Mini 1769: Ice Cream Mafia - Game over!

[Keyser Söze]

Anyone around for a chat?

Lieutenant Aquanim! Let's chat.

[Aquanim]

Let's talk about Golden Robster. On the one hand, I don't really understand the basis for Golden's reads. I don't see you prodding mn over his playstyle as scummy - it seemed like it had the same idea behind it (to get the game rolling and to get the measure of mn) as when I did it. While I wouldn't say I get any strong townread out of it I certainly wouldn't push back against somebody townreading you in the way that Golden has. I'm not sure where the Masquerade townread is coming from, either, and despite some fairly obvious opportunities to do so before I asked Golden hasn't explained it.

The scumread on Ocean is partially based on disagreement over those reads and I think partially based on Ocean not answering Golden's questions immediately - considering Ocean wasn't really dodging but instead pushing on an apparent inconsistency in Golden's reads (and chasing that would be more useful for Ocean before giving his own reads, rather than after) I don't think that that was scummy myself.

On the other hand, Golden's pushing is putting alignment-relevant stuff in the thread, which is good at this stage. I like #78 as a means of "pushing" the OceanWind discussion.

tl;dr: I don't like the reads that are being pushed but I do kinda like how it's being pushed. Your thoughts?

[Keyser Söze]

tl;dr: I don't like the reads that are being pushed but I do kinda like how it's being pushed. Your thoughts?

I think this self-analysis remark by Golden Robster made me take a step back from the tone of his posts:

Accusatory tone is my playstyle.

Thus, Golden Robster will be on the offensive -

he could be wrong with his points, but he will be on the offence.

Now, with this in mind let's look at "accusatory" attacks/pokes:

Golden Robster's reaction regarding Masquerade's 'let's force replace mn' post:

That's quite a drastic comment to make during RVS.

This is Golden Robster telling Masquerade off. Ok, so where is Golden Robster going with this? Does this make Masquerade bad-town or scum? There is no vote here, so I viewed this as Golden Robster questioning Masquerade's motive (I am unsure if his alignment came into the equation).

Golden Robster's reaction regarding my non-alignment 1-v-1 with mn:

the length to which you went to discredit him seems forced.

In my head I was shouting:

"this is a f*****g miss-rep!"

. "seems forced" is scum-indicative, so why no vote on me? Again, is Golden Robster attacking my playstyle or my alignment?

I disagree with both of those reads but go ahead.

I disagree with Keysor and Masquerade.

Keysor doesn't look town to me.

Ok, he strongly disagrees with OceanWind's reads >>> but why vote OceanWind?
Why doesn't Golden Robster vote me who he scum-reads?

I.e if OceanWind said he was town-reading Masquerade and scum-reading me - would Golden Robster be voting OceanWind? I doubt it. Thus, it smells a bit like confirmation-bias.


TL;DR Golden Robster has been happy to create friction with his "accusatory tone" (add some confirmation bias in there) - I null-town lean read this play.

[Keyser Söze]

Mn has been posting reads and scumhunting even if he's not explaining his actions. He is taking in new information and adapting his reads as the game progresses. Early reads are often gut-based and intuitive. There's often not a well-developed logical explanation for them. So, I don't care if he's can't explain a page one read. He may not be scumhunting in the way that most people like and has an unconventional approach. This makes him an easy target.

^
There are some reads that make another player's alignment as clear as an azure sky of deepest summer. This feels like one, regarding mn's play so far. The paranoid me originally thought:

is this scum-OceanWind who has come into the game late, and defended the underfire mn/Keyser Soze because he knows they're both town?

But then I concluded I was overthinking things. I like OceanWind's town-read and reasons on mn and myself. However, at this time I do not see his scum-read of Masquerade with the same clarity.

I think a few prods are due.

[mn]

This game Is stagnant. We Must move It forward.

VOTE: Keyser Söze Let us remove the Annoying player.

[Aquanim]

@Keyser

: It sounds like we're on similar pages with respect to Golden. I'd describe my conclusions less as "null-town lean" and more as "null, but this perspective on Golden will help me read them once there's more data".

I like those Ocean reads as well, though I don't think they're unfakeable. The way in which Ocean pushed back to get information out of Golden gives me more of a townread.

Anything else you want to talk about before I go sleep?

This game Is stagnant. We Must move It forward.

VOTE: Keyser Söze Let us remove the Annoying player.

but I like keyser

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Keyser Söze Let us remove the Annoying player.

Why would I?

I know you guys have low Intelligence, but please.

Are you unable to read?

If you are Not Impressed yet then That is your problem.

mind games

It is fine, i can understand frustration when playing against me. To be honest I do not like how I play, but It Is the Only way I know how.

mn, I don't know what issues you have at home, but this is

Ice Cream Mafia

- a forum game. No personal attacks.

If you scum-read me, keep your vote on me

. Or are you advocating a Day One policy lynch?

[Phoenix Wright]

@keysor Mn's shtick appears to be trying to get reactions out of people to see if they slip up while they're annoyed and accidentally make a scummy post

[Keyser Söze]

Anything else you want to talk about before I go sleep?

There's not much to chew on so far, more than half of the players are comatose.


My vote is still on BlueBloodedToffee - it has evolved into a serious vote as his contributions so far are 'unsatisfying' - he's usually a player who makes things happen - not sit back.

Have a good night's sleep.

[Keyser Söze]

Mn's shtick appears to be trying to get reactions out of people

If you have time, run me through a summary of the different reactions that have resulted through mn's posts

[Phoenix Wright]

Mn's shtick appears to be trying to get reactions out of people

If you have time, run me through a summary of the different reactions that have resulted through mn's posts

Here's the summary: annoyance.

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.2

mn (3) - massive, Phoenix Wright, popsofctown
Golden Robster (2) - BlueBloodedToffee, KainTepes
BlueBloodedToffee (2) - Keyser Soze, TellTaleHeart
OceanWind (1) - Golden Robster
Popsofctown (1) - Masquerade
Phoenix Wright (1) - Slandaar
Masquerade (1) - OceanWind
Keyser Soze (1) - mn

Not voting (1) - Aquanim

(expired on 2016-03-13 08:31:00) remain until day end

No one is currently due for a prod.

[Keyser Söze]

Mn's shtick appears to be trying to get reactions out of people

If you have time, run me through a summary of the different reactions that have resulted through mn's posts

Here's the summary:

annoyance

.

...which is

null-indicative

.
That is my problem in reading into the reactions: I can see

both

town and scum overreacting.

Your vote is currently on mn - thoughts?

[Phoenix Wright]

Actually, I think he might be town now. Like I said before he wants to get reactions out of people, and scum have no reason to figure out people's alignment. And also scum wouldn't play the way he does because it would get them lynched on day 1.

UNVOTE:

[mn]

If It means You will get Lynched Day One. Then yes, I am suggesting a policy Lynch.

[Keyser Söze]

If It means You will get Lynched Day One. Then yes, I am suggesting a policy Lynch.

Do you have any scum-reads you want to share... or is a policy lynch on town the best you have so far?

[KainTepes]

WHY DID THIS THREAD PROGRESS SO FAST??? I JUST WENT TO SLEEP AND CAME BACK AND EVERYONE TALKING, BUT THIS IS GOOD!!!!!

[KainTepes]

SO IS GOLDEN ROBOSTER LYNCHED YET??

[Keyser Söze]

SO IS GOLDEN ROBOSTER LYNCHED YET??

LOUD NOISES He's alive and well. Why do you want him dead? Catch up with the thread. 5 pages. Go.

[Phoenix Wright]

SO IS GOLDEN ROBOSTER LYNCHED YET??

Seeing as how we're still in the day phase, no. And why are you still yelling in every post if you don't have the Laharl avatar anymore?

[KainTepes]

OK A QUICK LOOK AT ROBOSTER SHOWS ME HE IS PROBABLY TOWN... UNVOTE:

OCEANWIND IS SUSPICIOUS VOTE: OCEANWIND

MN IS NULL

[Slandaar]

He will understand. I Know you will not, but Slandaar will.

Of course I understand. I'm intelligent.

VOTE: Phoenix Wright

Okay, I'll bite. Why'd you vote me?

I assume you know why I voted you though, eh?

[Masquerade]

OK A QUICK LOOK AT ROBOSTER SHOWS ME HE IS PROBABLY TOWN... UNVOTE:

OCEANWIND IS SUSPICIOUS VOTE: OCEANWIND

MN IS NULL

Do you plan to sue capitals all game? I'm shouting your posts in my head while I'm reading them and it's annoying (the shouting in my head I mean)

Also, that's all you have to add?

[Masquerade]

use*

[mn]

Let us policy lynch and move on.