner on site, and was an SK when I was scum about a year ago. Hes been in a handful of my games, including one where I posted 400 times in a 2000 post game.

He knows how I play, hes pushing this for towncredit.

Is this a slip?
How could he get town credit if you are town?

[wgeurts]

Hah, we will see how helpful I am once we have a flipped scum.

[wgeurts]

How many pages of of Pisskop disrepping and not responding to accusations must I read?

[wgeurts]

Why aren't we lynching the player that literally claimed scum

[Skullduggery]

"Call me old-fashioned, but every moment I'm not shooting someone in the face feels wasted."
~Nisha

Day 2, Vote Count #11

Only wgeurts and pisskop are eligible for the Day 2 lynch

Current Vote Count:

(0)

Rob13

(0)

Nicole Mimi Tithel

(0)

beeboy

(0)

YT2980

(0)

I_Am_Not_Varsoon

(0)

T S O

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Suzune

(0)

Maxous

(0)

CooLDoG

(0)

Flubbernugget

(0)

Venmar

(0)

grapes

(7)

wgeurts -- pisskop, Venmar, beeboy, grapes, Suzune, Rob13, Nicole Mimi Tithel

(0)

Almost50

(0)

Nero Cain

(0)

Elyse

(0)

popsofctown

(7)

pisskop -- wgeurts, Almost50, Maxous, popsofctown, CooLDoG, YT2980, T S O

(0)

SirCakez

Not Voting:

I_Am_Not_Varsoon, PeregrineV, Flubbernugget, Nero Cain, Elyse, SirCakez

With 20 votes available, it takes 11 votes to hammer.

Day 2 Will End on Monday, February 29th, at 8 p.m. eastern time.
Countdown: (expired on 2016-02-29 20:00:00)

[pisskop]

I have nothing left to say. Ive lain out my crumbs, refuted the people who used appropriate not-flawwed logic, shown the errors of the others, and interacted with anyone else around. Ive explained how my role is suerior to his and how his played cannot go unanswered lest less stupid people folliw his suit as scum.

Others posit theories about yougurts targetong easy lynches, lying about shots, and lurksacking and I agree he was lurking.

I guess meta?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=64414


I play like this a lot. my scum game in contrast is much better.



Im fairly sure by now wgeurts really is town and really is this bad. Hes trying to rip quotes from context and claim they are slips now in his despaurationto not be that guy who lost his own gladiation

[wgeurts]

But one shitty night action for Wguerts' death? When Nicole flipped, we would see her ability, we would see the night action that she was able to carry out, and our suspicion on Wguerts would be even stronger than before.

He is confident enough that he wouldn't be scum read for this so he would be safe. If you think I would defend Dwlee as scum doing something as ballsy as that betting I fail to see how you don't see the situation where someone expects themselves to be town read for doing something too scummy to be scum to be possible. Even if he fails to save Nicole he could save her night action and get town cred for being to scummy to be scum.

Have you ever read a scum game of mine?

[Nicole Mimi Tithel]

Ugh I actually read that wgeurts wall in its entirety instead of skimming it.

:/

@wgeurts: I am pretty sure most of what you pointed out is more a sign of apathetic play than pisskop being scum. 274 isn't him caring about "standings"; it was an indirect way of saying dwlee-town would make some people more likely to be scum in his opinion, i.e. it would help him solidify scum reads on other people (like TSO). From there, the mindset is consistent, and I could easily enough see him hammering just to get the flip over with, especially if he was waiting for info from it. Did you take issue with his approach on a general level, or am I missing something?

Some of your other points (i.e. the one about 1511) don't look like you actually thought through it at all, and came up with them as afterthoughts; i.e. nothing was really lost from pisskop's hammer there bc the day had dragged on forever and dwlee was basically the guaranteed lynch.

I also am curious why you specifically chose to post really in-depth reads on only 4 (+pisskop) of the other players, and why us.

[Nicole Mimi Tithel]

Also I want to make POSTS which will come tomorrow night, no one rush a lynch until I've been able to do so.

[wgeurts]

Lol Pisskop. I've far from lost.
I'm in the middle of the fray right now and this 1v1 is going exactly as 1v1's tend to.
Which is great as the information raised from this will be great.
You haven't refuted anyone, quote a single post where you have. Also keep disrepping bro.

[wgeurts]

Mimi, it wasn't not caring.
He only posted about Dwlee and had all his attention on that wagon. He positioned himself to join it at any time and after he hammers he tries to draw town credit. The fact he responds to everyone that pushes him means he is following the game. This isn't apathetic town. I

[wgeurts]

Notice you 4 are the first 4 on the playerlist, and Pisskop I had promise a post on. I'm doing you in order of playerlist.

[Nicole Mimi Tithel]

He only posted about Dwlee and had all his attention on that wagon. He positioned himself to join it at any time and after he hammers he tries to draw town credit. The fact he responds to everyone that pushes him means he is following the game. This isn't apathetic town. I

You're seeing his "dwlee-town would make TSO scum" as an excuse, then? What do you think he would have done as town in place of that?

Do/how do you see his recent hard push on TSO coming from scum? (I'm aware this is after the gladiate, this is unrelated)

[Venmar]

@Mod - I am now officially going to be V/LA from tomorrow (Thursday, February 18th) up until the end of Sunday, February 21st due to a trip to Vegas. It is very unlikely that I will post in this time period. Possible, but unlikely.

[Maxous]

Yeah he's a strong scum read of mine who's coasting by. Getting nowhere near as much attention as Piss, Nicole, Pops, etc which is irritating, although some of that is understandable with the guilty and gladiate and all.

Well I looked through his ISO then.
I would lean-town on beeboy.
though yes, it would be nice if he talked about a few more people.

Can you explain this?

because i don't see the problem with him apart from perhaps a few too reads for so many posts.
his defence of dwlee was fine, he changed his mind because things like that happen and his vote on TSO was fine as well.

[Maxous]

Why are you so bent on him role-claiming?

I'm ngl, I think it's a bad decision. Damned if he is, damned if he don't as one might say... But he has a higher chance of remaining alive if he doesn't claim and if he doesn't give scum any unnecessary information.

The way you're going about this could easily be because you're wanting your scum partners to have more info after you are nk'd or lynched. Why should he trust you? Why should he trust that your intent is for the better?

I stand by Rob for now.

this is an impressive amount of waffling that says shag all.
you were also waffling about wguerts IIRC
first scum-read noted.

[wgeurts]

As town I would have expected him to explain why he didn't like the push on Dwlee and interact with those he doesn't like. Instead he makes posts which seem to indicate he knows what Dwlee will flip and he fence sits until joining the wagon. I can see his push on TSO as scum. TSO is a competent player and all Piss is really doing is avoiding actually answering TSO while trying to make TSO look as bad as possible. Notice how he discredits all that push him, calling them morons and never responding to their content? Hell, I even reached out to him and he shrugged me off as a fool.

[wgeurts]

I have little credibility in the push as people don't trust me, TSO however is a genuine threat to Pisskop so from a scum minded perspective making him look as untrustworthy as possible is a good move.

[wgeurts]

Rob is justified in distrusting me. If what he says is true I believe I would do the same. Me drawing the lynch away from a claimed guilty was a little dumb I'll admit.
If anyone protects Mimi though they'll basically be scum claiming later when they claim their role. If she is still alive by tomorrow we should lynch her anyway.

YT jumping around between me and Pisskop has felt rather forced and unnatural, he may be somebody to look into more later as I've already got a scum read on him.

[wgeurts]

I'm going to continue my reads posts this afternoon, I've got some really strong town reads which are just as important as scum reads. Venmar for instance is serious town bloc material.