Open 620: Duck Duck Goose Game Over, Mafia Victory

[RadiantCowbells]

Mayor here.

Claims to me pls

[RadiantCowbells]

I forgot that criticizing Mathilda's logic made her scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you don't want to do egg for whatever reason there's other people we can hit up.
Newbie, Mathilda, everyone else who is town. Please. Work with me.

[RadiantCowbells]

You are scum Pip stop talking to me.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, it's not.

Scum don't always hide. Some scum players play very confidently and try to lead town.

Since no town players stepped up to the plate scum decided to lead this game to their ends.

We lynch in {Egg/Droog/Pip} today.

[RadiantCowbells]

Mathilda is not being flipped.

You guys are so incredibly cheeky. if town was actually making an effort we'd be ripping you guys apart right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

Newbie, please vote Egg.

[RadiantCowbells]

I was sitting on the sidelines because Taly and Farrar disagreed with all my reads.

Lowell flipped town. I'm calling the shots now.

[RadiantCowbells]

so what you're saying

is that I need to give explanations and examples instead of relying on "welp I'm RC."

unlike rf3 where every time he overrides taly and johnny

I did absolutely nothing D1 even though I was townreading Lowell because their reads disagreed with mine.

Now they've basically disappeared from thread I have strong scum reads so I'm going to push them.

[RadiantCowbells]

I did absolutely nothing D1 even though I was townreading Lowell because their reads disagreed with mine.

whats your point
your reads were so different form theirs
that it became hard to sort you

regardless of the fact that they were driving
and you were backseat

personally im fine with waiting on you
until we get more flipts
but if you want to give more examples
id love a back and forth

No, see this isn't going to be happening because you're trying to lynch my townreads.
I'm not okay with my townreads being lynched.
I'm not positive if you're scum or not but continue to try to lynch my townreads and you will be lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

Dude Mathilda isn't scummy and I don't understand the wagon whatsoever.

[RadiantCowbells]

Scum are trying hard, town besides myself and Mathilda are just lurksaucing.

Vote with me for town win.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not positive that Droog is scum, he could be poorly playing townie.

SP and Egg have to go.

[RadiantCowbells]

3 more votes for the first scum flip of the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, I want you to trust me and lynch Egg if you are in fact town.

[RadiantCowbells]

JF3 = me right?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like you've legitimately put me in a position where the correct play for us would be to post our role PM and get modkilled so you'd know that I'm town here and stop sheeping scum onto crap wagons.
Taly insisted on BPing N1 because he figured that we'd get NKed with me in the hydra so we can't even return fire.
This game is just nonsensical.
last post, bye!

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't say I was willing to break the rules, I said that it would be the 'correct play'.

Egg remains scum and is just pissed off at the prospect of me having potentially been confirmed as town and my push justified.

I'm done here. Egg lynch best lynch!
Peace out Mathilda, you're awesome.

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't say I was willing to break the rules, I said that it would be the 'correct play'.

Egg remains scum and is just pissed off at the prospect of me having potentially been confirmed as town and my push justified.

I'm done here. Egg lynch best lynch!
Peace out Mathilda, you're awesome.

[RadiantCowbells]

Never join a game with me under any account Egg.

[RadiantCowbells]

I've made my case to the mods, but I'd also everyone in this game to be aware of this.

No, correct play isn't to ruin a game just like it's not to quit when you don't get your way. Either you are town who wants to just tell people what to do without using any logic or reasoning and getting frustrated when it doesn't work or you are scum pretending to replace out (or doing it tactically which is against rules) so people will cater to you. Either way it's bullshit. Hard to believe your play can be even worse than the last time I played with you. Thought having two heads who I repect on your side would help things. Guess not.

Note to self: no more games with RC.

Seriously I like to play with people who actually play the game.

It's bullshit whether he's town or scum. He's either town who is threatening to ruin the game or he's scum who is breaking rules. And either way he's pulling BS just to get his way.

Mod, RC pulled himself from the game already and has implied he's willing to break rules. Can you confirm that he is out of the game and can not return?

At no point in this game did I suggest that I'd be willing to break rules. The comment about getting modkilled was a throwaway line that was clearly related to my townread on Mathilda.
Egg sought outside intervention to remove a player who had caught onto him as scum to aid his win condition and horribly misrepresented said situation to the mod team.
For the record, if this situation is not found in my favour I'm leaving the site. You should feel ashamed Egg.

[RadiantCowbells]

As an aside, well played to the rest of the scumteam and Mathilda especially who was on point.

[RadiantCowbells]

I won't argue with you about what you did and did not do because I already know from the tone and the context. Mafia skills at work. Don't ever try to play with me again.

[RadiantCowbells]

Mathilda was painfully town

[RadiantCowbells]

why do you think she was scum?

I can't even approach thinking that she's scum no matter what mental gymnastics I pull.

[RadiantCowbells]

Mathilda was painfully town

But the point still stands:
Clearly not everyone felt that way (and even if they did)

You went after me, for trying to get her to show she was town.

I literally spend ALL of D2 (even late D1)
with a completely genuine:
'Mathilda, if you actually are town, answer my questions to make clear to everyone what the townie-thought-process behind your actions is/was, because clearly your approach isn't working'
Sure i went from believing 50/50 'just feeding scum more rope to hang themselves'/'helping out a lost townie'(end D1), to 'prob-scum'(early D2) to 'this guy who's convincing her she's 'obv-town'-enough, she should get herself mislynched over this, is really likely to be scum'(end D2) over the course of the whole thing, but still.

Make no mistake here, mathilda got mislynched, because you convinced her, not to let me help

This is your opinion.

I don't particularly find it useful considering you were wrong about all your reads and I wasn't, but I'll keep it in mind.

[RadiantCowbells]

Your opinion.

I don't find that it's objectively true.

[RadiantCowbells]

I definitely pushed back against a ton of people who were town because I was getting frustrated by the terrible wagons that they were leading.

I'm sure that if I had the ability to create pressure against them I would have been able to sort them more proficiently than I was.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think you're missing my point.
I didn't get to explore my reads at all because you kept pushing on people that I knew were town.
My reads would have been considerably better if you'd given an ounce of trust to the strength of my Mathilda townread and let me explore other avenues.

Maybe I could have dealt with things better?
But you could have also just not lynched Mathilda. It's not Mathilda's fault she got lynched, and it's not mine.
It's town's. As a collective. And the people who actually voted her take the brunt of the blame, if there's blame to be had.

[RadiantCowbells]

I get my reads through poking and prodding people to see how they react.
I can't poke and prod people when town's ignoring me, my votes mean nothing, and the only people getting poked and prodded are people that I already know are town.
But this isn't about the game, I don't think.

you did not get to explore your reads because people did not blindly trust you in a game where the core premise is to not blindly trust you. then i indeed missed your point.

*shrug*
then we are at an impasse.

[RadiantCowbells]

Thank you!

[RadiantCowbells]

you can blame us for not wanting anything to do with you guys anymore all you like, but you didn't lynch any scum after we were gone.

so...

[RadiantCowbells]

You're blaming the people who spoke up against town's horrible dogmatic tunneling on people who spoke up against the town circlejerk for having not swayed the town circlejerk into voting scum instead.

That's not how the game works.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you guys managed to lynch scum after I was gone you'd have a case.

you didn't.

so I think that vindicates everything that both of us were saying.

this isn't a situation where it's justified for you to go and blame us when we were both victims of the blind tunneling of half of the town.

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't play a great game because I wasn't able to play a great game because town was groupthinking onto terrible wagons.
I was not responsible for the awful groupthink that lost this game, you guys were.
Why does whether or not I played a great game come into question: answer- because you're trying to knock me down to your level.

I objectively was not a part of any of the terrible groupthink that killed town. I'm satisfied with that, and if there hadn't been that groupthink that excluded me I would have been able to do well.

[RadiantCowbells]

yes, it is.

I don't think that's a hard conclusion for you to grasp unless you're wilfully refusing to grasp it.

I pinned both of the early lynches as town. You're expecting me to both have fully accurate reads without being able to pressure people and to be able to sway you guys out of your terrible groupthink while you guys are claiming to scumread me for absolutely bogus reasons that essentially boil down to 'he's standing outside of our mad lynch crowd- GET HIM!'

so yeah. it is your (collective) fault I didn't do more for town. Why do you think I wanted to leave in the first place? come now.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wasn't a slip. we hadn't used the arming at the time.

[RadiantCowbells]

The game you cite as optimal play by me, Titus, is one where I failed to keep one of my major townreads (MM4) from getting lynched, failed to clarify my Pistachi0n townread enough to prevent her from getting lynched either, and also failed to get any traction on any of my scumreads, several of whom were correct.

We're not really going to get anywhere here.
IF you're actually talking about the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

2 games have been lost because of me getting my way too much, and they were Slavic Music 2 and Radjarok 2.
I can't begin to count the number of games lost because I got my way too little.
I have no plans of adjusting my playstyle at this time.

[RadiantCowbells]

I value reading people correctly more than actually winning because actually winning is dependent on others and reading correctly is dependent on myself.

Not really cut out for team sports but hey!

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think that's a fair criticism though.

I tried to get everyone to stop voting Mathilda. It's not like I was just like oh mathilda is town look at me post game read are so good.

I tried pretty damn hard to keep her alive. I couldn't.

[RadiantCowbells]

There's absolutely room for improvement, I'm not saying there's not.
But what I see as needing improvement may not be quite what you do.