Mini 1758: Game Over

[curiouskarmadog]

Actually we shouldn't be in Lylo right now. With a 3rd of the game not posting and being ignored and actual scummy actions being overlooked I am clearly a distraction.

Unvote

tictac

VOTE: CKD

THIS THIS IS THE FIRST ACTUAL ANTI-TOWN THING I HAVE DONE. But I am obviously a distraction so get me out of this game.

You will be at Lylo tomorrow. If you don't know what that means please look it up.

Please lynch tictac tomorrow

Pay attention to who votes who when. Pay attention who jumped off what wagon first . Please be smart here. When rereading look who is actually looking for scum and who is doing nothing. Actions speak louder than words.

I will post fri or sat (when in front of a computer) to give some thoughts and reply to tictac. Ignore the tjoughts now but tomorrow PLEASE REVIEW THEM!

Games like this is the reason I quit for years.

[tictac]

UNVOTE:
I think he's genuinely pissed :/

VOTE: UTL If ckd is town this is scum.
Extreme lurking explains the lack of block night 2.

Also: @ckd chill.

[a plain farmer]

I actually find CKD's AtE hard to swallow. He's not actually under that much pressure. He seems to be getting worked up at only having had a little bit of push-back from the town against his tictac case. The deadline is still a while off. I'd actually characterize this town as open-minded and thoughtful by the standards of most of the other games I've seen. All this is to say that, as a supposed veteran, CKD should probably have seen worse, and his reaction is disproportionate to what's actually happened.

And yes, it is scummy.

But I agree with him that the lurking, specifically UTL's lurking, is hurting town right now.

VOTE: UpTooLate

The good news: this lurking is reversible. We'd love to hear from you UTL!

[a plain farmer]

@ Loki

but I think I do trust curious more,

for another reason now.

Should I have known from the context what this other reason is?

Also, who is your #2 scumread?

[curiouskarmadog]

in front of a computer today.

UNVOTE:
I think he's genuinely pissed :/

VOTE: UTL If ckd is town this is scum.
Extreme lurking explains the lack of block night 2.

Also: @ckd chill.

thats unexpected.

[curiouskarmadog]

will update once I get my reports typed....could be tomorrow.

[curiouskarmadog]

mod please prod UTL

[Some Random Mafia Player]

THIS IS THE FIRST ACTUAL ANTI-TOWN THING I HAVE DONE.

If you know its anti town, why are you doing it?

The rant is useless anyway. We were indeed listening to him, as we put tictac at l-1, and the only pressure on him was from tictac, and he shouldent care about pressure from supposed scum...

Why do you care about tictacs pressure on you when your confident hes scum anyway?

[Performer]

mod please prod UTL

I have froze the deadline in search of a replacement, as of yesterday. UTL had to replace out.

[Performer]

VOTE COUNT 4.03

UpTooLate (2): tictac, a plain farmer
curiouskarmadog (1): curiouskarmadog
Zulfy (1): Lokiben

No vote (3): Some Random Mafia Player, UpTooLate, Zulfy

With 7 players alive, it takes 4/7 votes to lynch.

For deadlines & notes, please refer to this post – post 3 !

[Zulfy]

VOTE: tictac
Honestly putting him at L-1 mostly to bring some excitement back into this game

[UpTooLate]

I apologize for not being around more, I got unexpectedly busy. I had initially requested to be replaced because this game is hard for me to keep up with and I feel like I'm wasting a slot that could be more useful, but I really don't want to stall the game while said replacement is found. I had a cancellation today so I'm going to try to get caught up.

CKD please don't vote yourself.

[Zulfy]

Yea ckd pls

[UpTooLate]

Quick question, has anybody claimed to be blocked N1? I can’t remember. If not, could scum possibly be a 1 shot who wanted to wait until they thought they needed to RB, thus they waited until CKD was on the right track?

[a plain farmer]

No. And CKD's the only one who has claimed a role that can be blocked. (As I understand it, masons' night-talk can't be blocked)

We can add 1-shot RB to the list of things that may have caused the D3 failure, but there's probably nothing actionable we can do (or should do) on this question today.

[UpTooLate]

Ok but wouldn't line up with CKD's theory that he was RB'd right after he pushed Tic Tac, and explain why he wasn't RB'd night 2, because they didn't want to waste it if they didn't feel they needed to yet?

[UpTooLate]

wouldn't it*

[a plain farmer]

Indeed it would.

[Lokiben]

@ Loki

but I think I do trust curious more,

for another reason now.

Should I have known from the context what this other reason is?

Also, who is your #2 scumread?

I took a rather roundabout way of explaining it in that post, but it was the OMGUS. The spat between curious and tictac dissolved pretty quickly into OMGUSing the other person because the person OMGUSed you, and I think the cycle began with tictac, although curious isn't completely devoid of blame either.

tictac is my #2. Zulfy is my #1.

However, I agree with farmer, not tictac, about curious's rage. It was definitely uncalled for, and completely out of the blue. Literally one post by Zulfy in which he reiterated the 'Gross' post, and one post by me that was in no way antagonizing, came in between composed-and-collected curious, and ready-to-rage-quit curious. It felt faked.

So I don't feel confident in either a ckd or tictac lynch today.

[Zulfy]

Compromise on tictac today, lok

[pisskop]

Player List

1. Zulfy
2.

SilverWolf

ika
3. acryon
4. Elyse
5.

UpTooLate

pisskop
6. Curiouskarmadog
7. tictac
8. RadiantCowbells
9. camn
10. Some Random Mafia Player
11. Lokiben
12. SirCakez
13. a plain farmer

Spoiler: dead

ika - Vanilla Townie, lynched day 1 - refer to post 544
acryon - Vanilla Townie, night killed on night 1 -refer to post 545
camn - Mafia Goon, lynched day 2 - refer to post 1034
RadiantCowbells - Town Mason, night killed on night 2 - refer to post 1035
SirCakez - Vanilla Townie, lynched day 3 - refer to post 1243
Elyse - Town Mason, night killed on night 3 - refer to post 1244

hi

[pisskop]

See yall after movies.

[Performer]

Welcome, pisskop! He has replaced in for UpTooLate.

[a plain farmer]

Hi pisskop. Thanks for coming in this late into a game. I don't know how you like to read, but let me know if I can be of help in getting you up to speed.


@ Loki

Thanks. Regarding Zulfy, I'm interested in how you reconcile your read on him with the following two points:

1) He hammered Camn at a time when it seemed (to me, at least) that her wagon would soon disband in favor of SirCakez.

2) He came into Day 3 with a vote on Elyse. The argument for townreading him here is that the scumteam probably knew RC and Elyse were masons based on their kill that night, so scum Zulfy wouldn't have voted someone the town would believe to be conftown.

[tictac]

Heyah pisskop.

Spoiler: Updated UTL ISO

11 rvs farmer
29 join camn Rando has no avatar thing.
33 "Would page 2 quicklynch be a record?"
51 guess at movie.
189 defend against camns lurker pressure
217 like tictac over RC. False dichtomy. There was never RC vs tictac. RC was after me while I never seriously attacked RC. Push Cakez for wagoning. Push Rando for avatar+ blah content.
220 continue cakez push (wagon hopping)
222 ask Cakes about me. (justified)
297 "Why is camn scummier than tictac"
300 defend against lokiben (questions)
325 vote RC for changing his vote from me to camn. (chainsaw?)
363 defend against Cakez accusation(non productive RC vote) //Where did Cakez wagonhop idea originate?
accuse Cakes of waginhopping, ill defined reasons to scumread me.
scumread Elyse (sheep lokis reasoning), townread loki push him towards Cakez.
scumread Zulfy for prod dodging.
Ika not interested in doing anything.
Agree with Farmers POW on Elyse/loki (in conflict with agreeing with loki on his Elyse read). Sheep me on town!farmer.
369 clarify question.(was intended for loki)
371 null
409 null
413 Cakez: camn scumreading tictac but pushing cakez.
420 defend camn from cakez. Push Cakez(defensive,not pressuring reads).
462 Ika vote. (same reasoning as mine)
527 null (post-mortem push on Ika)

Day 2:
570 defend against cakez(Ika wagon too fast). sheep camn on cakez being scummy for thinking fastwagons probably have scum in them. "look at farmer now" (justified prob prompted by 550)
594 "Other than farmer's potential scumslip and the iffy hammer, I'm not seeing too much that's sticking out atm"
points to acryons Elyse thing, scumreads Elyse.
598 tictac: Don't misrep acryon.
604 defend against me.
acryon thing becomes tictac-Elyse pre-flip associative. Misrep of acryons Elyse-read becomes explicit.
620 tictac: Ye'r still misrepping.
630 Defend against me.
636 Zulfy: What's the point of this?
639 accuse me of misrepping him, saying he wasn't misrepping acryon.(totally was. See 644)
643 "speed of cakez wagon is disturbing."
720 null (express confusion about CKD thing)
776 vote CKD for outing masons (L-1 for anti-town behaviour)
861 unvote (until has a chance to read)(response to CKD pointing out the lack of scum motivation in what he did?)
889 rehash of the CKD thing.
I don't like how UTL seems to be taking everybody at their word, especially about camn saying CKD softed investigative. (Those posts did

not

look like investigative softs. It's possible UTL is sheeping me here.)
891 camn not lying, tunneling, but pushing too fast and giving bad vibes. votes camn. (I feel like this scumread is really weak, but might be playstyle?)
894 @camn "why didn't you lay it all out at the very beginning?"

Day 3:
1098 NULL. (confusion about Elyse wagon)
1187 "from what I've skimmed, and the first 2 Days, pretty sure I'll be going with cakez."(sheep general town opinion)
1194 like tictac case. Interesting that didn't comment on one of the points being Ika vote(UTL was on that wagon for the same exact reasons I was)
Cakez flailing and grasping at straws. Intent to hammer.
Lokis voting throwing her off.
1223 waiting for me. Question about Elyse(non-scumhunt since Elyse conftown)
1240 hammer cakez quoting Elyse.(Shift responsibility, not interested in reactions to my post apparently)

Day 4:
1289 NULL
1336 re-appers when under pressure, evidence that was in fact following the thread while not posting.
1338,1340 defense, push me.

day1: Some defense of camn. camns vote on UTL pure lurker-pressure+ unmotivated shift back to me.
day2: put CKD at L-1 for anti-town behaviour. Uncharasteristic because otherwise thoughtful. Did vote camn, but repped her more as tunneling than as scum.
day3: sheeped town on Cakez, but so did many people. Agreed with CKDs tictac case despite being on Ika for the same reasons I did. No scumhunting and an early hammer while shifting responsibility.


On CKD:
Cheked some of his earlier tracker games(President maker & Mini 589). It's really old meta, but he does in fact use tracking on his scumreads.(@CKD you should re-consider that. Makes no sense. Specially when you are out as a tracker.)

His 'tictac blocked me cause I pushed him' thing makes no sense, but people are agreeing with it. I think it's a brain-fart from town that is supported by scum. I buy Loki buying in cause he's new. Kinda buy it from Zulf cause he doesn't seem to be thinking much, just pattern-matching standard scum.tells. I don't buy it from UTL.

Reason I thought CKDs outburst was towny: He threw a hissy-fit cause he was getting resistance to getting to lynch the person he wanted to lynch. Scum!CKD would have been more likely to be happy to fail to lynch me, cause he could just NK me instead and not get heat from pushing a town-lynch tomorrow.