Newbie 1677 (Game Over)

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Evening from Britain, I don't blame it on Canada, I blame it on people with disc shaped hats.

Vote:eventi

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Ok, should we get to work on finding the scum now we've all made random votes.

Unvote

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@Natsu: Yes, you are too poorly uninformed, so read the wiki!!! And I don't want to waste the first day getting killed by the scum trying to fool you all, yes Natsu, I'm pointing the finger at you, you literally jumped on a bandwagon against me when you are 'too uninformed to handle' and claim I'm trying to skip the RVS, how do you even know what that means if you're not informed well enough, I've been playing since before Christmas and know less than you!!

Vote:Natsu

@MochaMan This is my 3rd game on this site, however I have had some impeccable rounds of TIMV where I as detective have correctly chosen who to lynch 4/5 times, I have played over 150 rounds through all 3 classes I think.

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To post 49:
Quote 1: Over 40% of the players on what is supposed to be a newbie game have already played 3 games on this site, this is my 3rd and from the past experience of my 2 games, the newbs always follow lead of the SEs, I suppose I get to exploit that when I complete this game though.
Quote 2: so you're telling me you trust a newb to do reads?

TIMV stands for Trouble in Mineville, it's a Mafia game on Minecraft, the rules on organised lynches are relaxed so 1 person can take out any number of people at once.

I have no idea what RVS and OMGUS stand for, if someone could explain that it would be useful.

Ruku, I started at L-1, what do you mean getting to L-1 this early?
Also, good point about hawkleader, although backing me up is non-alignment indicative if I am town (which I am as you'll find out if you vote me off).

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I'm going to assume that now accusations are flying, RVS (whatever that is) is over.

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I was used to L-x being used to represent someone's level, so I would be L-1 at the moment, Mafia Scum is L-2 and so on.

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Werewolves work exactly like the Mafia, but often only appear in a game where there are 2 enemy parties, in my case werewolves won, as you saw.

No, you (all 8 of you) don't suck, I just don't handle accusations well, as Natsu's read has suggested.

So, in order of scumminess so far (I won't include me, I hate it when people put themselves at the top of these lists).

mykonian - contradictory posts, poor read on eventi - scum lean
hawkleader3 - trying to push blame onto someone - slight scum lean
Natsu and the rest - useful comments e.t.c. - neutral
MochaMan - could just be down to me trusting him more - slight town lean

Unvote

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Read Updates:

mykonian - continues to fail to explain contradictory comments, poor read on eventi - strong scum lean
hawkleader3 - trying to push blame onto someone - slight scum lean
PhantomCobalt - Something's just off - very slight scum lean
Natsu and the rest - useful comments e.t.c. - neutral
MochaMan - PC makes a good comment about too many questions, but otherwise clean - neutral

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Eventi hasn't made a significant impact on the game yet, so he's neutral.

You mentioned 'his last post' - he doesn't point at PC, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
And you still haven't explained why you contradicted yourself - very strong scum lean.

Vote:mykonian

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@Ruku, not vote them off until we have removed active scum, if people see irregular log-ins, post about it here and we will decide whether to vote for them or not.

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I think you'll find I have voted too.

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@Ruku: Do you not read any of your previous posts, I suggested a solution to your problem of inactive players, just don't vote for them, and check if they log in without posting.
@PC: You'll have to trust that I directed the killing at the traitors correctly 4/5 times that game in TIMV. I play on Hive too, my username on MC is the same as it is on here.
@jachawk: I didn't say I was experienced.

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PC, who do you support in the BPL? I'm a United fan but hate LVG.

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Time for a seriously considered vote based on everyone's evidence, the 2 of the 3 players I trust (and if I vote wrong and I'm scum that means only 1 of them is scum) have voted hawkleader so...

Vote:hawkleader3

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Poke prevention post, thanks for realising that jachawk, although I think everyone had seen my reactions by that point (and if you've not read them Lia, you probably don't want to).

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I did put him at L-1, but Ruku then unvoted to make it L-2 (fishy)???

@hawkleader3: Oh, I get what a claim is now, I didn't know what one was before (look at me, it's my 3rd game and I didn't even know what it meant), I didn't force you to claim, I had 2 people I trusted on you, so I voted, and (here's my claim seen as you'll all vote for me if hawk turns out as scum) if I had an accomplice, I wouldn't have voted so soon, I have no power-role (tbh, it's a hard life if you have one) so I'm

Vanilla Townie

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I've figured out other scum if hawk is scum. It's Ruku, anyone who pulls out at L-1 is obviously scum if the lynchee is.

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Ok, I still have no idea where this is going, I can't get any more reads on people and we need to acheive a lynch to get this game going.

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MochaMan 2: PC, hawkleader3
hawkleader3 1: Lia
Lia 3: jachawk, mykonian, Me
Me 1: MochaMan
No Vote 2: Natsu, Ruku

Stats^^

Vote intentions are fairly normal Lia.
And you haven't justified you vote, so for now...

Vote:Lia

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Friendship Chains:
PC - MochaMan - mykonian
Me - Natsu
Lia
Ruku - hawkleader3
jachawk

If anyone wishes to expand on these links, go for it.

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Ok, I hope that Lia is scum, otherwise you will all incorrectly vote for me next round, scum will probably try to frame me too.

By friendship chains I'm talking about the main partnerships between players, the likelyhood is that one group of 2 (Me and Natsu for example) or two groups of 1 (Lia and jachawk) are scum as there is 2 scum among us.

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@hawkleader3, you should have seen last game when someone proposed that scum voted for one another, it leads to a scum victory.

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This will also be my last post before N1, good luck, sorry Lia if you are town.

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I do question why both scum didn't kill.

Who would kill PC though?
It could have been Ruku, as the 2 had disagreements about me, but that's justme hating on Ruku.

And Mocha, don't give the game away like in 261.

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@hawkleader3: And your the scummiest person who wasn't on the Lia wagon.

Vote:hawkleader3

@mykonian: We had 1 kill for each scum in Monks and Masons though???

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@MochaMan: don't say, no matter the circumstance, who you're trying to apply pressure to.

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Prod dodge, was kind of expecting hawkleader to defend himself or attack me by now though.

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@hawkleader3: Not voting is non-alignment indicative, and you revealed the $%&£[!* plan again.

Can we make it clear that pressure only works if it's legitimate.

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@Ruku, I think you'll find I pick up on most abbreviations WHEN THE IC EXPLAINS THEM, like LYLO.

@hawkleader3: People don't apply pressure for the sake of it (excluding scum), they apply pressure because they are trying to produce a read.

@Natsu: No, I was being toe jam on Day 1 (is it really a thing or is it an urban legend?).

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Why do you think I'm playing dumb - I played a similar game to this before, but I've since shed my confidence because none of my skill there applies here. In the other 2 games, no one else used odd language such as RVS and OMGUS, partially because I've only played 1 and a half games, I started Day 2 in my first Newbie game so I didn't get the RVS idea. If you read imkingdavid's last post on Newbie 1663, you'll see his recommendation, which is why I joined this game.

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Me(2) - mykonian, hawkleader3
hawkleader3(2) - Me, jachawk
jachawk(1) - Ruku

NV(2) - Natsu, MochaMan

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Prod dodge, no time tonight, will post tomorrow.

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Might need to prod mykonian as well, although it would be a nightmare with a new IC.

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@hawkleader3: Are you asking him to vote? Forcing a vote is pretty scummy.

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@Ruku:
hawkleader3: scum
Ruku: scum lean
Natsu: null
jachawk: town lean
mykonian: town lean
MochaMan: town lean

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@Mocha - You say players, but it was a hydra, look carefully and you'll notice that the players on the scum thread weren't on the game thread.

@Ruku - Don't start a new wagon, although everything is pointing towards you and hawkleader being scum atm. Thankfully we're at a stage where we can afford to sacrifice someone to prove/disprove scum.

If Ruku is scum:
hawkleader is scum

If Ruku is town:
Me and mykonian or jachawk are scum

If jachawk is scum:
hawkleader3 and Ruku are town

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Well, it looks like it's down to Ruku, me or him, you can't dodge this one.

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@mykonian: change your vote to hawkleader3, he's got a wagon, lurking and now he's having the attention dragged off him by Ruku.

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@mykonian: Can you look at the hawk wagon, we need a lynch.

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2 scum in Ruku, hawkleader3 and Natsu in my opinion.

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Actually, mykon's analysis of your scum comments has been fairly useful this evening.

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If we lynch incorrectly it's LYLO next round, so it could be worse if we do lynch.

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Then join our wagon.
We think he's scum and we don't want him in LYLO anyway.

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Not for all his scum reads.

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I'll be back before 2 p.m. GMT (dusk) so if the game changes, I'll know about it.

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1hr 6m. Come on mykonian

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@jachawk: Big up the working class!!!

@mykonian: Seen as you won't vote for Maestro/hawkleader

Unvote

Vote:Ruku

I think we've established that most partnerships discussed by my half of the group involve Ruku.

@Maestro:Day 1: I try to skip RVS, Ruku goes agro, I get to L-1, in the end Lia gets lynched for making dodgy comments.
Day 2: After several slips by hawkleader, we got him to L-1 but mykonian (the last of the 7 I can confirm to be town) refused to vote for him.
And that gets you up to now.

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Someone defending someone else? No I don't find that suspicious actually.

Well, it shows a potential scum/town partnership and I'm fairly convinced that you're scum.

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Maestro: 1: MochaMan
tojam2: 1: Maestro
Ruku: 1: tojam2
mykonian: 2: Ruku, Natsu
Natsu: 1: mykonian
NV: 1: jachawk

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I find it funny that it's the SEs that need replacing (Random Canadian, eventi and hawkleader3), not the newbies.

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Vote:mykonian

Stop stalling the game.

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It's MYLO isn't it.

Maestro wouldn't have killed Mocha, as that would be too obvious (unless it's a double bluff).
The Mafia Roleblocker can no longer use his skill as all other skills have been used.

Based on most incorrect lynches it's me and Ruku that are scum so:

VOTE: Ruku

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I WILL get the next pagetop.

Ruku isn't replying, I'm concerned that with a new player, the game may be messed up to the point where we can no longer work out scum.

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Yeah, no-one is counterclaiming so:

Towniest:
MochaMan
jachawk
Natsu
Maestro (hawkleader's poor defense has been taken account of)
Ruku - You're the only other person to incorrectly lynch twice.

A lynch this round requires all 4 town (me,mocha,jachawk,natsu) to vote for the same person, unless either Ruku or Maestro want to go through their posts (and hawkleader's Maestro) and provide us with some hard evidence that they are not scum.

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Maestro, speaking of slimy stereotypical accountants, I am considering taking Mathematics with Statistics for Finance.

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That was the point of the vote - to apply pressure; then Maestro changes his mind and "accidentally" votes for myko.

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Anyone home?

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Scum partnerships that I think ring truest:

Ruku - Maestro (my opinion
Maestro - jachawk (Lia's opinion)
Ruku - Natsu (myko vote)
Mocha - Me (indrectly backs me up)

Intend to vote Maestro.

unvote

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Which was Ruku's reason I couldn't be scum, now if you don't mind, could you defend yourself with some NEW evidence Maestro.

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HAH pagetop!

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He mentioned that they were both town last page.

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Maestro, if I don't have a valid scum partner, what's the point in voting for me?

VOTE: Maestro

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Prod request: Maestro

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And Ruku and jachawk.

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I just have more time now, it's the holidays in Britain.

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Natsu, it was either you and him, or him and Maestro as scum.

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I'm happy with that lynch, welcome Witch_Hunter. VOTE: Maestro

About my playstyle, atm my playstyle is naturally scummy, you've seen Natsu's earlier posts about my previous games I hope, although I have only been lynched on the last day or not at all, so it's working somehow.

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Good game, see you all next time, and unlike my last Newbie game, I had literally no idea who the scum was.