Borderlands Mafia [GAME OVER]

[YT2980]

Beeboy why is Suzune a town read for you? She's null at best for me, I can't remember any major pushes she's made.

There hasn't been a point in this game where I can't remember Suzune not actively trying to driving the game forward.

And how does that equate to her being town in your estimation? Active doesn't always = town.

[Rob14]

I mean, aside from pisskop potentially blocking your kill, Rob's death wouldn't save you from literally everyone else who wants you dead. Your team probably has a roleblock, and it's clear that you're not the RB, so they don't fear him while they can block him.

So much this. You have a better chance of living with me alive and refusing to full claim than me dead and confirmed, in my opinion. If they can roleblock me, they can potentially push me as a scum investigative PR in future days as well, as many have already tried to do.

[YT2980]

Nice ploy scum if that's the case. Not falling for it.

[Rob14]

Peregrine should really have used his LR last night to guarantee an investigation for Rob. I have no idea why he didn't.

Wouldn't that have resulted on Rob's action as well being redirected to Peregrine???

Yeah, and I wouldn't have trusted such a result, whatever it was. Way too much random PRs all targeting the same person (and likely killing him, for that matter) could do very odd things.

[beeboy]

And how does that equate to her being town in your estimation? Active doesn't always = town.

Effort not being alignment indicative is more to something I believe in to degrade simply assuming inactive people are scum. People who replace/inactive for awhile and come in and have big walls are town when really making a big wall like that is the only line of play. Or in Nicole's case activity doesn't take away from the fact you are a guilty.

One of the the things you need to look for is that is that effort driving the game forward and does it not have other potential motifs in Suzune's case it does.

[Rob14]

Anyway, I'm pretty much just twiddling my thumbs waiting for the Mimi lynch.

[SirCakez]

I do think activity can be alignment-indicative but it depends on the player. Like Peregrine being fairly active this game was a strong indicator he was town.
Rob what do you think of TSO?

[YT2980]

Anyway, I'm pretty much just twiddling my thumbs waiting for the Mimi lynch.

Not until flubbernugget pops in honestly.

[Suzune]

I guess I disagree with Rob and Almost about the lightning rod. Perhaps because I played on in a large before, however, I think if it was perhaps used then the redirect could have cleared Rob and if he was faking the role it would catch them in a lie. Peri could have used it to his advantage because he would be holding all the cards going into today.

[SirCakez]

Grapes, Flubber, Elyse, Pops all need to post. Maxous as well but I'm less worried about him due to him being very likely Friendly Neighbor.

[Flubbernugget]

At this point I think my optimal catch up is to read from d3 onward. So I'm probably missing a bunch of stuff

[Flubbernugget]

Elyse > TSO methinks.

She has been a quiet, albeit crucial part of back-to-back mislynches. The majority of her votes are now either confirmed town, or people I feel certain about, and that makes me think she's either a horrible town player... Or she's scum. The latter sounds more feasible.

Sleeping this

[Flubbernugget]

(11) wgeurts -- pisskop, Venmar, beeboy, grapes, Suzune, Rob13, Nicole Mimi Tithel, Elyse, SirCakez, popsofctown, RadiantCowbells

Any bets on the # of scum here? I'm betting atleast 6+

Considering the kerfuffle between rob and mimi that seems scum sided

[Almost50]

I got to post #[post]3660[/vote] and Nicole is still whining, so I thought I'd give her something to ponder on:

TL;DR VERSION FOR PEOPLE LIKE VENMAR

TOWNTOWNTOWN (S->W)

02 Rob13
24 SirCakez
09 PeregrineV
08 T S O

TOWN (S->W)

13 CooLDoG
05 beeboy
17 wgeurts
16 grapes
08 T S O

NULL

07 I_Am_Not_Varsoon
08 T S O
12 Maxous
22 popsofctown

CONCERNED WITH (LOOK HERE IF THIS WINDS UP BEING MULTIBALL) (W->S)

08 T S O
23 pisskop
11 Suzune
06 YT2980
15 Venmar

SCUM (W->S)

08 T S O
14 Flubbernugget
20 Nero Cain
18 Almost50
21 Elyse

Notice your hilarious reads?? Peregrine did flip town alright, but you also had RC (I_Am_Not_Varsoon) in the null section and Venmar as scum if this MB. News flash: It's very likely MB and Venmar flipped town.

But that's not it. You also had PK as scum in a MB scenario, but voted wgeurts who you put in the town section, and he did flip town.

Now I want to ask you this: Who would vote a town read of theirs over one that they think is leaning scum?? I also think putting TSO in all categories is a bit over the edge. If you can't get a read on him you put him in null. No?

Maybe I'm not making the best of arguments, but I'm really tired of your whining post after post and page after page and complaining we're not reading into your "poor" reads and analysis. You curse more than you blink or breath and your refuse to help the town and even state that you don't want us to win. If I was a day vig I would've used my ability on you just to save my soar eyes from seeing more posts of the same line of behaviour. You don't even seem to realize it's a game for fun and you're trying to piss off as many people as you could, like an ill-mannered child whose parents have just told them "no".

Go ahead. Curse and swear at me. I don't care anymore, cuz I've really had it over the top with this misbehaviour of yours.

[Flubbernugget]

I believe mimi needs to be policy lynched or rob needs to full claim

Mimi gets l-1 after everyone checks in

[Maxous]

so neither of two people crumbed a cop result.

-____-

blegh

[Flubbernugget]

Grapes, Flubber, Elyse, Pops all need to post. Maxous as well but I'm less worried about him due to him being very likely Friendly Neighbor.

Can someone fill me in on this fn thing

[Maxous]

@rob13: if you're a tracker just confirm it pls.
this ambiguous guilty has gone on too long and with a COP flipping I would like to know exactly what town-investigative you're claiming to be.
TIA

[Almost50]

Also UNVOTE: since that was L-1 pretty sure

No. That was L-2 by my count, and with your unvote it's L-3

[Maxous]

i don't want town to win this game, just that.

Nicole has to be lynched for this alone though.
how are we supposed to trust a slot that says this?

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: mimi

Changed my mind

It stays there till rob full claims

[Flubbernugget]

Or not

[Maxous]

(11) wgeurts -- pisskop, Venmar, beeboy, grapes, Suzune, Rob13, Nicole Mimi Tithel, Elyse, SirCakez, popsofctown, RadiantCowbells

Any bets on the # of scum here? I'm betting atleast 6+

there's like no reason to end the day yet. I'm betting that most of the votes on Mimi are scum wanting town cred for being on Mmi early.

I could see this being Beeboy, Almost or Pops (no offense).

Why are you apologizing for thinking someone is scum?

Also Nero answer my question. Where do you stand, or what is your opinion, on the game so far?

All you have to do is look @ my ISO.

Nero Cain couldn't be saying less if he was actively trying.
That "look at my ISO" is flat-out scummy as well.

[Nero Cain]

I was in the middle of a raid. Suze could have stopped being lazy and read my ISO to see my stance on the gamestate.

[Maxous]

I believe mimi needs to be

policy lynched

or rob needs to full claim

Curious choice of words.
Why "policy lynched" instead of lynched?
what alignment do you think she's flipping?