Open 627: Mexican Standoff [endgame]

[Mad King Ashnard]

I haven't spoken with RC about this game since Day 1 but I know we agree on BC scum. Anen he was townreading and I'm honestly not sure what to make of, I'll probably get around to isoing him at some point.

[davesaz]

I'm here, but it's a heavy workday and also my daughter's birthday.
Gonna need some old-fashioned scumhunting here. That will take time that I don't have right now, will have to be later in the evening.

Furthermore it's a heavy work week, I'm hosting some big meetings.

LA Wed-Fri

[Almost50]

and also my daughter's birthday.

Well, Happy Birthday to her.

Now back to scum hunting I guess this post means dave's got nothing to share in terms of investigation results, so I guess I'd be voting off the top of my head.

[Aneninen]

@Anen: She's not alone, tbh. Anyone who still thinks I'm anything less than conf!town by now is a bad player who should not be followed. Acron-Almost is ridiculous. Why am I confirming davesaz then? Why didn't we just kill him and claim I protected the claimed PR? I claimed Weak BG, and nobody countered. Not the role and not the scenario. Not a single detail/occurrence in the game suggests or even hints I'm lying. And you know why? Because I AM a Weak BodyGuard and I DID target davesaz last night. Now all we need to do is wait to see if he's got any results to share. This is why I'm not voting until dave shows up.

Yeah. Your uncountered claim is something we can't ignore. That'swhy you're not a priority right now.
But, you know, it's very possible that these post are my last chance to express my thoughts.

VOTE: Burning Crystal

What's up Mad King?

Also FWIW the back and forth between Anen and BC here looks like SvS. I'm still far more certain on Anen-scum and that needs to be pursued first 100%, but I think it's fairly likely both are.

Good.
Acryon is scum too.
Scum-vs-scum, eh? What a wild-card thing! If BurningCrystal gets lynched, that confirms you and gives you a mislynch on me. If I get lynched, you can drop your BurningCrystal read freely.
Actually, if Titus were town, she could examine your voting pattern. Parking on me for ages, then jumping to Kop, joining Kuroi, and ending up... not voting. Basically, you've just avoided all the major wagons.

And oh, that "what's up"... trying hard to out the Cop, aren't you?

[KainTepes]

sorry...... im a bit depressed, will catch up as soon as i can.....

[KainTepes]

VOTE: Acryon

My scumread on Kuroi was wrong, so I should probably reevaluate my reads. What I do know is that Anen was right on Texcat being town, so I will lend my support.

~Titus

This post feels wrong........ you have hardly shown any suspicion on acryon so far,, it feels like you are making an excuse to put your vote somewhere??

VOTE: Burning CRYSTAL

i am sorry if i cannot post very good today........ still depressed right now..... but i will try my best....!!

[Aneninen]

Good finding, KainThraddash!
I bet if I asked about the jump from BurningCrystal on me after that post, I'd be discredited once more.

[Ranger]

Texcat - (7) Chilledtea, Almost50, xtoxm, kop, kain tepes, davesaz, kuroixhf

If there's scum on here, it's Almost50.

I actually think scum are more inclined to have stayed off the wagon, though.
Like, saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay...

VOTE: acryon.

[Ranger]

I can see there goes the quickwagon.

Agreed. The wagon on you's not great.

However, I remain convinced Burning Crystal is town. Nothing I've seen indicates them being scum, and a lot of their posting still looks like town.

And that's what I think was a scumslip.
It sounds as if you know that I'll flip town.

You're gonna have to explain that to me. I see Titus saying she'll analyze your wagon. That applies regardless of your alignment. If you were to flip scum (you won't, I can tell that much), then the wagon would be useful, especially for finding town. If you were to flip town (you will), then the wagon is still useful, for finding scum in particular.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I'm leaning scum on BC but I'm potentially willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for now. Still not a huge fan of the Adenine wagon.

Ranger, why Acryon?

[Ranger]

Ranger, why Acryon?

Because acryon is being opportunistic-as-hell, pursuing the easiest, most convenient, unoriginal stances. I see little to no original thought, just pressuring the latest fad.

[Almost50]

If there's scum on here, it's Almost50.

This is to make me eat my shoes, right??

OK, your follow up read list would be much appreciated still.

#Anen: I take it back.

[Ranger]

OK, your follow up read list would be much appreciated still.

You

lynched my strongest townread

.
Not much could change my list after

that

.

{Xtoxm, chilledtea, Mad King Ashnard, Aneninen}
{Burning Crystal, KainTepes}
{davesaz, Kop}
{Almost50}
{acryon}

[Almost50]

Well, I guess it's going to happen again if you (and your strongest reads) don't start making clear cases. If there's anything I could read through your lists it's that Kop dropped a notch, so I'm inclined to vote for them right now (bc I did have an initial scum lean on them being in the same team with KT). I could also go for chilled but they're in your top tier still, so I'm giving them one more day to show their "towniness".

VOTE: Kop

[Almost50]

Btw, I could've also gone for KT except they're being voted by chilled themselves. I need REASONS to believe someone is town/scum, and if I don't get any then I most certainly will follow my own gut/reasoning.

[pisskop]

Votecount 2.02

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Aneninen

- (3) acryon, Burning Crystal, kop

Burning Crystal

- (2) Aneninen, Mad King Ashnard

acryon

- (1) Ranger

kaintepes

- (1) chilledtea

Almost50

- (1) Almost50

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Not Voting

- xtoxm, kaintepes, davesaz

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With 11 Alive it takes 6 to Lynch!
Day 02 Deadline is (expired on 2016-03-21 11:30:00).

[Almost50]

@mod: I'm voting for myself???!!!!!!!!!

Dont have to yell . . .

[Burning Crystal]

Btw, I could've also gone for KT except they're being voted by chilled themselves. I need REASONS to believe someone is town/scum, and if I don't get any then I most certainly will follow my own gut/reasoning.

They won't be coming soon, all Aneninen has done is quotewall to make it look like he's more active and involved than he really is.
I can't believe people are following his crappy votes with even worse votes and none of it seems to deserve any attention or notice whatsoever?

Naked votes don't fly outside of RVS, guys, so why don't you try doing something original instead of following scum around like a bunch of brain-dead pidgeons?

VOTE: Aneninen

VOTE: Acryon

My scumread on Kuroi was wrong, so I should probably reevaluate my reads. What I do know is that Anen was right on Texcat being town, so I will lend my support.

~Titus

This post feels wrong........ you have hardly shown any suspicion on acryon so far,, it feels like you are making an excuse to put your vote somewhere??

VOTE: Burning CRYSTAL

i am sorry if i cannot post very good today........ still depressed right now..... but i will try my best....!!

Would you mind elaborating, once you feel better?
I don't see it, personally.

Good finding, KainThraddash!
I bet if I asked about the jump from BurningCrystal on me after that post, I'd be discredited once more.

And I bet that if you posted relevant content instead of a bunch of assumptive statements with no corroborating evidence, people that matter might actually believe you. Unfortunately, this is something you not only seem to not possess, but a concept you appear to not understand.

[chilledtea]

I don't like Ranger's readlist at all. Almost everyone is town according to her, and the two soft-claimed/claimed PR's are the scummy ones for her.

So far she has been suspicious of 1) Kuroi, 2) Almost, 3) Davesaz, 4) Acryon.

3 of the above 4 are claimed PR.

[Ranger]

I don't like Ranger's readlist at all. Almost everyone is town according to her

No duh? That's because almost everyone in this game drew a town PM. How many players in this game are scum? Two? Three? Four? I didn't bother to check the setup, doesn't matter though, because regardless, that still means most players are town. My reads reflect that because in this game, people were

really

good at making themselves obvtown.

So far she has been suspicious of 1) Kuroi, 2) Almost, 3) Davesaz, 4) Acryon.
3 of the above 4 are claimed PR.

First point of clarity, dave is not a scumread, he's a null-read.

Second point: Why can't scum claim to be a PR?

In particular, Almost50's sheeping of me is godawful. 1088 is just the latest post where he, in spite of knowing

I am scumreading him

, puts faith in my reads ANYWAY. It's buddying. It's sheeping. It's hiding behind my reads rather than making his own. I don't care that he claimed a PR. I still think he's scum.

[chilledtea]

I don't like Ranger's readlist at all. Almost everyone is town according to her

No duh? That's because almost everyone in this game drew a town PM. How many players in this game are scum? Two? Three? Four? I didn't bother to check the setup, doesn't matter though, because regardless, that still means most players are town. My reads reflect that because in this game, people were

really

good at making themselves obvtown.

So far she has been suspicious of 1) Kuroi, 2) Almost, 3) Davesaz, 4) Acryon.
3 of the above 4 are claimed PR.

First point of clarity, dave is not a scumread, he's a null-read.

Second point: Why can't scum claim to be a PR?

In particular, Almost50's sheeping of me is godawful. 1088 is just the latest post where he, in spite of knowing

I am scumreading him

, puts faith in my reads ANYWAY. It's buddying. It's sheeping. It's hiding behind my reads rather than making his own. I don't care that he claimed a PR. I still think he's scum.

Why would scum roleclaim midway through day 1 with no pressure whatsoever? An unnecessary gambit. His "fake-claim" actually would be extremely courageous at that point.

[Aneninen]

And that's what I think was a scumslip.
It sounds as if you know that I'll flip town.

You're gonna have to explain that to me. I see Titus saying she'll analyze your wagon. That applies regardless of your alignment. If you were to flip scum (you won't, I can tell that much), then the wagon would be useful, especially for finding town. If you were to flip town (you will), then the wagon is still useful, for finding scum in particular.

Firstly, I don't think they'd have pointed it out that they'd VCA my wagon later if they scumread me for real.
Secondly, their reaction. Check out their 1069 once more. They did NOT care about my post (actually nor my content at all) – that post had one single goal: discrediting me.

#Anen: I take it back.

I don't think Ranger was affected my post as for her reads.
Also, why are you so worried? It's clear that lynching you would be a terrible idea right now. (We'll see later whether your claim is real and if so, you need not worry.)

They won't be coming soon, all Aneninen has done is quotewall to make it look like he's more active and involved than he really is.
I can't believe people are following his crappy votes with even worse votes and none of it seems to deserve any attention or notice whatsoever?

More discrediting. I'm not surprised.
Also, calling everyone voting for you terrible is another scumtell. Firstly, I don't think my posts are the only reasons for voting for you. Secondly, you're totally ignoring the fact that you were wagoned Yesterday.

Naked votes don't fly outside of RVS, guys, so why don't you try doing something original instead of following scum around like a bunch of brain-dead pidgeons?

VOTE: Aneninen

Good. You started insulting me. It works on many players, I know, but no, you won't make me upset. You're attacking the player instead of the posts, which is scummy.
You're acting as if the votes for you had been RVS-es. Palpable misrepresentation of the events.
And one more thing. Repeating the vote. It makes my wagon look bigger than it really is. I know that trick.

Good finding, KainThraddash!
I bet if I asked about the jump from BurningCrystal on me after that post, I'd be discredited once more.

And I bet that if you posted relevant content instead of a bunch of assumptive statements with no corroborating evidence, people that matter might actually believe you. Unfortunately, this is something you not only seem to not possess, but a concept you appear to not understand.

More discrediting. More insults. As if I hadn't posted anything relevant.

Why would scum roleclaim midway through day 1 with no pressure whatsoever? An unnecessary gambit. His "fake-claim" actually would be extremely courageous at that point.

Most of those players claimed because of being pressurized.

[chilledtea]

Why would scum roleclaim midway through day 1 with no pressure whatsoever? An unnecessary gambit. His "fake-claim" actually would be extremely courageous at that point.

Most of those players claimed because of being pressurized.

Ranger is suspicious of almost who claimed without much pressure - or at least created the event of claiming without any pressure. He claimed x-shot PGO if I remember correctly and got MKA to vote for him; this event had no pressure behind it and seems like a very townie think to do, albeit a mistake to assume MKA would be scum for voting him. To put it simply, his reasons that he would die anyway were sound reasons to come out as weak bodyguard. Doesn't look like a fake claim from my perspective unless someone had countered it.

[acryon]

And oh, that "what's up"... trying hard to out the Cop, aren't you?

More like asking him why he is voting Burning Crystal.

Ranger, why Acryon?

Because acryon is being opportunistic-as-hell, pursuing the easiest, most convenient, unoriginal stances. I see little to no original thought, just pressuring the latest fad.

How is being the first person to start the wagon on someone who is fairly widely town-read opportunistic?

Btw, I could've also gone for KT except they're being voted by chilled themselves. I need REASONS to believe someone is town/scum, and if I don't get any then I most certainly will follow my own gut/reasoning.

They won't be coming soon, all Aneninen has done is quotewall to make it look like he's more active and involved than he really is.
I can't believe people are following his crappy votes with even worse votes and none of it seems to deserve any attention or notice whatsoever?

Naked votes don't fly outside of RVS, guys, so why don't you try doing something original instead of following scum around like a bunch of brain-dead pidgeons?

VOTE: Aneninen

Yep.

[pisskop]

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