Open 627: Mexican Standoff [endgame]

[KainTepes]

VOTE: Townie247

VOTE: smugder

VOTE: Kuroi

VOTE: MKA

Considering the VC situation.

Eh.

VOTE: Kuroi

5 times already he VOTED WITHOUT REASON... its weird, usually in TOWN OF SALEM the mafia will vote without saying anything because they want to be UNDETECTED...

XTOXM YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY THIS QUESTION.....

[Xtoxm]

There is no question there.

[KainTepes]

the question is WHY you have voted without reason??

[KuroiXHF]

Does anyone have a vote count?

[KainTepes]

Votecount 1.25

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Burnign Crystal

- (3) KuroiXHF, kop, Mad King Ashnard

Kuroixhf

- (3) Ranger, Burning Crystal, davesaz

Texcat

- (2) Chilledtea, Almost50

Mad King Ashnard

- (1) Texcat

acryon

- (1) Aneninen

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Not Voting

- Kain Tepes, xtoxm, Acryon

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With 13 Alive it takes 7 to Lynch!
Day 01 Deadlne is (expired on 2016-03-05 09:00:00).

Since then KOP, TEXCAT and I have voted TEXCAT

[KainTepes]

I MEAN XTOXM, not TEXCAT

[KuroiXHF]

Hmmm... I don't suppose jail keeping the killing mafia member would save my life, would it?

[KainTepes]

BUT THERE MAY BE MORE THAN ONE MAFIA MEMBER,, then wont the other mafiosos attack?? thats how it works in TOWN OF SALEM but not sure about here......

[Kop]

There will be more than one mafia most likely, but only one of them will do the kill. If jailkeeper gets lucky and jails the one doing the kill, then that will stop the kill.

[KainTepes]

KUROI asking that question makes me more CONVINCED that he is telling the truth,,

[davesaz]

Block type actions (like JK) happen before kills, in Natural_Action_Resolution. This is a general statement and may or may not be reflected in a given night, depending on whatever other actions may happen.

VOTE: texcat
This may be

L-1

but that's based only on someone else previously reporting a L-2, and may not be correct.

[Aneninen]

Firstly, Ranger in her 881 is trying to convince us how obv-town she is, which I definitely don't like.

What.
I mean, doesn't change that I

am

obviously town, but I've made absolutely no effort until this post to vocalize that sentiment.

KainThraddash (and maybe Almost?) liked it, Ranger did not.

Wrong. I didn't like the conclusions. That does not mean I did not like the wall. To the contrary, it only reinforced my townread. But what I want is content from RC, rather than Raskolnikov.

(1) It can be sorted out later, I guess. (We've never met in any games before so I don't know whether it's typical of you.)
(2) I see.

I don't understand why everyone is working so hard to NOT vote BC. Everyone is saying he's scummy but won't vote him. I actually feel this more or less confirms him actually being scum.

I expressed my doubts before. As for the others, you may have a point. If they're scum, your wagon must clearly have been a counter.

Everyone is saying he's scummy but won't vote him.

To the contrary, I see a lot of people saying, "meh" on them and not taking a hard stance: even those who join the wagon. The people voting them don't care if they're actually lynched.
This is almost a surefire sign they are town. Which fits with my read there anyway.

Yeah, this.
Noone seem to care a lot and I can feel they're a compromise-wagon now. I may return there later but only to avoid a NoLynch.

My strongest scum read is still Almost50, and Acryon is the one who started the wagon on him. I'm not really feeling the Acryon lynch.

But why?

ayy let's lynch little miss have-my-partner-vote-me-right-after-I-declared-a-townread-on-you.

Namely?

962–964 – Yet another quick-wagon. Xtoxm, Kop, KainThraddash. We should remember those names, just as well the Kuroi-section.

As for TexCat

, I meant this game: Zar Show (C9++)

It's strange that neither Kop, nor Acryon has mentioned it. Both of them were there.

Going on soon.

[Aneninen]

A no lynch doesn't give us any better information, but if it's a fail safe idea then it could be useful. We will have power roles that can gain us information without a lynch. We've already pressed a wagon on Burning Crystal, then moved to Kuroi, who then hinted at something, we tried to go to Aycron, and now we're onto Texcat. I've been in a few games where we no lynched day one, but still went onto win end game.

I don't like this reasoning at all.
Also, Acryon has never been a wagon. Even I, who voted for him first, said it wouldn't take off Today and i would join a stronger wagon in need later.

There's only so many wagons we can run before we hit a VT or a CC. I think we've forced at least 1 scum into a bad claim. Removing a suspected VT is better than NL.

^^
That.
Who do you think was faking?

Hmmm... I don't suppose jail keeping the killing mafia member would save my life, would it?

Jailkeeper trumps Nightkill actions.

VOTE: texcat
This may be

L-1

but that's based only on someone else previously reporting a L-2, and may not be correct.

It is.
I still don't like this wagon, reasons were posted. I'd only vote for her if we were just before Deadline. (As it was said, removing a suspect still helps later.)

[texcat]

I have to go to work this afternoon and don't have much time.

I am, indeed, vanilla townie.

I see a lot of votes on me that are not because I am scum, but just because there doesn't seem to be a better place to vote. That's unfortunate and does not bode well for town.

[Burning Crystal]

Who do you think is a better place to vote then? You haven't really pushed much at all. Kop's no lynch comment is pretty scummy, I agree with Aneninen there. You also haven't tried to vote us at all, and I am the one counter wagon that might exist to you. Do you have strong town feels on us?

why are you saying your lynch won't bode well for town, as if you're not town?

Who do you think is scum and why?

[Kop]

Who do you think is a better place to vote then? You haven't really pushed much at all. Kop's no lynch comment is pretty scummy, I agree with Aneninen there. You also haven't tried to vote us at all, and I am the one counter wagon that might exist to you. Do you have strong town feels on us?

why are you saying your lynch won't bode well for town, as if you're not town?

Who do you think is scum and why?

How is it entirely scummy? A no lynch is surely better than either lynching a PR, or than getting a lot of claims out. We've had 1 hint at a role, and a role claim albeit VT one.

A no lynch doesn't hinder us a great deal than it's being made out. I've been in numerous games where a no lynch still won us the game, and didn't detriment the game the way it's made out.

[texcat]

My vote remains on Mad King, but my strongest scum read is still Almost50. You are correct, I have not pushed very much. Other than Almost, I am not very confident in my reads.

[acryon]

As for TexCat

, I meant this game: Zar Show (C9++)

It's strange that neither Kop, nor Acryon has mentioned it. Both of them were there.

Going on soon.

I think meta generally does more harm than good, and I don't use it. I may use it as a tiebreaker in my own reads, but other than that I try to actively work against it.

I also hate Kop's no-lynch comment and would be game for a wagon on him if we could get it going. I like it better than a Tex one for sure.

[Kop]

As for TexCat

, I meant this game: Zar Show (C9++)

It's strange that neither Kop, nor Acryon has mentioned it. Both of them were there.

Going on soon.

I think meta generally does more harm than good, and I don't use it. I may use it as a tiebreaker in my own reads, but other than that I try to actively work against it.

I also hate Kop's no-lynch comment and would be game for a wagon on him if we could get it going. I like it better than a Tex one for sure.

Very well. I don't see the big problem with the whole point of not wanting scum to get more PR/VT role claims. Early day, yes, late day, no.

[Almost50]

My vote remains on Mad King, but my strongest scum read is still Almost50. You are correct, I have not pushed very much. Other than Almost, I am not very confident in my reads.

How is that even a town stance? "I'm willing to lynch someone I'm not confident is scum over the only one I'm confident is scum".

And, please tell me what your slot has added to the game? 3 players occupied this spot with less than 30 posts collectively and no confident reads, no propositions, no serious engagement with anyone. Please prove me wrong and point out something useful you did.

[acryon]

As for TexCat

, I meant this game: Zar Show (C9++)

It's strange that neither Kop, nor Acryon has mentioned it. Both of them were there.

Going on soon.

I think meta generally does more harm than good, and I don't use it. I may use it as a tiebreaker in my own reads, but other than that I try to actively work against it.

I also hate Kop's no-lynch comment and would be game for a wagon on him if we could get it going. I like it better than a Tex one for sure.

Very well. I don't see the big problem with the whole point of not wanting scum to get more PR/VT role claims. Early day, yes, late day, no.

Obviously we never want to out our PR's, but we have that same problem every day of the game. It doesn't go away if we no-lynch. All that does is give us less information as well as eliminates the potential use of a no-lynch later in the game strategically if town gets the option.

[Burning Crystal]

Intent to hammer.

Texcat explicitly dodged answering about his read on our slot, which I am not a fan of. His posts sound defeatist.

@Kop, you only suggested no lynch after Texcat wagon took off. If you were so concerned about information and stopping claims, I feel you'd have a different reaction to almost's claim than gee Dave looks bad if almost is scum. This stance of fewer claims is very new.

[KuroiXHF]

Y'know. I'm just looking for today to end.

VOTE: Texcat

[Burning Crystal]

Why did you hammer when people were still talking Kurio?

[KainTepes]

My vote remains on Mad King, but my strongest scum read is still Almost50. You are correct, I have not pushed very much. Other than Almost, I am not very confident in my reads.

i dont feel good about this lynch anymore...... this post looks town......