Open 627: Mexican Standoff [endgame]

[Almost50]

Just beating PK for the top of the page.

Also, going to bed now. See you in a few hours.

[Burning Crystal]

VOTE: Texcat

Now

That's what I wanted

.

I will ride this out and see where it goes for awhile if you're willing.

*peace offering*

~Titus

[Mad King Ashnard]

Kuroi could be scum I guess.
The drunk post felt terrible and the way he reacted in 51 felt like he actually was lying about the drunk thing.
Which gives me odd feelings.
But I wouldn't scumread him remotely for 'buddying us' when I don't think that he's been buddying us much at all. Raskol and I have both been in games with him (I called the whole scumteam within 20 minutes of replacing in ) and we both got along fairly well with him so I'm not surprised that he's being friendly with us.
There's been other scummy shit that he's done though. There were posts in my last game with him where it was super clear that he was town and trying to scumhunt, and there's not anything quite so clear in this game. Would rather he be given more time but if I had to wagon it I wouldn't mind.

VOTE: Texcat

Now That's what I wanted.

I will ride this out and see where it goes for awhile if you're willing.

*peace offering*

~Titus

If you ask someone else to give you an out like you did with Klingy in 1750 I'm going to be very suspicious of you.
Preemptive warning.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I'm pushing on Texcat because neither she nor any of her predecessors have done anything that can be construed as scumhunting.
Raskol's pushing on Tex because that plus he thinks there's other stuff that's scummy, but I've seen nothing worth townreading and Raskol's big on it.
It's also flat out a better wagon than any of the other major ones.

Ok. I know I may sound hostile here but I am going to explain to you a little further what I am looking for.
...
I could do K who isn't Kuribo. I get a gut feeling you two like each other too much. He seems to be too peacemakery...
~Titus

Not town Titus.

Also bad reason.

VOTE: Texcat

Now

That's what I wanted

.

I will ride this out and see where it goes for awhile if you're willing.

*peace offering*

~Titus

Two bad posts from a lurker who's play has been suboptimal this game in my opinion.

Finally a good strong lead.

VOTE: Burning Crystal

[Burning Crystal]

Kuroi could be scum I guess.
The drunk post felt terrible and the way he reacted in 51 felt like he actually was lying about the drunk thing.
Which gives me odd feelings.
But I wouldn't scumread him remotely for 'buddying us' when I don't think that he's been buddying us much at all. Raskol and I have both been in games with him (I called the whole scumteam within 20 minutes of replacing in ) and we both got along fairly well with him so I'm not surprised that he's being friendly with us.
There's been other scummy shit that he's done though. There were posts in my last game with him where it was super clear that he was town and trying to scumhunt, and there's not anything quite so clear in this game. Would rather he be given more time but if I had to wagon it I wouldn't mind.

VOTE: Texcat

Now That's what I wanted.

I will ride this out and see where it goes for awhile if you're willing.

*peace offering*

~Titus

If you ask someone else to give you an out like you did with Klingy in 1750 I'm going to be very suspicious of you.
Preemptive warning.

Fair enough.

~Titus

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Bc I feel like you've been going the easy route all game? What's up with that?

[Burning Crystal]

@EE, You can die now.

I don't care. I am legit not a lurker. I have like the fourth most posts in the game, and you call me a lurker. It looks like you're just pissed I am trying to bury the hatchet with someone I am scumreading.

Why would you lie?

~Titus

[Burning Crystal]

Bc I feel like you've been going the easy route all game? What's up with that?

You saw YCBA. You can see Saga. I am not fighting my townreads anymore unless my townreads are getting lynched. Deal with it.

~Titus

[Mad King Ashnard]

You are scumreading us?

Can you walk me thought that?

[Burning Crystal]

You are scumreading us?

Can you walk me thought that?

Who is that to?

[Mad King Ashnard]

It looks like you're just pissed I am trying to bury the hatchet with someone I am scumreading.

It is to you.

Can you walk me through why are you are scumreading us?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

@EE, You can die now.

I don't care. I am legit not a lurker. I have like the fourth most posts in the game, and you call me a lurker. It looks like you're just pissed I am trying to bury the hatchet with someone I am scumreading.

Why would you lie?

~Titus

Why would I be angry?
What are you accusing me of lying about?
O.o

Bc I feel like you've been going the easy route all game? What's up with that?

You saw YCBA. You can see Saga. I am not fighting my townreads anymore unless my townreads are getting lynched. Deal with it.

~Titus

You speak as if this would frustrate me.

[Burning Crystal]

It looks like you're just pissed I am trying to bury the hatchet with someone I am scumreading.

It is to you.

Can you walk me through why are you are scumreading us?

Bad phrasing. I meant to say I am used to scumreading.

I had solid town reads on your wagon. If I was scumreading you, I wouldn't be trying so hard to bury the hatchet. I would just vote you.

~Titus

[Mad King Ashnard]

I mean my first reflex was to think that it was a typo.

I am genuinely surprised to hear that you are scumreading us.

pedit: lol that works.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I don't care that you're not fighting your town reads anymore. I actually think that's cool. I just thought it was a bit out of character. *shrugs*

But your anger/bewilderment looks like my frustration when I try to improve my play and someone jumps on me for it so I trust you. Sorry.

UNVOTE:

[Burning Crystal]

I mean my first reflex was to think that it was a typo.

I am genuinely surprised to hear that you are scumreading us.

pedit: lol that works.

I am not scumread you.

~Titus

[Extrapolated Eagle]

@Titus to clarify: I'm sorry I jumped on you for that. I guess if I'd paid more attention to recent games I would have noticed that you're trying to make an effort to be nice. Those parts of those posts seemed forced to me and out of place. I am not apologizing for suspecting you, that's natural and not unreasonable. But I am apologizing for jumping on you for attempting to change your playstyle. I can relate to the frustration and anger there when you get called out by the very people who jumped on you for doing otherwise earlier.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Eh. I'm not good with words. Sorry, Titus. Friends?

[Burning Crystal]

Friends EE. I will never think that suspecting me makes us not friends. That lurker comment you made in 628 though was crap though. Why did you call me a lurker?

Let's test Texcat v Anen v MKA and see who jumps where. Pick one?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Cool. I didn't think so. But you know. :p

Called you lurker cuz you've been under my radar, but I guess you weren't really looking back at posts.

I'm ok with this one
VOTE: texcat

[Aneninen]

It's not alignment indicative. It's a personal preference. I don't think flavor should be game related.

You seem to have picked something irrelevant for working with.

VOTE: Aneninen
I have a reason for wanting the bodyguard to be preserved. You really need to pick another target. Immediately.

Okay for Today.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Anenien

Where did this come from?

I could but my obvtown reads are pushing Anenenien. Tex is not likely to give us reaction, so he's more of a lynch if there's nothing better to do.
~Titus

Davesaz as obvtown?
You actually voted for him in 442. Dafuq.

Seriously, my scumreads aren't getting traction. I'm not explicitly townreading Anenien. We need wagons. Too many chefs spoils the broth.

Spoiler:

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!!!!

Dave and acryon have been pretty townie lately and I see where a strong case can be made on Almost. I'm getting quite a few townreads. IF you want me to follow you, you'll need to convince me that either a) texcat is scum or b) you're townier.

Townies misreading players. Have you ever heard of this?

First, the hasty reaction with unplanned reaction fish plus Almost reaching out to immediately try to fix his blunders. Dave seems to be on the same page and trying to create wifom around who Almost should protect tonight. While they lack subtlety, the motivation is clearly townie.

Where did Davesaz post that?

7 posts apart, both signed as ~Titus, and I haven't posted in between. What's the deal here??

Good one, Almost!

Context Almost.
I was meaning a strong TOWN case can be made on you. The second paragraph in the second post is talking about how townie you are.
I don't care what you accept as a slot RC. I am nullreading Texcat. No amount of whining and bitching will change that. You aren't having a valid push on Texcat. You are refusing to provide a reason for your push at all.
~Titus

Okay.
But.
Townreading Almost doesn't make you town.
As for TexCat.
I've seen her mislynched on Day1. She has a gamestyle which, somehow, acts as a mislynch magnet. Therefore, I'm not sold on the case against her. However, it's possible that Burning Crystal's either protecting or Whiteknighting her.

VOTE: Texcat
Now

That's what I wanted

.
I will ride this out and see where it goes for awhile if you're willing.
*peace offering*
~Titus

What did you want?
What's that *peace offering* pigeon poop?

It looks like you're just pissed I am trying to bury the hatchet with someone I am scumreading.

It is to you.
Can you walk me through why are you are scumreading us?

Bad phrasing. I meant to say I am used to scumreading.
I had solid town reads on your wagon. If I was scumreading you, I wouldn't be trying so hard to bury the hatchet. I would just vote you.
~Titus

Even if I'm an ESL player, mixing up "I am scumreading" and "I am used to scumreading" is not a thing I can buy. Using that expression for a ...hydra slot?

Eh. I'm not good with words. Sorry, Titus. Friends?

What sort of puppet show is going on?!
I thought this game is about scumhunting, not friendmaking.

Let's test Texcat v Anen v MKA and see who jumps where. Pick one?

How to Manipulate Players, Chapter 4.

I'm ok with this one
VOTE: texcat

Dafuq.
Now I'm almost sure TexCat is a planned mislynch. I know if her wagon reaches lynch, I'll look terrible, but f-cking don't care. Gain is bigger than loss in that case.

VOTE: Burning Crystal
Because slowly but firmly, they are getting in control to manipulate the whole town.
Maybe one of the earlier major wagons were on their partner, but we can check that later if I'm right. Some other "reads" of them are Whiteknighting, I guess.

And before trying, I'm telling: I f-cking don't need "friends".

[Xtoxm]

Don't really care for Dave's heavy softing, a hardclaim would be more convincing. He's basically softed power in response to becoming the primary wagon whilst keeping things vague, which only really favours scum given how obvious he's made it. Forcing him into a hardclaim means if he's scum he may get countered at some point or claim something unsustainable, which is basically our goal for today, we're probably only going to lynch scum today if it's without a claim. He may be town but the way he's gone about it doesn't really look town (what 50 did is the town way), so i'd like to stay on to get a hardclaim out of him before moving back to Anen. If he's town I don't think there's any detriment to having him expand. I could also go Mad King, don't trust him and 540 reads too informed for my liking. Texcat is a low priority compromise of those 3 that i'd do if I have to.

[Aneninen]

^^
Townpost.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I'm always informed.

Anyone wanna take bets that this setup is multiball?

Day 1, no flips, figured it had to be multiball based on interactions around my two primary scumreads.
If you're saying you're going to vote me because I was right about something that was, at least to me, pretty effing obvious, then at least be open about saying that what you're actually saying is that I'm not good enough. Which is demonstrably wrong and consistently provable as wrong throughout my play, but hey.
Lynch me for being too good. But if you're lynching me for being too good you're agreeing to follow my reads when I flip town because clearly if I'm that good my reads are that good!

[Mad King Ashnard]

Like, does that sound conceited as fuck?
maybe.
But when your argument is essentially that I sound informed because there's

no way I figured stuff out on my own

, there's no other counterargument I can make.