Mini 1763 - Game OV

[Ircher]

What the heck. I asked for an extension cuz I'm busy half the day.

Spoiler: Notes

1. KainTepes is the first to start the RVS wagons of D1.

2. In 5, RC votes Boon. --

I know I replaced RC, but I'm commenting on everything I see. Now, I have a pretty good idea of why RC voted Boon then: "supposedly", Boon completely messed RC up in Mini 1755, and RC has been angry ever since.

3. Kein uses all caps in 3 and 16. -

Apparently, he doesn't understand that yelling should be reserved for extreme cases. So far, not liking this slot.

4. Kein claims to "played 1000 games on TOS" in 19. -

Keep this in mind for later. Also, what in the world does TOS stand for, last time I checked, it stood for Terms of Service.

5. 39 just kills me. Kein thinks everyone is trying to lynch him. -

For one who claims to have played a 1000 games of FM, he seems rather noobish. I mean, even if mechanics were different elsewhere, why in the world do you think everyone is trying to lynch you barely 24 hrs(?) into the day? At the least, I can make this assumption: Kein is not reading: if he read how long we have til deadline and the fact that no one has even provided any real evidence for their votes yet, he would realize that no one is trying to lynch him, yet. Also, lynching a person then giving defense, then choosing inno/guilty seems rather inefficient. Wouldn't you at least wait a bit before ending the day (presuming the day ends after that).

6. In 125, Iran thinks MM's case was too forceful. -

Don't like the vibe of this post. Seems like scum trying to get towncred off Kein. -

Null-Scum-Indicative

7. FA calls Lapsa out in 147 -

Kinda want to agree with him here. I haven't really seen much from Lapsa to this point, and posting VC, while a useful service, is not going to get you townread. -

Scum-Indicative for Lapsa

8. In 151 by Lapsa, he claims Perf is trying to buddy Soap. -

I don't see it that way. Looks more like scum keen on trying to get a Perf mislynch in. -

Scum-Indicative

9. I agree with 175 by FA -- Lapsa hasn't been aggressive at all. -

For a guy who literally scumread me the entire game until D4 in Mini 1755, I'm gonna err on the side of caution and say this is -

Null-Scum Indicative for Boon

10. Katsuki and his all caps + "THIS BOONSKIIES" crap is annoying the heck out of me. He gives a practically naked vote on Performer in 180 -

Explain to me why you suddenly vote Perf. here. -

Null-Scun-Indicative

11. Katsuki claims 144 and 146 are scum posts in 193 -

I can see 146 to some extent, but 144 looks perfectly natural to me; def. nothing scummy looking about it. I think you're part of the scumteam. -

Null-Scum Indicative

12. Soap states "their all cult" in 196 -

First of all, where did the idea of cult come from? Secondly, this game is a normal game. Cult is specifically blacklisted. As far as motive goes though, I think this was a joke type post, so

Null-Indicative

13. 226 by Garm seems well thought out. -

I disagree with the Perf. point, but you actually seem to have come up with reasonable evidence to back your vote --

Town-Indicative

14. Lapsa decides to fencesit Perf. on 227 -

Normally, wouldn't strike me as scummy. But, combined with Lapsa's behavior so far, I kinda do. Seems the motive is not confusion/weak reads, but rather, scum trying to conform and who knows Perf. is town, so is trying to distance himself from the wagon. -

Very Scum-Indicative

15. In 240 by RC, RC claims he'll keep his vote parked until one of 'em dies. -

This is normal RC behavior.

16.

It's official, Kein is an obvious Village Idiot. I am quite serious -- while not urgent right now -- he better be lynched before LyLo or we might as well say town has lost if he's town. @Kein --> Srry, but 251 just strikes me as beyond the noob level ---> It strikes me as the VI level. I think you need to read the wiki a lot more and def. play a newbie game. We all make mistakes and do stupid stuff, but this... this is just unnerving...... Don't take it personally.....

17. In 260 by Iran, Iran finds Garn scummy for making posts that feel "forced and scummy". He goes on to question Gamr's strong townread of Kein, saying it is poorly backed up & overall, attempt to get towncred by buddying. -

I completely disagree. Quite the opposite of forced, Garn's posts have seen thought out and logical this game, even if I don't always concur with them. Furthermore, your argument about Kein and buddying is rather invalid. While Kein could be very clever scum, it's way more likely he's noobtown or even VI town. He is engaged and trying to solve the game; while he can be obnoxious with his caps at times, I no longer get scum vibes from his posts. Kein is the kind of person who'll prob. last to LyLo cuz of his inexperience at mafiascum. While he seems a bit of a VI as I stated earlier, we are in no rush to "policy" lynch him yet (so we have better shots at LyLo); I could be wrong --> We may see his potential later. Anyway, back on topic, there are quite a few good reasons to think Kein istown by this point, so it seems it's you who is trying to mislead players. -

Very Scum Indicative

18. In response to 261 -

It's RC

19. Lapsa had a problem with RC's dayvigging. -

Don't you know anything about RC? This is standard RC fakeclaiming, but in an RVS form which is why it's a dayvig. See no problems here; maybe opportunistic? -

Null-Indicative

20. Mario is doing a lot of lurking, is that prt of his meta? I have a feeling it is. Anyway, in 275, Mario says he's against the Perf wagon and against all the wagons in general. He also says he'll just crit. wagons til he or someone else finds something scummy. -

This post strikes me in a way, but I'm not sure if I think town or I think scum with this post. I think I'll go with town -- he's right, most of the wagons, esp. the Perf wagon have been pretty poorly supported. -

Null-Town-Indicative

21. Not Mafia does a quote wall vote of Lemon in 277 -

Not quite sure what the issue. I can see it has to do with the Kein scumread, but could you elaborate?

;

Addendum --> You subsequently voted Lemon a total of 3 times without a vote in between --> why?

22. Lapsa naked votes Not Mafia in 292 -

Does it have to do with the Lemon voting? I really hate naked votes, though I use them occasionally.

23. Lemon presents a case against Lapsa in 295 -

I much concur with this case -- Bonus points for Lemon! -- seriously though, makes me scumread Lapsa even more.

24. Iran in 333 states that non-voting is antitown. -

Explain the logic behind this, seems more opportunistic to me -

Scum-Indicative

25. Perf calls out Kat in 340 for his inactivity. -

I agree with Perf - Kat's trying to slide by..... -

Scum-Indicative for Katsu

26. Katsuki is just prod dodging -- just look at 362

Finished (EBWOP)
UNVOTE: Iran

Let me get a readlists out first before we start lynching

[Ircher]

Also, don't need a full day, just like

6 or so extra hrs

[Ircher]

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
Ircher  (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)
Kein (93%) - He's an idiot. No, let me correct myself, his play is idiotic. ToS, whatever that is, has apparently taught him some wrong things about finding scum. Maybe he'll show potential later, but it would be quite something to think he's scum (would actually expect a bus if he's scum).
Perf (88%) - #1 - The wagon sucks. #2 - Seems like a decent mislynch target, I haven't see anything bad from this slot.
Garn (91%) - Seems to always put some thought in his posts. Unlike others, his (imo wrong) opinion is well defended and not just opportunistic.

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
Lemon (75%) - He seems decent. Really cannot describe my read of the slot, but some of it should be hinted at in the notes list.
Boon (65%) - I think Boon is being Boon. I just played a game with him, and he doesn't seem to be an elite at this game. I seriously think this slot is town, but I think that's a gut read.

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Soap (0%) - Would like more from this slot. I seriously have like a zero read here, but I don't think the lack of activity here is alignment indicative.
FA (-20%) - Would like a lot more here; leaning toward scum cuz I don't generally agree what this slot says and opinions are not supported well.

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
Mario (+31%) - Hasn't contributed much but the few posts he have made seem somewhat reasonable.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)
NotMafia (-65%) - Don't like his interactions ever since he replaced in. Plus, his predecessor hasn't posted in the game (I don't believe).

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)
Iran (-80%) - All through my game notes. Seems opportunistic and has scum motivated actions.
Lapsa (-90%) - I'm not reiterating, its just piled in my notes. Unfortunately, I'll prob. settle for an Iran lynch.
Katsuki (-95%) - Starts out with a very annoying post referring to himself as Boon then tells Boon to sheep him in the still horrible Perf wagon. Ever since,he has been { nonexistent | prod dodging } and has contributed zero content. I don't think this lynch will happen today though.

With that said,
VOTE: Katsuki

[Ircher]

I FIND LAPSA more scummy, but i have not been observing IRON because he has been blending into the background??I FEEL like he is town though but will READ his posts......

I suspect MARIO a bit but IM NOT SURE anymore....!!!

KT you have got to start providing more elaboration on why you townread and scumread people. I'm not certain why you capitalized FEEL and READ in your second sentence in this post.

And when you post about things you plan to act on, it would be very helpful if you follow-up on it - by providing what you think you found or if you didn't find anything worthwhile, then let us know anyway. Because maybe you noticed something I or someone else hasn't.

I have a suspicion why you're voting Mario and I don't think it's a good enough reason to think he's scum, which I don't think he is. But I want to clarify from you - why exactly are you voting Mario anyway?

He's like RC but worse, imho.

I'm fine with {Iran, Lapsa, Katsu} lynch today.

[iraonavp]

I was

51.531637281%

sure FA_Q2 is scum-aligned from how he was awkwardly whiteknighting me, and then look at how quickly he decides to vote me. Now that's changed to a

79.412597513%

read.

I was even voting him before at some point so this is hardly a new thing.

[Garmr]

I FIND LAPSA more scummy, but i have not been observing IRON because he has been blending into the background??I FEEL like he is town though but will READ his posts......

I suspect MARIO a bit but IM NOT SURE anymore....!!!

KT you have got to start providing more elaboration on why you townread and scumread people. I'm not certain why you capitalized FEEL and READ in your second sentence in this post.

And when you post about things you plan to act on, it would be very helpful if you follow-up on it - by providing what you think you found or if you didn't find anything worthwhile, then let us know anyway. Because maybe you noticed something I or someone else hasn't.

I have a suspicion why you're voting Mario and I don't think it's a good enough reason to think he's scum, which I don't think he is. But I want to clarify from you - why exactly are you voting Mario anyway?

He's like RC but worse, imho.

I'm fine with {Iran, Lapsa, Katsu} lynch today.

I'd much prefer Iran he gives more info

[KainTepes]

CAN WE VOTE LAPSAXNVAGRCRFVFNGBJAGJBFUBGEBYRPBC!!!!!

[KainTepes]

I was

51.531637281%

sure FA_Q2 is scum-aligned from how he was awkwardly whiteknighting me, and then look at how quickly he decides to vote me. Now that's changed to a

79.412597513%

read.

I was even voting him before at some point so this is hardly a new thing.

where do you get these NUMBERS,,

[Lapsa]

51.531637281%

one such post was more than enough

as it seems to me - you are accusing irch for overcomplicating his language and figures to deliberately fake credibility
^ i find that to be a valid point

problem is that irch has been consistent with his rigidness and that can be more of a personal trait than actual game manipulation

combined with fact that you have jumpvoted around twice in such a quick succession makes your defense to look appalling

@iron do you scumread irch and what are your other reads?

[KainTepes]

Does IRON normally post weird numbers often???

[MarioManiac4]

Please

say we got that extension.

[Performer]

Please

say we got that extension.

I don't think the extension will help and I don't think the mod believe we're justified a deadline extension. I pmed him yesterday about prodding but he never read my message, which tells me he's been busy (?)

[Performer]

Also @mod: please prod Soapbar too

[MarioManiac4]

Please

say we got that extension.

I don't think the extension will help and I don't think the mod believe we're justified a deadline extension. I pmed him yesterday about prodding but he never read my message, which tells me he's been busy (?)

It will help us... the deadline has gone past.
ARE YOU VOTING IRAON
I WILL TAKE ANYONE ONLINE NOT VOTING IRAON AS BLATANTLY SCUMCLAIMING

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: iron

[Performer]

@Mario according to the mod's previous post, deadline is at about 4pm PST today, so it hasn't expired. Not sure where you getting that d1 expired.
@iraon claim please

[MarioManiac4]

Votecount 1.01

KainTepes (4) - InsidiousLemons, FA_Q2, MarioManiac4, Lapsa
Lapsa (4) - Garmr, Perfomer, RadiantCowbells, Katsuki
MarioManiac4 (1) - iraonavp
Soapbar (1) - KainTepes

Not Voting (3) - Soapbar, Boonskiies, TOWNIE247

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-03-03 17:09:09)

Yay for reading

[Performer]

That conflicts with his updated 1.06...I don't know what the mod is doing haha

[MarioManiac4]

Oh the mod gave us the extension.
So

claim iraon

I'm got gonna sit here and say I'll be around for midnight/deadline for all of those who drive on the wrong side of the road, I won't be.

[MarioManiac4]

Because Ircher unvoted that's L1.
Despite the deadline I don't think we should quickhammer yet.

[Not_Mafia]

We still have time to lynch FA_Q2

[KainTepes]

HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE LEFT,,, NO LYNCH IS BAD,,, I WILL VOTE IRON IF I HAVE TO BUT IRON MUST CLAIM FIRST

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: iron

HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE LEFT,,, NO LYNCH IS BAD,,, I WILL VOTE IRON IF I HAVE TO BUT IRON MUST CLAIM FIRST

[KainTepes]

MARIO, that was NOT MAFIA not me,, who voted for IRON....

[Not_Mafia]

Yay for reading