Mini 1769: Ice Cream Mafia - Game over!

[GuyFawkes]

KainTepes is like performance art and I think its fantastic. he could be scum but I see no need to worry about him yet. I think it's more likely scum is pushing his lynch

[GuyFawkes]

Keyser -- remind me again, why you have a bucketful of indicators towards scum-Kain, but aren't going to vote him?

this

VOTE: keyser soze

[GuyFawkes]

We are going to just waste the day away if all anybody does is argue about kain tapes

[GuyFawkes]

I think anyone young enough to expect that plan to work doesn't have internet access yet.

Then give me another plausible explanation of why Kain made that post.

Do you think Kain is legit or is it some sort of gimmick alt?

[GuyFawkes]

I think anyone young enough to expect that plan to work doesn't have internet access yet.

Then give me another plausible explanation of why Kain made that post.

Do you think Kain is legit or is it some sort of gimmick alt?

I'm not sure.

No matter whether he is legit or not

, I don't think anybody makes that post if they haven't read the thread, I don't see a reason why a townie would make that post and lie, and I do see a reason why a scum would.

It's the kind of thing somebody says after they read the thread and are frusturated it's not meeting their expectations, not something that just gets said out of the blue. If he's town, why does he care that nobody's talking about him anyway?

you know the answer already

I don't see any reason for town-Kain to post #206,

short of him deliberately trolling us

.

If Kain hasn't read the thread, why does he feel the need to make the claim nobody is talking about him?

[GuyFawkes]

If I started deciding not to lynch people with the rationale of "what if they're

a townie consciously trying to throw

" I'd never lynch anybody.

Maybe I'm giving him too much credit but I don't think that's the case here.

[GuyFawkes]

If you don't, you must have some explanation for how he's a townie and not deliberately throwing... so let's hear it.

I'm not convinced he's town but I'm not convinced he's scum either. I AM convinced that he's not a VI and there's gotta be some method to his madness. So I'd rather look elsewhere for somebody to lynch

[GuyFawkes]

Make #206 make sense to me as a post by a townie who isn't deliberately trying to screw over the game.

I don't care about reasons it was bad for him to do it as scum, I care about a reason why he *would* do it as town.

I'm waiting.

because its part of his gimmick... why are you taking that post so serious yet ignoring other posts like where he voted for the freaking mod?

[GuyFawkes]

Make #206 make sense to me as a post by a townie who isn't deliberately trying to screw over the game.

I don't care about reasons it was bad for him to do it as scum, I care about a reason why he *would* do it as town.

I'm waiting.

because its part of his gimmick... why are you taking that post so serious yet ignoring other posts like where he voted for the freaking mod?

Kain voting for the mod was just screwing around. Not alignment indicative.

Trying to dodge talking about the votes and arguments against him by lying and pretending he hasn't read the thread is not just screwing around.

you are just missing the joke in 206

"WHY ISNO ONE TALKING ABOUT ME...." when people WERE talking about him.

[GuyFawkes]

we just aren't going to agree on this and I've already spent way more time on this than I ever wanted too so I'm moving on to something else

[GuyFawkes]

prod received

GalFawkes had me occupied most of the weekend. My apologies

[GuyFawkes]

Keyser, do you remember coming up with an "orgy of evidence" against Kain Tepes? or calling him the easiest lynch you've ever seen? and stating that he will be today's lynch?

'cause if that's how you talk about your null reads I can't wait to see what you say about scum

[GuyFawkes]

GuyFawkes, where do you think SCUM are on my wagon if you think scum is on my WAGON,, answer this question please,,

I said scum were pushing your lynch and I think keyser is that scum

[GuyFawkes]

Spoiler: Mini 1769 - Day 1 Thoughts #2

1. Boon claims Massive always contributes...

10 or so contentless posts...

every game in 631.

The problem is not the lurking, it's the lack of anything substandial in his posts. I saw his scum play in that last game.... His posts actually did have some content to them, but I have to agree about the meta of barely posting.

2. In 632, Boon claims I may be town-tunneling Keyser -

That is definitely a possibility, but I really do feel pretty strong in my townread of Keyser. His wagon seems to be the results of poor reasoning, albeit that might be true of all the current wagons. I will try to keep that in mind.

3. Aqua wants to know why people townread Kein in post 642 -

I already told you why -- He soft-claimed early.

PS: I don't think this lynch will happen; sh!!!

Also, Kein is being Kein. I have learned that meta is actually pretty important when reading players... when I first came here, I was like "Meta doesn't matter....", but that's not true as everyone plays different. Also, the wa a player plays & the way people respond to them tells a lot about their meta -- I haven't read a single game of another user, but I am able to discern the meta of a player fairly quickly. Some people would be harder to read meta-wise though.

4. Keyser does an ISO of BBT in 643 -

I've already expressed that I felt BBT's push/"case" against Keyser was rather weak, opportunistic, and scum-motivated. This ISO reinforces such a read and also identifies a ton of holes in BBT's Keyser'=Scum case.

5. Addressing some points in 646 -

1) Why is the thread review a problem - While I replaced in, and therefore, yesterday was my first opportunity to review the thread, BBT has been in the game since the start, yet by the sound of 1 of his posts, it seemed like he wasn't reading the thread at all. 2) I feel the tunnel by BBT is not only pathetic, but opportunistic and scum-motivated; BBT seems to be pushing a not-well supported, holey case on a slot that a lot of people express mild annoyance/scumreads of.

6. Keyser claims Thor is running people to L-1 without providing his own thoughts in 648. Thor responds with 649 with details on why some of the things Keyser said in 648 are untrue or inaccurate. -

I actually like both for town. Keyser provides a pretty good post explaining his read of Thor, and actually supports it fairly decent. (Actually, it wasn't just the L-1 shenanigans that led to a scumread of Thor -- Masq played a role as does the fact that Thor almost immediately suggests it after replacing in. Thor then points out an inaccuracy in Keyser's post which I like cuz again, he is supporting his claim. In this case, I don't think Keyser was intentionally trying to misrep Thor by stating he didn't provide any thought, I think it has to do with tunnelling & confirmaion bias between the two.

7. To Massive in 650 -

Didn't I explain why? I wanted to know your reads and thoughts which you had yet to share.

8. Pops says something about a scummy replace out in 651 -

I have no idea who you're referring to.

9. Thor states he only encourages deadline lynches as scum in 664. -

I don't have a scum meta yet, but I'm the exact opposite! I actively encourage deadline lynches that way we get as much out of our time as possible.

10.

Good, I'm not the only one who thinks 668 about Keyser. Prove the fundamental argument that Keyser is empty posting, and I will seriously consider joining the wagon. Til then, I think I'm sticking to a BBT wagon.

11. @681 -- I'm OceanWind's replacement. This isn't italics as it's 100% objective.

12. Massive says I'm not catching up in 699 -

Can you freaking read? Show me where I haven't caught up; 5 pages I haven't read cuz of RL that sprung up in the last 24 hrs is def. not alignment-indicative. Still, I think I'd be happy with a neutral to townlean read on you.

13. Keeping 716 in mind.

Ok, my inquiry on Massive is done. I'm getting town vibes there. I think I can upgrade TTH to a townlean and pops is still neutral/scum. I am reconsidering my stance on Thor as Thor vs. Keyser may be TvT (such fights have a habit of being that)

With that said, I still scumread BBT.
VOTE: BBT

Sheep me -- I'm actually providing reasons for my views

meh, I don't think your case on BBT is worth sheeping

[GuyFawkes]

Keysor, I am feeling lazy.

Who is scum?

why ask keyser as opposed to anybody else?

[GuyFawkes]

BBT is scum

can you summarize your oh so compelling case for me?

[GuyFawkes]

Really, I've already explained it. ISO me and expand the spoilers if you cant tell.

I did. It was unimpressive.

It's *at least* as good as the Keyser case.

It's at least as good as the case against your 97% town read?

[GuyFawkes]

Thor665, what's your read on GuyFawkes-Masquerade?


@everyone - show me town/null-GuyFawkes-Masquerade.

If I were scum, who do you think would be my partners?

[GuyFawkes]

I could see a keyser/ircher scum team. I'm fine with lynching either one

[GuyFawkes]

you guys haven't lynched keyser yet?

[GuyFawkes]

I want to hear people's thoughts on Massive. I am not liking how the slot thinks that I am scum when that is 100% pre-flip assoc.

@BBT I like your catchup. It looks a lot better than the other half of your posts. But do me a favor & read those spoilers. That tells you a lot aboyt my current status.

I think I'd be more ok with Massive lynch now, I must admit I am quite impressed with his catchup. Maybe he really didn't have time for the thread, idk. Def. mot same vibe as his earlier posts
VOTE: Massive

Ircher, what did you like about BBT's catchup?

[GuyFawkes]

If Guy is scum, Archer is likely a partner.

Unvote of Guy near deadline, pushing nothing. Huge red flag.

WTF is archer?

Ircher is scum with keyser. He's just prepping for a late bus

[GuyFawkes]

If Guy is scum, Archer is likely a partner.

Unvote of Guy near deadline, pushing nothing. Huge red flag.

WTF is archer?

Ircher is scum with keyser. He's just prepping for a late bus

If we had all the time in the world, would you go for an Ircher wagon?

yup

[GuyFawkes]

@Titus, Guy

: Do you have a reason to think Ircher is mafia which is not based on association?

Is there any reason to believe he is town?

[GuyFawkes]

If Guy is scum, Archer is likely a partner.

Unvote of Guy near deadline, pushing nothing. Huge red flag.

WTF is archer?

Ircher is scum with keyser. He's just prepping for a late bus

If we had all the time in the world, would you go for an Ircher wagon?

yup

Yes, pls explain

Seems pretty self explanatory

[GuyFawkes]

That's an associative case. Why would you lynch me before Guy?

the fact that you are so stuck on "associative cases" is scummy

[GuyFawkes]

...

@GuyFawkes

: Do you have a reason to think Ircher is mafia which is not based on association?

its a gut feeling

[GuyFawkes]

Titus, what makes you think I'm a mason?

[GuyFawkes]

Ok

Do you think there is a chance of an Ircher lynch this late in the day?

[GuyFawkes]

Guy has about 10 minutes to make a direct claim; else this is where my vote is staying.

i'll pass, thanks

[GuyFawkes]

VOTE: ircher

[GuyFawkes]

I'm fudgie the whale, town mason with cookie puss

[GuyFawkes]

I kid of course, I'm actually just plain ol' vanilla ice cream

[GuyFawkes]

I'm fudgie the whale, town mason with cookie puss

Yup, looked like BS, smelt like BS.

BS gets you killed on mafiascum.

What did I BS?

[GuyFawkes]

@Guy
You're lynched, you might as well claim now

lol, no

[GuyFawkes]

Then I feel pretty confident (-97%) this is a scum lynch.

And I'm 97% sure you aren't reading the thread

[GuyFawkes]

Taking GirlFawkes to see zootopia so I'm afraid my time here is done

Kill/lynch keyser and ircher at some point? Thanks

[GuyFawkes]

Double check the time stamps chief