Mini 1769: Ice Cream Mafia - Game over!

[Thor665]

Ty, that's what I wanted -- That's why I like readlists -- They are compact and exhibit your current stance in a single post, so people don't have to go searching for it, and generally coming to wrong conclusions

There was a lot of doubt about my scum reads?
And as for my town reads - usually those would only matter if they changed, and if they changed I'd either have to explain the change when it happens or, be caught by it later - and if you're constantly asking for updates and I'm scum I'm not going to be caught by surprise that a read changed, I'll have my little running tally to reference.
:shrug:

[Ircher]

olol, Mod totally ignored my vote of him

Votes for the mod don't count :p

[Thor665]

Going back and looking - I had only one read substantively change, the BBT one, and I made it very clear when that happened.

[Ircher]

I don't want to have to find your reads; aka, they save time in getting a general feel for a player's stance.

[Ircher]

Who'd you lynch if KS scum and if KS town?

[Titus]

If Guy is scum, Archer is likely a partner.

Unvote of Guy near deadline, pushing nothing. Huge red flag.

[GuyFawkes]

If Guy is scum, Archer is likely a partner.

Unvote of Guy near deadline, pushing nothing. Huge red flag.

WTF is archer?

Ircher is scum with keyser. He's just prepping for a late bus

[Titus]

Ircher is Archer. Autocorrect.

[Ircher]

Ircher --> Derived from Archer, so I don't mind too much

[Ircher]

If Guy is scum, Archer is likely a partner.

Unvote of Guy near deadline, pushing nothing. Huge red flag.

So, you're saying the scum team is Keyser, Ircher, and Guy? That doesn't sound right....

[Titus]

No. I am not saying anyone is scum.

I am saying if Guy is you are too. That is all.

[Titus]

If Guy is scum, Archer is likely a partner.

Unvote of Guy near deadline, pushing nothing. Huge red flag.

WTF is archer?

Ircher is scum with keyser. He's just prepping for a late bus

If we had all the time in the world, would you go for an Ircher wagon?

[GuyFawkes]

If Guy is scum, Archer is likely a partner.

Unvote of Guy near deadline, pushing nothing. Huge red flag.

WTF is archer?

Ircher is scum with keyser. He's just prepping for a late bus

If we had all the time in the world, would you go for an Ircher wagon?

yup

[Aquanim]

@massive

:

...
BBT is easy to sort once he starts posting. Activity is not alignment-indicative, no matter what anyone says, so why are you trying to push it as such? If you're trying to sell scum-BBT because of a throwaway magical townread, why isn't Ircher getting the same attention?

Well, he's started posting - what is your read on him?
...

[Aquanim]

@Titus, Guy

: Do you have a reason to think Ircher is mafia which is not based on association?

[GuyFawkes]

@Titus, Guy

: Do you have a reason to think Ircher is mafia which is not based on association?

Is there any reason to believe he is town?

[Aquanim]

@Titus, Guy

: Do you have a reason to think Ircher is mafia which is not based on association?

Is there any reason to believe he is town?

I agree with many of the things he's said and (more importantly) I think that he believes them. So yes, I have reason to think Ircher is town.

You are dodging the question.

[Ircher]

Spoiler: Mini 1769 - D1 #5

1. Kein gives reasons for his scumreads of Aqua and TTH in 979 -

I would like some posts supporting your reads, aka evidence. Not neccessarily saying they're wrong, just saying I don't get those vibes.

2. In 998 Keyser overreacts to Thor's error in 991 (as he later corrects in 993 -

This is the first post from Keyser that really makes me think scummy/opportunistic. I still believe in Keyser-town as Thor & Keyser are probably TvTing, but I don't like how Keyser, even after Thor explains his error, assumes Thor made the error on purpose.

3. Titus basically plans to lurk then hammer when he gets the chance as indicated by 1022 because he replaced two days before deadline & thinks he cannot catchup/get the votes on time. -

Excuses, excuses, excuses! If you tried to catch up when you replaced in, then you'd be caught up by now.

4. Let's look at 1008, the mod's VC. Here, we have two major wagons: Keyser (Thor, Guy, BBT, Boon) and Guy (Keyser, Ircher, TTH, pops). Titus, Massive, Kein, Aqua, and Slandar are voting elsewhere. -

VCA: Prob. 1 scum out of each group - Thor,

Guy

, BBT,

Boon

; Keyser, Ircher,

TTH

,

Pops

;

Titus

,

Massive

, Kein, Aqua, Slandar

5. Boon suggests that Keyser is misrepping Thor -

I think they're both misrepping each other & generally not considering each other's thoughts. I would actually take it as TvT tbh.

This was shorter than expected.

Right now:

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
OceanWind/Ircher  (100%) - Role PM
Kein (99%) - Soft-claimed PR; nuff said.

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)
Keyser (96%) - Not much has changed here. If anything, I am expressing a very slight paranoia of this slot.
Thor (92%) - TvT with Keyser. Seems to be actively trying to help town, even if he is aggravating while doing so. Might also be exhibiting some anti-town/bad townplay, but it is also possible that that is a biased view based off my read of Keyser.
BBT (89%) - Original read mainly based off his lack of effort in the game & opportunistic vibe. Beginning to think he may have just been busy then, as his catchup has a much more towny vibe to it.

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
Aqua (83%) - Lately has not ben contributing much, but overall, I like the way he views things. His posts seem thought out and not opportunistic.
TTH (75%) - Haven't seen enough from here lately, but again, seeing active gameplay that is trying to help town & also scumhunting. Unlike some of us, he also seems to exhibit a more outsider view on things, so it is easier to believe that what he thinks is truly based on facts. VCA would weaken this read somewhat, but I'll stick with town for now.
Slandaar (60%) - Active and shares rationale thought.

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
Phoenix/Boon (-40%) - VCA suggests he may be scum. I would give this slot anotjer day; Phoenix was meh, and Boon hasn't done anything that really sticks out to me.
Pops (-45%) - Mainly has to do with my VCA - he seems to be the one who is most likely scum on the Guy wagon. Also, he doesn't seem to be doing a lot of scumhunting, but he's better than some people.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)
Massive (-65%) - Lurktastic per usual. Would like to know what this slot's thoughts are currently, aside from myself & Keyser.

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)
Masq/GuyFawkes (-83%) - Sparse ISO, hasn't contributed much of value. Masq was meh though slightly leaning towards the scum side of stuff. VCA also suggests that he is very likely scum.
Mn/Titus (-85%) - Apathetic to who to lynch, has yet to catch up, and overall, while I was starting townread the mn slot, his replace in has completely flipped my read of that slot. He's also not on either wagon; VCA suggests there's two on the major wagons & 1 off; he's very likely the one off.

Let's lynch Guy today.
VOTE: GuyFawkes

[Aquanim]

Thor's in the mn slot. Titus is in Golden Robster's slot.

[Ircher]

Spoiler: Mini 1769 - D1 #5

1. Kein gives reasons for his scumreads of Aqua and TTH in 979 -

I would like some posts supporting your reads, aka evidence. Not neccessarily saying they're wrong, just saying I don't get those vibes.

2. In 998 Keyser overreacts to Thor's error in 991 (as he later corrects in 993 -

This is the first post from Keyser that really makes me think scummy/opportunistic. I still believe in Keyser-town as Thor & Keyser are probably TvTing, but I don't like how Keyser, even after Thor explains his error, assumes Thor made the error on purpose.

3. Titus basically plans to lurk then hammer when he gets the chance as indicated by 1022 because he replaced two days before deadline & thinks he cannot catchup/get the votes on time. -

Excuses, excuses, excuses! If you tried to catch up when you replaced in, then you'd be caught up by now.

4. Let's look at 1008, the mod's VC. Here, we have two major wagons: Keyser (Thor, Guy, BBT, Boon) and Guy (Keyser, Ircher, TTH, pops). Titus, Massive, Kein, Aqua, and Slandar are voting elsewhere. -

VCA: Prob. 1 scum out of each group - Thor,

Guy

, BBT,

Boon

; Keyser, Ircher,

TTH

,

Pops

;

Titus

,

Massive

, Kein, Aqua, Slandar

5. Boon suggests that Keyser is misrepping Thor -

I think they're both misrepping each other & generally not considering each other's thoughts. I would actually take it as TvT tbh.

This was shorter than expected.

Right now:

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
OceanWind/Ircher  (100%) - Role PM
Kein (99%) - Soft-claimed PR; nuff said.

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)
Keyser (96%) - Not much has changed here. If anything, I am expressing a very slight paranoia of this slot.
Mn/Thor (92%) - TvT with Keyser. Seems to be actively trying to help town, even if he is aggravating while doing so. Might also be exhibiting some anti-town/bad townplay, but it is also possible that that is a biased view based off my read of Keyser. Mn was okay, and I was starting to townread him
BBT (89%) - Original read mainly based off his lack of effort in the game & opportunistic vibe. Beginning to think he may have just been busy then, as his catchup has a much more towny vibe to it.

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
Aqua (83%) - Lately has not ben contributing much, but overall, I like the way he views things. His posts seem thought out and not opportunistic.
TTH (75%) - Haven't seen enough from here lately, but again, seeing active gameplay that is trying to help town & also scumhunting. Unlike some of us, he also seems to exhibit a more outsider view on things, so it is easier to believe that what he thinks is truly based on facts. VCA would weaken this read somewhat, but I'll stick with town for now.
Slandaar (60%) - Active and shares rationale thought.

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
Phoenix/Boon (-40%) - VCA suggests he may be scum. I would give this slot anotjer day; Phoenix was meh, and Boon hasn't done anything that really sticks out to me.
Pops (-45%) - Mainly has to do with my VCA - he seems to be the one who is most likely scum on the Guy wagon. Also, he doesn't seem to be doing a lot of scumhunting, but he's better than some people.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)
Massive (-65%) - Lurktastic per usual. Would like to know what this slot's thoughts are currently, aside from myself & Keyser.

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)
Masq/GuyFawkes (-83%) - Sparse ISO, hasn't contributed much of value. Masq was meh though slightly leaning towards the scum side of stuff. VCA also suggests that he is very likely scum.
Gr/Titus (-85%) - Apathetic to who to lynch, has yet to catch up, and overall, while I was starting townread the GR (that didn't change, that was the same for both actually) slot, his replace in has completely flipped my read of that slot. He's also not on either wagon; VCA suggests there's two on the major wagons & 1 off; he's very likely the one off.

Let's lynch Guy today.
VOTE: GuyFawkes

EBWOP
@Aqua - Whoops, thanks! Didn't really change much though

[Ircher]

If Guy is scum, Archer is likely a partner.

Unvote of Guy near deadline, pushing nothing. Huge red flag.

WTF is archer?

Ircher is scum with keyser. He's just prepping for a late bus

If we had all the time in the world, would you go for an Ircher wagon?

yup

Yes, pls explain

[GuyFawkes]

If Guy is scum, Archer is likely a partner.

Unvote of Guy near deadline, pushing nothing. Huge red flag.

WTF is archer?

Ircher is scum with keyser. He's just prepping for a late bus

If we had all the time in the world, would you go for an Ircher wagon?

yup

Yes, pls explain

Seems pretty self explanatory

[Ircher]

Your still avoiding the question

Why am I scum aside from the associative cases?

[Ircher]

@Aqua

- If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could I have a readlist, so I know where everyone is currently standing?

Actually, I want one from everyone who hasn't provided one in the last 2 days,p,

[Titus]

@Aqua

- If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could I have a readlist, so I know where everyone is currently standing?

Actually, I want one from everyone who hasn't provided one in the last 2 days,p,

Nah, it's pretty clear why I suspect you're scum if Guy is.

I am not reading up unless I have to, meaning 6 6 split.